Official Lance Armstrong Thread: Part 3 (Post-Confession)

[Aleajactaest]

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One theory that has often been floated is that Lance may not have new or fresh insight beyond what is already included in the comprehensive USADA reasoned decision.

The USADA report is neither comprehensive nor particularly reasoned. It is, however, along with CIRC, all we have. Until they quit screwing around and declare a full amnesty with anonymity in the report, they continue to encourage all the players involved to hedge their bets. Either they really want the truth or they don't. For a lot of reasons, it appears they want to appear as if they do but they don't want/won't ask for/can't handle the truth. All circ did was continue the death of a thousand cuts without actually shedding any new light on who, how much and HOW it was all done.

 

[mrhender]

CN: In an interview Brian Cookson gave to the Telegraph this week he said that he had been asked by CIRC to broker talks between USADA and Lance Armstrong. Is that true?

TT: I haven’t heard anything. I obviously read that but I haven’t seen anything formal. But our position hasn’t changed at all. We’d love for Lance Armstrong to come in and we look forward to the day that happens. Hopefully it will help to move the effort forward for current athletes and for the next generation as well if he decides to come in and be full and truthful with us. We’ll remain hopeful.

CN: Is there a potential carrot for him in terms of a reduction of his lifetime ban?

TT: It’s way too premature to even speculate on that. I think the rules technically allow for it under certain conditions but we’re just hopeful for the overall effort regardless of that question. We remain hopeful, and we’re obviously glad that he talked to CIRC.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/q-and-a-travis-tygart-on-circ-and-the-geert-leinders-case

 

[adker1]

Re: Re:

One theory that has often been floated is that Lance may not have new or fresh insight beyond what is already included in the comprehensive USADA reasoned decision.

The USADA report is neither comprehensive nor particularly reasoned. It is, however, along with CIRC, all we have. Until they quit screwing around and declare a full amnesty with anonymity in the report, they continue to encourage all the players involved to hedge their bets. Either they really want the truth or they don't. For a lot of reasons, it appears they want to appear as if they do but they don't want/won't ask for/can't handle the truth. All circ did was continue the death of a thousand cuts without actually shedding any new light on who, how much and HOW it was all done.

The problem with Amnesty is that they do not have the power to grant it. Yes they can amnesty them from sanctions from within the sport but they cannot amnesty them from public opinion and they cannot control the message.

Lances press conference he controlled the way the information got out, what was shared and what was not and he was still appropriately vilified. Outside of this forum and a few other places most people don't really know the others that have admitted doping so it does not affect their lives, their kids are not hearing about it in schools.

Many of these guys are retired. They get nothing from amnesty from the sport but make it all public, bring it back to the conversation and they have consequences in their lives, and the sport gets dragged through the mud some more.

 

[IzzyStradlin]

Random question:

Why didn't Lance get on the super-skinny train for his comeback. Dude was huge, going up against Contador, Schleck(s), Wiggo, Nibali.

Behind the curve? Or just oblivious?

 

[Beech Mtn]

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Random question:

Why didn't Lance get on the super-skinny train for his comeback. Dude was huge, going up against Contador, Schleck(s), Wiggo, Nibali.

Behind the curve? Or just oblivious?

Very good question. Maybe unwilling to risk cancer with GW90210 or whatever they were using then? Of course he still used plenty of other *** that you'd think a cancer survivor would not.

 

[D-Queued]

Lance wouldn't let USADA attend CIRC interview

To what extent is Lance continuing his deception:

"Knowing Armstrong had agreed to cooperate with CIRC, the United States Anti-Doping Agency asked if it could sit in on the interview but the disgraced rider would not agree to that."

The truth hurts
http://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/sport/cycling/article1531091.ece

More gems:

Hein Verbruggen and Pat McQuaid, failed utterly in their duty to be the guardians of their sport ...

When a sports administrator’s defence is that he is not a criminal, there are probably good reasons for concern...

the independent report was sent to Armstrong’s lawyer Mark Levinstein, who made extensive changes to Vrijman’s document; even the rider’s agent Bill Stapleton was allowed to have an input ...

Cookson said: “Lance Armstrong always has an agenda.” ...

Travis Tygart, chief executive of Usada, believes a reduction of the lifetime ban could only be considered in the event of Armstrong coming forward and telling all that he knows. That would mean going into detail about what his team’s founder, Thom Weisel, knew, and what the team’s other financial backers knew. ...

Dave.

 

[blackcat]

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Random question:

Why didn't Lance get on the super-skinny train for his comeback. Dude was huge, going up against Contador, Schleck(s), Wiggo, Nibali.

