Official Lance Armstrong Thread: Part 3 (Post-Confession)

DirtyWorks · Oct 25, 2015

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DamianoMachiavelli said:
There is no difference. Armstrong's deposition is consistent with Swart's account,

Haha. You mean that one where Swart wasn't so clear on what happened?

DamianoMachiavelli said:
The details are vague.

But you are ABSOLUTELY POSITIVE Frankie was the mastermind...?

And Lance, the guy with no problem perjuring himself, drops a name and suddenly it's all facts falling out of Wonderboy's mouth.

thehog · Oct 25, 2015

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fmk_RoI said:
thehog said:

The movie has bombed much like Walsh's books.

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BFI weekend takings chart for film's opening weekend in the UK:

1 Hotel Transylvania 2 £6,317,438
2 Suffragette £2,938,446
3 Pan £2,738,758
4 The Martian £2,419,958
5 Crimson Peak £967,168
6 Sicario £877,236
7 Legend £449,248
8 The Intern £269,851
9 The Lobster £229,619
10 Everest £218,450
11 Otello - Met Opera 2015 (Opera) £172,773
12 The Maze Runner: Scorch Trials £171,897
13 Macbeth £171,079
14 The Program £144,181
15 The Walk £135,374

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For a Frears flick, that's probably close to par for the course, he's not exactly a popcorn magnet. That said, for the Gruan, it's a flop.

Good to see Shakespare raking in more than Walsh

The problem here The Program will now drop off. It had its opening weekend run, it's not being released in the US so it's fairly much a big old flop.

What did they spend on this movie to make it?

fmk_RoI · Oct 25, 2015

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thehog said:
Good to see Shakespare raking in more than Walsh

Verdi

thehog said:
What did they spend on this movie to make it?

Budget hasn't been revealed yet. Frears is (relatively) low budget. Philomena was abt $12m. Lay the Favorite $25m. Tamara Drewe $10m. Chéri $25m. The Queen $10m. Mrs Henderson Presents $20m. Dirty Pretty Things $10m.

While the film languished in post production through all of 2014 and most of 2015, principal photography was done and dusted in a few weeks in late 2013. I'd be confident in guessing this was below $25m budget. Frears is worth gambling that sort of money on: sure, Lay the Favorite was a tax write off, but look at the winnings on The Queen and Philomena.

TourOfSardinia · Oct 26, 2015

LA is in illustrious company

http://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-34636450

Steve Jobs biopic has failed to impress at the North American box office

thehog · Oct 26, 2015

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TourOfSardinia said:
LA is in illustrious company
http://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-34636450

Steve Jobs biopic has failed to impress at the North American box office

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Its more Walsh than LA. He denounced the movie just as the Jobs family did.

That's what you get for trying to cash in on someone else's fame.

zigmeister · Oct 26, 2015

Why isn't the rest of the dopers from the team named in the Whistle Blower suit Floyd has going with the US Gov? Maybe someone has the legal documents/procedures on what it requires to file a whistle blower suit to begin with. But why not Och, Frankie, Floyd himself?!?! The irony of the entire Floyd Whistle blower government suit is he was a part of it. Yeah, I know, you need a rat, and that is how the government works, right Tygart?

When somebody, who doped illegally and was a culprit as much as Lance, or heck, even a little, to help the team out, is just as culpable. But, you turn on them, like a low level drug dealer, to help get the kingpin...off the hook you get. Danielson blah blah...and all the crew.

Lance's defense should just entirely be that he didn't defraud the US Postal Service, in fact, Lance should file a class action against the USPS on behalf of the US Public who have been giving these idiots at the post office billions of dollars a year to keep their pensions and cushy jobs afloat while they keep raising the price of stamps. That is the real fraud against the American people. Lance was just really getting some of his tax dollars back he paid to help support the Feds all those years.

Benotti69 · Oct 26, 2015

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zigmeister said:
Why isn't the rest of the dopers from the team named in the Whistle Blower suit Floyd has going with the US Gov? Maybe someone has the legal documents/procedures on what it requires to file a whistle blower suit to begin with. But why not Och, Frankie, Floyd himself?!?! The irony of the entire Floyd Whistle blower government suit is he was a part of it. Yeah, I know, you need a rat, and that is how the government works, right Tygart?

When somebody, who doped illegally and was a culprit as much as Lance, or heck, even a little, to help the team out, is just as culpable. But, you turn on them, like a low level drug dealer, to help get the kingpin...off the hook you get. Danielson blah blah...and all the crew.

