Official Lance Armstrong Thread: Part 3 (Post-Confession)

[urban attacker]

Lance is an investor of the Austonian and may have a place their.When he sold his water wasting home he spent at least a few nights their.I know this because he made a direct complaint about construction noise that weekend.

 

[blackcat]

His behavioral pathology would say "not ever" based on a normal frame of reference. Unless he got "happy" when he successfully beat the system or a hated opponent. His friends were clearly dispensable.

the inverted comma type "" of "" friends.

"friends". LAnce does not have friends. Just people he can use and fukc^2

 

[blackcat]

the inverted comma type "" of "" friends.

"friends". LAnce does not have friends. Just people he can use and fukc^2

ricky riccio, has friends.

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

Lance, even losing his 60 million day, would have be worth a mint. .

All true. Everything you said. However, I was looking for just exactly what it is that he is worth, and what he actually owns. Anyone know? I'll look for the WSJ article by Reed. Anyone post a link to where DIM hangs out these days?

I recall last year he sold one "dream" house, to buy another "dream" house in Austin. Link to that here. And another.

According to this article, he owns, or as of 2013 owned, homes in Aspen, New York, Hawaii, and Spain as well.

In addition to Mellow Johnny's, I believe he still owns Juan Pelota Cafe in Austin. Does anyone know for sure?

And he likely has millions of dollars socked away. Or this article says so.

Can anyone verify these? Know of any more?

As an aside, I have no problem with people earning a lot of money from hard work and thus living good lives. But this guy earned nearly all of his money from deceit, and cheating others out of a living. That's what aggravates me the most.

 

[blackcat]

try emailing Dim, thru his acct here. And SkyProcyclingFan or SkyCyclingFan... Ask Race Radio for his details, or for the octopus diagram Dim did. It was good work, and would have been time consuming. I am sure Reed and OConnell used it as the basis for more work

 

[DirtyWorks]

Quick question for those in the know. Does anyone have an estimate on Lance's worth? Last I heard it was about $115m.

Also does anyone know how many houses, or houses/condos/dwellings he owns, and roughly what towns they are in? I know of the large home in Austin, and nice one in Aspen, but I think there are others. Does anyone know?

Also, is Lance still the primary owner of Mellow Johnny's? Does he own any other businesses? Or majority partners in similar?

Owning a bike shop is a hobby in the U.S. It's almost impossible to make more than break-even money as a Trek dealer. Someone running the shop should be doing more stuff there that helps it do a little more than break even. In general though, it's not particularly valuable on its own.

IMO, this is going to be a very difficult question to answer beyond DimSpace's work. Please keep us updated on your findings. There's a dimspace account on twitter that seems to be the same guy.

 

[DirtyWorks]

Armstrong says he's planning to meet with CIRC once more to secure a ban reduction. But he also says he's moved on, tuned the page, his career is over. All this sounds a bit contradictory. Can someone clarify?

The answer is it makes perfect sense. If the ban reduction comes, then the story changes. He's working on it. He has to be. He's a champion.

Let's hope for no ban reduction because my estimation is he takes a poorly executed nuclear option if it doesn't.

 

[ralphbert]

Let's hope for no ban reduction because my estimation is he takes a poorly executed nuclear option if it doesn't.

Now that's something to get excited about

 

[Hemassist]

a treasure trove of data both on armstrong and the us national team btwn '91 and '95 (i'm going to pin it up).

indeed for anyone still interested in sorting out the armstrong natural vs a doped one, it is an invaluable prime source. as i said before,THAT question is the only subject left that still excites me about the despicable human being who's apparently possessed an elite athletic body

but was he a world beater ?

i scanned the 54 pages real fast. in addition to some comments by m. index (which seem sound imo), i'd make the following very tentatively:

-armstrong's physical.
his height and weight controversy from the coyle study are well known. in the document, he was measured at 180 cm/ 80 kg in '91 and at 178 cm/ 77 kg in '95. the little fact that was largely unknown or ignored is that his % body fat in '91 was 6.5% and 4.2% in '95. meaning, he was at the absolute healthy limit when weighing 78 kg, thus putting a question mark to his ability to drop kgs much further as we are told by his fans. i do not exclude musculature reduction starting with his '99 streak, but we need his % body fat to properly evaluate the touted weight reduction contribution to w/kg increase without doping

armstrong's blood chemistry
as already noted, having the hg above 16 and hct almost 49% as long ago as '91 is quite suspicious when his base level was said to be low 40s. additionally, and this was never mentioned before as far as i can deduce, his iron chemistry (not just the iron level but ferritin, tibc etc) support the notion that he took epo in the early 90's. to remind, in those days the standard procedure required massive iron supplements (or injections) along with epo injections. this would cause either an overshot in iron levels or a change in iron metabolism. what i saw is the change bordering on the limit values consistent with the epo usage.

also curious was that armstrong's triglycerides and total cholesterol were abnormally high. this would be indicative of either his consistently crappy diet (unlikely) or...a habitual anabolic steroids use (which are know to raise the values). admittedly, it could also be the result of something else or his natural state (which i doubt).