Behind the curve? Or just oblivious?

he never rode that way with Ferrari.

and his best times and wattages and power to weight and vertical ascent per hour, were better than Froome or Wigans could hope in their dreams. Even the homo-erotic dreams Wigans would have where he said "i luv u LAnce. I luv u, you have done so much good for the sport, where is April Macy goddamit so we can spitroast u"

 

[DirtyWorks]

Re: He's Baaaaack

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/othersports/cycling/lancearmstrong/11459892/Lance-Armstrong-to-be-given-opportunity-to-plead-his-case-for-reduction-of-lifetime-ban.html

Reposted.

Cookson gets Verbruggen gone if the CIRC doesn't do it and ideally Wonderboy brings the money back to the sport. This is why I'm not in politics. I could not come up with such a brilliant plan.

Literally no one at the UCI is considering what this looks like. Unrepentant doper and sports fraud welcomed back to the sport he poisoned.

Wonderboy must have made some people at the UCI a ton of money.

I just don't think UCI cares very much. Too much time has passed for them to give a crap.

If it were just about Wonderboy, then I agree. But I read that whole report as a Verbruggen hit piece. McQuaid is described as largely a Verbruggen stooge. They cannot fire verbruggen and I'm guessing even now he meddles in the affairs of the UCI.

 

[Benotti69]

Re: He's Baaaaack

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/othersports/cycling/lancearmstrong/11459892/Lance-Armstrong-to-be-given-opportunity-to-plead-his-case-for-reduction-of-lifetime-ban.html

Reposted.

Cookson gets Verbruggen gone if the CIRC doesn't do it and ideally Wonderboy brings the money back to the sport. This is why I'm not in politics. I could not come up with such a brilliant plan.

Literally no one at the UCI is considering what this looks like. Unrepentant doper and sports fraud welcomed back to the sport he poisoned.

Wonderboy must have made some people at the UCI a ton of money.

I just don't think UCI cares very much. Too much time has passed for them to give a crap.

If it were just about Wonderboy, then I agree. But I read that whole report as a Verbruggen hit piece. McQuaid is described as largely a Verbruggen stooge. They cannot fire verbruggen and I'm guessing even now he meddles in the affairs of the UCI.

CIRC was defo a hit at Hein and McQuaid.

 

[D-Queued]

Re: He's Baaaaack

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CIRC was defo a hit at Hein and McQuaid.

And Walsh, at least, appears to believe it scored a direct hit:

From article cited above:

http://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/sport/cycling/article1531091.ece

RELEASED last Monday, the Cycling Independent Reform Commission (CIRC) report into how the integrity of a sport was destroyed by cheating and the cover-up of that cheating serves many useful purposes. Not least, it shows how the most important officials of that era, Hein Verbruggen and Pat McQuaid, failed utterly in their duty to be the guardians of their sport.

Dave.

 

[MarkvW]

In case anybody missed it, the feds refused to sign off on Floyd's proposed settlement with Knaggs and Stapleton--two people whom the feds elected not to join as defendants. This is a complete surprise to me because I didn't see any downside to them for agreeing to settle (I thought it was like found money).

My best guess is that the feds don't want to sign off on a settlement with Knaggs and Stapleton until Knaggs and Stapleton come clean with the truth. If that's true, it might be a sign from the feds to Lance that they're preparing hard for trial.

 

[The Hitch]

Re: Official Lance Armstrong Thread: Part 3 (Post-Confession

WTF does Pharmstrong wanta reduced ban for? Isn't he like almost 50.

 

[staubsauger]

Re: Re:

Random question:

Why didn't Lance get on the super-skinny train for his comeback. Dude was huge, going up against Contador, Schleck(s), Wiggo, Nibali.

Behind the curve? Or just oblivious?

he never rode that way with Ferrari.

and his best times and wattages and power to weight and vertical ascent per hour, were better than Froome or Wigans could hope in their dreams. Even the homo-erotic dreams Wigans would have where he said "i luv u LAnce. I luv u, you have done so much good for the sport, where is April Macy goddamit so we can spitroast u"

He absolutely was on the skinny-train!
Have you ever seen the photos from the final day of the 2010 Tour? When RadioShack had to strip off their Livestrong jerseys? Compared with his former bodyshape Armstrong definitely was pretty lean. He obviously just wasn't an as good responder to AICAR as he had been to EPO before!

 

[Benotti69]

Re: Official Lance Armstrong Thread: Part 3 (Post-Confession

WTF does Pharmstrong wanta reduced ban for? Isn't he like almost 50.