Lance's defense should just entirely be that he didn't defraud the US Postal Service, in fact, Lance should file a class action against the USPS on behalf of the US Public who have been giving these idiots at the post office billions of dollars a year to keep their pensions and cushy jobs afloat while they keep raising the price of stamps. That is the real fraud against the American people. Lance was just really getting some of his tax dollars back he paid to help support the Feds all those years.

This has been done to death.

QuiTam case is not just Armstrong, but Weisel, Stapleton, Knaggs and Armstrong (et al). All owners of Tailwind Sports PLC, who ran USPS cycling team.

Armstrong long protested he was just another rider on the team. But that lie never got believed. Landis however was just another rider on the team and was not privy to Team deals with sponsors. Heck Landis one year was not even privy to a new bike!!!

Fortyninefourteen · Oct 26, 2015

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zigmeister said:
Why isn't the rest of the dopers from the team named in the Whistle Blower suit Floyd has going with the US Gov? Maybe someone has the legal documents/procedures on what it requires to file a whistle blower suit to begin with. But why not Och, Frankie, Floyd himself?!?! The irony of the entire Floyd Whistle blower government suit is he was a part of it. Yeah, I know, you need a rat, and that is how the government works, right Tygart?

When somebody, who doped illegally and was a culprit as much as Lance, or heck, even a little, to help the team out, is just as culpable. But, you turn on them, like a low level drug dealer, to help get the kingpin...off the hook you get. Danielson blah blah...and all the crew.

Lance's defense should just entirely be that he didn't defraud the US Postal Service, in fact, Lance should file a class action against the USPS on behalf of the US Public who have been giving these idiots at the post office billions of dollars a year to keep their pensions and cushy jobs afloat while they keep raising the price of stamps. That is the real fraud against the American people. Lance was just really getting some of his tax dollars back he paid to help support the Feds all those years.

Just a quick thank you.....I really needed a good laugh this morning.

jens_attacks · Oct 26, 2015

Hamilton book deserved to be on film
For walsh, i can only wish him what he deserves. He knows what he deserves, the crook.

fmk_RoI · Oct 26, 2015

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jens_attacks said:
Hamilton book deserved to be on film
For walsh, i can only wish him what he deserves. He knows what he deserves, the crook.

So some crooks deserve a film deal and some crooks don't?

Maybe in a few years JJ Abrams will go ahead with his adaptation of Juliet Macur's Cycle of Lies. Or maybe that'll just turn into another The Yellow Jersey, stuck forever in development hell.

jens_attacks · Oct 26, 2015

Hamilton suffered on a bike for decades so he has my total respect.

Walsh is just a hyena making money from his sofa.

thehog · Oct 26, 2015

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zigmeister said:
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IzzyStradlin said:

red ink said:

However If making personal comments about his ability to bed younger,legal aged consenting woman is meant to compound the disdain i have to tell you its having the opposite effect on me personally. I am even starting to like him a bit. JV is trying to race a clean team(putting aside the endless conspiracies), maybe another rider he is not an adjoined twin with,will test positive?? Possible No?Could anyone on this thread run a cycling team and guarantee never a positive?

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The big issue that a lot of people here are in-delicately insinuating is that JV asked for a lot of trust. He asks sponsors and to fans trust that he is running a clean team. He claims that he trusts his riders.

Now who in the world would trust TD? His wife(wives) can't. His competitors don't. His teammates don't. NOBODY TRUSTS TD...about anything!!!! Except JV.

JV put his reputation on the line for TD and it completely and totally blew up in his face. Just like everyone said it would.

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Sorry, correction, JV sold slipstream on being clean, because he had an internal testings system costing half a million a year to make sure his riders were clean. JV lied. JV has lied a lot.

JV has no reputation. No one in cycling has a reputation. JV like Armstrong has shown nothing but complete disdain for fans.

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You know how often your posts come off as completely absurd?

Just because they have a testing program, should it be so ridiculously costly to the point that they are taking samples before and after every race/stage of every team member? The costs of testing is around $500-700/per sample using a WADA certified lab and process. So, it would cost them $10K+ for each stage of a race just to test their guys. Heck, even if they only testing after or before the stage, it would run them nearly $5-6K per stage/race???

