Official Lance Armstrong Thread: Part 3 (Post-Confession)

[ChewbaccaD]

Lance would likely get hit exactly the same whether he was a ringleader or a follower. He'd get laughed at the moment he tried to argue that he was a mere follower, anyway.

I have no idea what Lance's defense is going to be. He's floated two ideas: (1) despite the doping, I gave USPS value, and (2) everybody was doing it and USPS knew or should have known that everybody was doing it (therefore the statute of limitations has run). I think the court has already signaled that (1) is not going to work, so all that's left is (2).

If this thing were to go to trial (i.e., get past summary judgment), I would assume that the feds would call all as many of the USPS dopers as witnesses as they can, because they want to prove the massive manner in which the USPS team violated the promotional contract. Any moderately experienced and intelligent lawyer is going to realize this and want to depose those USPS dopers so that he can know what the witnesses will say before they are presented as witnesses for trial. It is just plain good lawyering to depose people you think the other side might call (that means Frankie).

Fair point. Not being in any way experienced with trial work, discovery, or the like, I am certainly at a disadvantage for knowledge on such things.

ChewbaccaD makes a fair point that Lance's lawyers are going for too much because they are trying to invade the marital communications privilege--and it will cost Frankie lawyer money to fight that attempt. I can't see the point for Lance's move to get the private marital communications, other than to mess with Frankie by making him spend money. Lance is a complete jerk--news at eleven.

Unfortunately, it doesn't end with just that. They are asking for wide-ranging communications with people who have absolutely no connection to USPS or Tailwind. I do realize the standard for discoverable material is wide, but some of what they're asking for is marginally relevant, and seems to me to suggest Lance is abusing them for no good reason. Protective Order maybe?

EDIT: Thinking it through, I can see plausible reasons for some of the stuff, but everyone knows that this will almost certainly never get to court, and I think there is certainly some cause to believe that there is a significant component of spite in it.

 

[sittingbison]

I'm not up to speed with the intricacies of the case, but it seems to beg the question...has every other ex-USPS rider also been subpoenaed? Or only Frankie?? Surely this would shed some light on Lance being a total tosspot yet again (despite his protestations yesterday he wished the "person" could be a better man)

 

[thehog]

I'm not up to speed with the intricacies of the case, but it seems to beg the question...has every other ex-USPS rider also been subpoenaed? Or only Frankie?? Surely this would shed some light on Lance being a total tosspot yet again (despite his protestations yesterday he wished the "person" could be a better man)

In most US states it's your right to depo whom ever you feel necessary. It's a very important part of the civil process. Most cases don't go to hearing based on depos as it asserts the strength of the case and or the settlement amounts.

It's really not jerking a chain, way better than going to actual court. You just turn up to an office with your lawyer and answer the questions from another lawyer. Your lawyer cannot school you during the interview but can object to a question etc. if they are not within the subject matter.

In essence it's a perfect opportunity to put statements on record rather than through other outlets like the media.

Its 2 hours off work and the cost of a lawyer for 4 hours. Hardly an expense. You don't even need a lawyer as you can turn up of your own accord.

To your question, no doubt all USPS riders will be asked to provide statements in depositions. The USADA version probably are not the whole truth only a subsection of the truth.

 

[ChewbaccaD]

I'm not up to speed with the intricacies of the case, but it seems to beg the question...has every other ex-USPS rider also been subpoenaed? Or only Frankie?? Surely this would shed some light on Lance being a total tosspot yet again (despite his protestations yesterday he wished the "person" could be a better man)

In most US states it's your right to depo whom ever you feel necessary. It's a very important part of the civil process. Most cases don't go to hearing based on depos as it asserts the strength of the case and or the settlement amounts.

It's really not jerking a chain, way better than going to actual court. You just turn up to an office with your lawyer and answer the questions from another lawyer. Your lawyer cannot school you during the interview but can object to a questions etc. if they are not within the subject matter.

In essence it's a perfect opportunity to put statements on record rather than through other outlets like the media.

Its 2 hours off work and the cost of a lawyer for 4 hours. Hardly an expense. You don't even need a lawyer as you can turn up of your own accord.

To your question, no doubt all USPS riders will be asked to provide statements in depositions. The USADA version probably are not the whole truth only a subsection of the truth.

sitting, this is just more troll bullsh!t from thehog. It's filled with mostly idiocy, with tiny bits of truth. Hey, even a blind squirrel will get a nut sometimes.

 

[thehog]

The subpoenas have gone out.

Armstrong has begun sending out subpoenas to the witnesses whose testimony brought him down, demanding documents and sworn statements as part of his defense against a Justice Department whistleblower lawsuit that could potentially cost Armstrong and his accomplices nearly $100 million.