Lance Edward Gunderson, Born; September 18, 1971 (age 43)

Given Armstrong's liking for performance enhancements he will feel he can be competitive even if only to win in masters racing......w@nker

 

[D-Queued]

Re:

In case anybody missed it, the feds refused to sign off on Floyd's proposed settlement with Knaggs and Stapleton--two people whom the feds elected not to join as defendants. This is a complete surprise to me because I didn't see any downside to them for agreeing to settle (I thought it was like found money).

My best guess is that the feds don't want to sign off on a settlement with Knaggs and Stapleton until Knaggs and Stapleton come clean with the truth. If that's true, it might be a sign from the feds to Lance that they're preparing hard for trial.

I missed it. Thanks.

Interestinger and interestinger.

Dave.

 

[DirtyWorks]

Re:

In case anybody missed it, the feds refused to sign off on Floyd's proposed settlement with Knaggs and Stapleton--two people whom the feds elected not to join as defendants. This is a complete surprise to me because I didn't see any downside to them for agreeing to settle (I thought it was like found money).

My best guess is that the feds don't want to sign off on a settlement with Knaggs and Stapleton until Knaggs and Stapleton come clean with the truth. If that's true, it might be a sign from the feds to Lance that they're preparing hard for trial.

Good news. Maybe the brains behind the operation will get the perp walk they so richly deserve.

 

[Semper Fidelis]

Yeah handlebars. Sure they will.

 

[jens_attacks]

can't wait to see him on le tour again, maybe eurosport will air again planet armstrong, would be pretty cool.

hope rides again! _O_

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

On the CN front page is says Cookson wants to stop Armstrong from riding in a TDF charity ride put on by Geoff Thomas, a leukemia survivor who admired Armstrong.

I'm with Cookson. The guy Thomas should seek out is Freddie Hoffman. You guys might remember him as the guy who has ridden well over 1,000,000 miles, much of it on Schwinn touring bikes. Freddy is a rather simple and quiet guy and not the mouth that Armstrong is, but he's also as clean as a whistle and true blue. His mother died of Leukemia and Freddy has done probably more rides for charity than anyone ever. Here's his Wiki entry:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freddie_Hoffman

 

[DBotero]

Re: Official Lance Armstrong Thread: Part 3 (Post-Confession

They can't stop him: "Lance Armstrong can ride his bike around France as often as he likes. It's got nothing to do with me or the UCI," Cookson said.

But for this BS,i hope he'll ride:“I'm sure that Geoff Thomas means well, but frankly, I think that's completely inappropriate and disrespectful to the Tour, disrespectful to the current riders, and disrespectful to the UCI and the anti-doping community,” Cookson said on Tuesday, according to AFP. “I think Lance would be well-advised not to take part in that.”

 

[frenchfry]

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can't wait to see him on le tour again, maybe eurosport will air again planet armstrong, would be pretty cool.

hope rides again! _O_

I have seen 2 articles on this already, and neither has suggested that Armstrong has even been contacted, much less agreed to this. Yet another example of how the buzz trumps reality?

 

[D-Queued]

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can't wait to see him on le tour again, maybe eurosport will air again planet armstrong, would be pretty cool.

hope rides again! _O_

Oooh! I sure hope they bring back the Nike paint bot!



Dave.

 

[D-Queued]

Re: Re:

can't wait to see him on le tour again, maybe eurosport will air again planet armstrong, would be pretty cool.

hope rides again! _O_

I have seen 2 articles on this already, and neither has suggested that Armstrong has even been contacted, much less agreed to this. Yet another example of how the buzz trumps reality?

Thanks FF.

But, with Lance, where there is rumor ...

Maybe he is trying to devalue the Tour so he can make another play to buy it.

Dave.

 

[Beech Mtn]

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can't wait to see him on le tour again, maybe eurosport will air again planet armstrong, would be pretty cool.

hope rides again! _O_

Yeah, I want to see the episode where the "Armstrongs" (sic) crash into a couple of parked cars and then the drunk driver forces his GF to hoof it through the snow on foot in an evening dress and heels to go pretend she was driving. That one's a classic

 

[Benotti69]

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can't wait to see him on le tour again, maybe eurosport will air again planet armstrong, would be pretty cool.

hope rides again! _O_

Yeah, I want to see the episode where the "Armstrongs" (sic) crash into a couple of parked cars and then the drunk driver forces his GF to hoof it through the snow on foot in an evening dress and heels to go pretend she was driving. That one's a classic

or the episode where he is in a bathroom looking for ladies to toss the salad and they say no thanks..........

Heck so many great episodes of planet armstrong