armstrong's aerobic/anaerobic data
vo2 max of 80 in '91 is confirmed as a true elite mark. but the threshold of 75% and the corresponding watts (340-350) was sub par. in another place the testers even noted that he would need about 400 watts to compete at his level in the itts. they called it an area to develop. perhaps. but the often reported numbers of 450+ watts in the tours are clearly above the training effects (appr 10%) for improving the threshold. massive blood doping would have been required.

the testers also noted his remarkably low lactic acid accumulation and the unusual ability to perform at simulated altitude (related to his unique hg saturation). these could be his true, natural attributes.

there was some other less than remarkable data, including his sub par explosive and anaerobic scores. i also noted that the famous cadence increase was not supported by the pedaling efficiency tests.

overall, more data to both to consider him an elite but not necessarily the world smasher he turned to be.

Good analysis. The high triglycerides/cholesterol might also tie in the with the higher HCT. Depending on what dosage and stack he was using, it could counter the idea that in 1991 he was using EPO. If he was also using a serious amount of roids back then, he was likely hurting his own performance due to water weight (combined with corticosteroids you get his puffy WC look).

Ferrari probably cut his doses of roids (he was known for loving andriol back then-"Ferrari beans") which was key to getting Lance to perform well. Combined with EPO and careful timing of roids vs corts, you have a stage winner. Still can't explain the tour winner though, I still say the UCI had a role in that.

 

[thehog]

Good analysis. The high triglycerides/cholesterol might also tie in the with the higher HCT. Depending on what dosage and stack he was using, it could counter the idea that in 1991 he was using EPO. If he was also using a serious amount of roids back then, he was likely hurting his own performance due to water weight (combined with corticosteroids you get his puffy WC look).

Ferrari probably cut his doses of roids (he was known for loving andriol back then-"Ferrari beans") which was key to getting Lance to perform well. Combined with EPO and careful timing of roids vs corts, you have a stage winner. Still can't explain the tour winner though, I still say the UCI had a role in that.

The Lance Effect, must count for something?

 

[mewmewmew13]

Owning a bike shop is a hobby in the U.S. It's almost impossible to make more than break-even money as a Trek dealer. Someone running the shop should be doing more stuff there that helps it do a little more than break even. In general though, it's not particularly valuable on its own.

IMO, this is going to be a very difficult question to answer beyond DimSpace's work. Please keep us updated on your findings. There's a dimspace account on twitter that seems to be the same guy.

yes that is dim
his graphics and research are unparalleled
(he also is present on velorooms.com except I'm not supposed to say that here )


as per Lance's net worth I would think he has so many assets in others' names as well as in murky places. one would never know..

 

[mewmewmew13]

The answer is it makes perfect sense. If the ban reduction comes, then the story changes. He's working on it. He has to be. He's a champion.

Let's hope for no ban reduction because my estimation is he takes a poorly executed nuclear option if it doesn't.

That is definitely what I am waiting for...along with all the other 'haters'
scorched earth

 

[Race Radio]

Hmmmm, guess this article on Harvard Business School had some validity

http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2012-07-16/do-business-schools-incubate-criminals-

 

[blackcat]

could be a conversation on achieving a GED

 

[python]

Good analysis. The high triglycerides/cholesterol might also tie in the with the higher HCT. Depending on what dosage and stack he was using, it could counter the idea that in 1991 he was using EPO.

it is quite possible, and on balance (the pre-ferrari lack of sophistication, the novelty of the drug etc) may even be more probable... he indeed could have stuffed his face with supra-physiological doses of anabolics rather than injecting epo at that stage. after all, the anabolics are well known to predictably albeit moderately hike haematopoiesis.

....(combined with corticosteroids ...careful timing of roids vs corts

your mention of corticosteroids had opted me to look at the package again...upon my first read i only glanced through the 50+ pages in about 20 minutes.

anyway, i noticed something very curious that to my knowledge has never been brought up to public light.

it turns out that the supposedly brimming with health, this not even 20 youngster, in addition to the old man like lipids loaded blood, had a border line impaired immune system....

specifically, the package contains the records of armstrong's two 1991 WBC counts and the differential. they are separated by 6 months but show a remarkably consistent picture of the border-line/abnormal immune system (abnormally low neutrophils and abnormally high lymphocytes).

the separation by 6 months is IMPORTANT ! it points to a low probability of infection or another acute condition, rather, to to a systematic/systemic/ condition most likely related to the the LONG-TERM abuse of...anabolic steroids AND corticosteroids. Particularly the latter, as corts are well known to suppress the immunity.

i don't want to comment on the touchy subject of his cancer and the suppressed immunity facilitating it (i never did), but the connection of the mentioned drugs abuse to his potentially impaired immunity is highly likely.

and it's documented.

 

[Race Radio]

and it's documented.

And the National Team Doctors and Coaches did nothing. They are either incompetent or part of the program.