The subpoena requests documents relating to communication with some of the major players in the Armstrong downfall, including three-time Tour de France champion Greg LeMond and his wife as well as Floyd Landis, the former Armstrong lieutenant who originally filed the False Claims Act whistleblower suit that the Justice Department has joined.

Armstrong and his lawyers also want to know about communication that Andreu had with Food and Drug Administration criminal investigator Jeff Novitzky, who led the federal probe in 2010 and 2011 that unearthed a mountain of evidence that Armstrong's teams were built on banned drugs and illicit blood transfusions.

Keker and Van Nest, the law firm behind the subpoenas, has taken Novitzky on before. While representing Major League Baseball's players union in 2009, the firm won an appellate decision that ruled Novitzky had improperly seized drug testing results in a search related to the BALCO doping ring.

 

[StyrbjornSterki]

7..................

This snap would be much more apropos if someone would photoshop out six of those fingers.

 

[D-Queued]

This snap would be much more apropos if someone would photoshop out six of those fingers.

Took me a second or two, but perhaps even more effective if someone would photoshop out five of those fingers?

Dave.

 

[blackcat]

Took me a second or two, but perhaps even more effective if someone would photoshop out five of those fingers?

Dave.

the two fingers would be more gangster rap than peace or churchillan V
but

never took you for a gangster rap guy D-Q

 

[D-Queued]

the two fingers would be more gangster rap than peace or churchillan V
but

never took you for a gangster rap guy D-Q

I was thinking of the middle fingers. Unlike other parts of his anatomy, he still has two.

Dave.

 

[blackcat]

I was thinking of the middle fingers. Unlike other parts of his anatomy, he still has two.

Dave.

ok, wrong assumption wrong hand.

the default for Armstrong should be, always assume you get the wrong hand, or hand wrong.

damn, i failed

#logicfallacy

edit: we are talking Prance. should it not be #logic_phallusy(sic)

priapse Lance
Lance priapse
200 000 miles on the engine

no not prius blackcat, that is the toyota hybrid. Prance never drove a hybrid. He test drove many tho

 

[86TDFWinner]

The subpoenas have gone out.

I've said from the very beginning he's going to do whatever it takes to blow through ALL of the $$$ he possibly can, so that when the QUI TAM/SCA cases are over, he'll basically have nothing left.

So now he's decided that not only should he get broke in the process, if he can take down a few more financially, it's a win win for him.

Maybe Frankie's/Greg's/whoever's lawyers can do this or not, but they should also depo/sub Weisel/McIllvain and George Porgey too as a counter measure. Georgey might have to sell his b & b then.

 

[Benotti69]

This is good


http://www.theguardian.com/sport/10...hat-is-lance-armstrong-doing?CMP=share_btn_tw

.......his latest attempt to state his case, rewrite his narrative and rectify his reputation.....

 

[blackcat]

This is good


http://www.theguardian.com/sport/10...hat-is-lance-armstrong-doing?CMP=share_btn_tw

LAnce is merely comprehensively informing his reputation.

completely revealing the person beneath the former veil and the mask.

where media was once gatekeeper for truth, he is now allowed to have his pulpit back in the media, but there is a nod and wink from the commentator and interviewer to the audience and destruction of that fourth wall.

We allow Lance to speak his BS. We wont be fooled again the media have said.

We give him the platform to expose the emperor's sartorial cloak which he wears so well. He is a model citizen for the emperor's clothes.

 

[Oldman]

is not LAnce merely more comprehensively rounding out his reputation?

he is completely revealing the person beneath the veil and the masque.

where media was once gatekeeper for truth, he is now allowed to have his pulpit back in the media, but there is a nod and wink from the commentator and interview to the audience of fourth wall. We allow Lance to speak his BS. We wont be fooled again.

We give him the platform to expose the emperor's clothes sartorial garb which he wears to well. He is a model citizen for the emperor's clothes.

And you also are judged by the company you keep. I love that McQuaid now feels "Lance was...singled out". That kind of endorsement is comedy gold....

 

[blackcat]

And you also are judged by the company you keep. I love that McQuaid now feels "Lance was...singled out". That kind of endorsement is comedy gold....

Lance just managed to alienate the 51% of the population who are not men. Except the women he has slept with and not previously offended:

but I never called her fat.

is this aspergers, tin ear, autism spectrum?

 

[9000ft]

Thank Dog for Lance Armstrong. The clinic would be a much less entertaining place without him. None of the other dopers inspire nearly as much passion and un compromising dogma (except maybe Saint Greg in the opposite way) as Lance Armstrong.

 

[DirtyWorks]

I've said from the very beginning he's going to do whatever it takes to blow through ALL of the $$$ he possibly can, so that when the QUI TAM/SCA cases are over, he'll basically have nothing left.

But, we know he's got some money coming in anyway and we know there are elaborate tax schemes to hide money at his level. I don't think he'll be moving to a double-wide. He might feel like it though, and that's okay!!!