Agreed on the possible causes of the raise in Hct but I think that it would be tough to take it from 40 to almost 48 on Test alone.

 

[86TDFWinner]

Anyone who thinks Stephanie McIllvane isn't a sad, pathetic, disgusting POT is mentally bankrupt. She's a fraud, and a liar, and a scam.

I've watched SAN, WOW!!!

 

[MarkvW]

Anyone who thinks Stephanie McIllvane isn't a sad, pathetic, disgusting POS is mentally bankrupt. She's a fraud, and a liar, and a scam.

I've watched SAN, WOW!!!

She probably didn't lie to the grand jury. It's all happened quite awhile ago, and she had quite a bit of pressure on her when she lied.

I think that a lot of us can accept that she isn't the POS you say she is, without becoming mentally bankrupt.

 

[thehog]

Anyone who thinks Stephanie McIllvane isn't a sad, pathetic, disgusting POS is mentally bankrupt. She's a fraud, and a liar, and a scam.

I've watched SAN, WOW!!!

Trapped between her sons illness, the pressure from Armstrong and her employer, I think we can hold a sense of empathy for her plight.

There aren't many winners in her situation. Especially in a country whereby your health insurance comes with employment.

 

[86TDFWinner]

She probably didn't lie to the grand jury. It's all happened quite awhile ago, and she had quite a bit of pressure on her when she lied.

Did you watch the SAN story? they have footage of her LYING IN A COURT OF LAW.......not "probably didn't"...SHE DID.

I think that a lot of us can accept that she isn't the POS you say she is, without becoming mentally bankrupt.

i think alot of us can accept the fact that she's a POT and a liar too, she had a choice, she chose it to protect herself & cover for Wonderboy. Thought nothing of protecting or helping others(LeMond/Betsy/etc.). Then to actually tell Betsy she hopes that she suffers a tragedy? You have to be kidding me to STILL make excuses for her.

 

[86TDFWinner]

Trapped between her sons illness, the pressure from Armstrong and her employer, I think we can hold a sense of empathy for her plight.

She didn't seem to mind that though when she was assisting Wonderboy in covering it all up right? Can't have it both ways, sorry. She's a sad, pathetic POT, and a liar. No excuses will change that.

There aren't many winners in her situation. Especially in a country whereby your health insurance comes with employment.

She should've thought about that before she decided to hitch her wagon to Wonderboy. See my response above for the rest. She actually wished harm or tragedy on another person......who does that? A sociopath, and psychopath, and most of all: A LIAR.

 

[Race Radio]

She actually wished harm or tragedy on another person.

This was very disturbing. Some would like to excuse her actions due to the very real pressures of having an autistic son. Personally I would think that someone under such adversity would not wish the same on others.

I also hope that one day you have adversity in your life, and you have some type of tragedy

You're trying to destroy one person's life.

Odd. Stephanie had no problem watching lance destroy Betsy, Frankie, Mike Anderson, and many more......but when Betsy refused to lie under oath Stephanie calls her to tell her she hopes she gets a baseball bat broken over her head.

 

[86TDFWinner]

This was very disturbing. Some would like to excuse her actions due to the very real pressures of having an autistic son. Personally I would think that someone under such adversity would not wish the same on others.

Exactly!! But yet, there are STILL folks who "feel empathy for her".

Yet, she showed no "empathy" herself for anyone that got in Wonderboys way.

Odd. Stephanie had no problem watching lance destroy Betsy, Frankie, Mike Anderson, and many more......but when Betsy refused to lie under oath Stephanie calls her to tell her she hopes she gets a baseball bat broken over her head.

Exactly X1,000,000

Hypocrite she is as well? definitely.

Is she still working for Jokely?

 

[thehog]

She didn't seem to mind that though when she was assisting Wonderboy in covering it all up right? Can't have it both ways, sorry. She's a sad, pathetic POS, and a liar.

She should've thought about that before she decided to hitch her wagon to Wonderboy. See my response above for the rest. She actually wished harm or tragedy on another person......who does that? A sociopath, and psychopath, and most of all: A LIAR.

So your expectation is that she stood alone against Armstrong? You would have done the same?

She wished no harm on anybody, she inarticulacy tried to explain that no one could understand the pain that she was in. Which is understandable. Even when Floyd dropped the bombshell it took a good 8-12 months for the tide to turn.

You expected a moher with autistic son to do that?

Sometimes you guys go a little bit too far.

 

[mewmewmew13]

So your expectation is that she stood alone against Armstrong? You would have done the same?

She wished no harm on anybody, she inarticulacy tried to explain that no one could understand the pain that she was in. Which is understandable. Even when Floyd dropped the bombshell it took a good 8-12 months for the tide to turn.

You expected a moher with autistic son to do that?

Sometimes you guys go a little bit too far.

You are using her having an autistic son as an excuse for her threatening physical assault on someone.
That does not wash...any more than Armstrong having cancer should be an excuse for him to cheat and bully and intimidate.