It would be very interesting if he's so blind/dumb that he burns through a big chunk of cash on pure spite. He needs to burn cash anyway as a strategy to declare to the Feds "I'm broke!" if they beat him.

How much he keeps tormenting his enemies is no fun for his enemies though.

 

[thehook]

So all the clowns with the 6 month "suspensions"
Frankie, who doped, made money doping/riding for lance
Floyd, who doped, made money doping/riding, wrote a fiction book $, had a fiction "fund" $

They all get to go into USADA. Basically get NOTHING DONE TO THEM. After they help drop the hammer on Lance ( because he is a @55hole ). They are ****ed off that THERE going to have to answer for THERE character & depositions? C'mon? What did you think you would just ride off into the sunset. You people took a stand ( IMHO; rightfully so ). When YOU choose to take a stand. YOU hold your ground. Not only when it's convenient for YOU.

Maybe when you were chatting with Tygart. Getting Lance Hammered. You could have gotten Tygart to give you representation in future proceedings? You did your victory laps after he (Lance) appeared on Oprah. Now break out your checkbooks and pay your attorneys. Hold your stand!

Just a word on there future Depositions. When Lance's attorneys get there hands on all of the USADA depositions. And they no doubt pick them apart. IF?IF? Lance can beat his case based on some proof/evidence/inconsistencies/lies/half truths/credibilty issues. I would not be shocked to see . Those who may not have told the whole story. Be looking at some serious counter suits. Then they pay big attorney fee's. Could it be that they might be worried about that? Just a thought?

You clowns took your stand. HOLD IT!

 

[DirtyWorks]

So all the clowns with the 6 month "suspensions"
Frankie, who doped, made money doping/riding for lance

Get your facts right.

Frankie admitted to doping on his own terms well before any USADA action and experienced all kinds of depravity from numerous actors in cycling both nationally and internationally.

As for the rest, it's all been said before. Right or wrong is just a matter of personal opinion and we now know yours.

 

[thehook]

Get your facts right.

Frankie admitted to doping on his own terms well before any USADA action and experienced all kinds of depravity from numerous actors in cycling both nationally and internationally.

As for the rest, it's all been said before. Right or wrong is just a matter of personal opinion and we now know yours.

I just re-read my post. I cannot find in it. Where I said Frankie did not admit to doping? After his USADA appearance? Can you show me where that is? Where is the time line difference?

Thanks Clinic Boss!

 

[D-Queued]

I just re-read my post. I cannot find in it. Where I said Frankie did not admit to doping? After his USADA appearance? Can you show me where that is? Where is the time line difference?

Thanks Clinic Boss!

Perhaps you need to read your own post again.

You have lumped Frankie in with everyone else. Your construction is that you are citing Frankie is an example of the rest.

Frankie's case was different, and you should be able to spot the errant construction and inference in your writing.

Dave.

 

[Fausto's Schnauzer]

So all the clowns with the 6 month "suspensions"
Frankie, who doped, made money doping/riding for lance
Floyd, who doped, made money doping/riding, wrote a fiction book $, had a fiction "fund" $

They all get to go into USADA. Basically get NOTHING DONE TO THEM. After they help drop the hammer on Lance ( because he is a @55hole ). They are ****ed off that THERE going to have to answer for THERE character & depositions? C'mon? What did you think you would just ride off into the sunset. You people took a stand ( IMHO; rightfully so ). When YOU choose to take a stand. YOU hold your ground. Not only when it's convenient for YOU.

Maybe when you were chatting with Tygart. Getting Lance Hammered. You could have gotten Tygart to give you representation in future proceedings? You did your victory laps after he (Lance) appeared on Oprah. Now break out your checkbooks and pay your attorneys. Hold your stand!

Just a word on there future Depositions. When Lance's attorneys get there hands on all of the USADA depositions. And they no doubt pick them apart. IF?IF? Lance can beat his case based on some proof/evidence/inconsistencies/lies/half truths/credibilty issues. I would not be shocked to see . Those who may not have told the whole story. Be looking at some serious counter suits. Then they pay big attorney fee's. Could it be that they might be worried about that? Just a thought?

You clowns took your stand. HOLD IT!

 

[Energy Starr]

You posted what I was thinking. Some of these are brutal.

 

[ebandit]

off the hook

So all the clowns with the 6 month "suspensions"

You clowns took your stand. HOLD IT!

poor lance.....................on his 'forgive and forget' tour of the worlds media

................trouble is folk remember

Mark L

 

[mewmewmew13]

who is this thehook?
comfortable in the forum..not too many posts...
aggressively challenging..

Cant' remember offhand what year Frankie spoke out about his doping but it sure as heck was not remotely attached to the USADA RD or any of that group...