Yeah...all teams, including Garmin would be broke in no time trying to support that theory. Unless you have a massive amount funds of hundreds in the hundreds of millions you are willing to put up, like universities and an endowment, to take care of testing every single rider every day of their careers to ensure they don't dope.

Guys are allowed to leave/go home, train on their own. It is expected. They don't live on a bus under the noses and surveillance of cameras, managers etc 24/7/365. It is absolutely impossible with manpower and money in the sport to be able to perform what it would really take to ensure 100% cleanliness.

So to continually make this assertion that it is completely possible for a team to have a method in place to catch any and all doping activities of their riders is absurdity at its best as it relates to JV/Garmin.

I guess since you think that is possible though, how about another reality check and deal with stuff on this planet that is really important. Why don't we deal with real social issues and resolve those, since it is so simple in your mind. Homelessness, drunken driving and any and all crime for that matter? That list goes on and on of things that are more important on the planet, than JV/Lance and some guys that dope.

Get a grip.

It's not any shocker that some people like to tear you down. Maybe it makes them feel better. Maybe they're jealous at your Incredible ability and talent you possess as an athlete. No one likes to lose. I'm sure a lot of people were sick of "The American" winning the tour every year. Everyone loves to point the finger at you. Do they forget all the wonderful performances you provided for us all!? They would all like to appear perfect...without flaws. Well guess what, NONE of them could have done what you did in your cycling career. I'll never forget watching you climb Alp D'huez and looking over your shoulder at Jan Ullrich and then taking off! No one had the strength at that moment to attack like you did. There are countless other stories that testify to your strength and ability. The drugs weren't what gave you the passion, motivation, determination and love for the sport. You did that. That's Lance Armstrong. Like any other sport, those who are truly dedicated to the sport use that power to perform at a higher level. Not everyone has it but you do Lance. You're an incredible athlete. One of the best of all time and THE BEST we've ever seen in this sport.

You're also a family man. You love your kids. You love your wife. I admire that. Family is and will always be more important that the sport. You understand that. You want your kids to have a bright future and a father who loves and encourages them to be their best. You're accomplishing that. Your kids know what kind of dad they have. They know you're not perfect and they're okay with that. It's better that way. None of us are perfect.

Lance Armstrong, thank you. Thanks for all the good times. Thanks for your passion for cycling. I started riding because of you. A lot of us cyclists did. In fact, most of us. I wish you the best! You signed a yellow discovery jersey for me when you came to Utah. Thanks for taking the time. It hangs on my wall. I'll never take it down.

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D-Queued · Oct 27, 2015

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thehog said:
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It's not any shocker that some people like to tear you down. Maybe it makes them feel better. Maybe they're jealous at your Incredible ability and talent you possess as an athlete. No one likes to lose. I'm sure a lot of people were sick of "The American" winning the tour every year. Everyone loves to point the finger at you. Do they forget all the wonderful performances you provided for us all!? They would all like to appear perfect...without flaws. Well guess what, NONE of them could have done what you did in your cycling career. I'll never forget watching you climb Alp D'huez and looking over your shoulder at Jan Ullrich and then taking off! No one had the strength at that moment to attack like you did. There are countless other stories that testify to your strength and ability. The drugs weren't what gave you the passion, motivation, determination and love for the sport. You did that. That's Lance Armstrong. Like any other sport, those who are truly dedicated to the sport use that power to perform at a higher level. Not everyone has it but you do Lance. You're an incredible athlete. One of the best of all time and THE BEST we've ever seen in this sport.

You're also a family man. You love your kids. You love your wife. I admire that. Family is and will always be more important that the sport. You understand that. You want your kids to have a bright future and a father who loves and encourages them to be their best. You're accomplishing that. Your kids know what kind of dad they have. They know you're not perfect and they're okay with that. It's better that way. None of us are perfect.

Lance Armstrong, thank you. Thanks for all the good times. Thanks for your passion for cycling. I started riding because of you. A lot of us cyclists did. In fact, most of us. I wish you the best! You signed a yellow discovery jersey for me when you came to Utah. Thanks for taking the time. It hangs on my wall. I'll never take it down.

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Fan...tastic?

Dave.

StyrbjornSterki · Oct 27, 2015

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D-Queued said:
thehog said:

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It's not any shocker that some people like to tear you down....

...I'll never take it down.

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Fan...tastic?

Dave.

If that were fo realz, it would be the most hyperbolic, Machiavellian and sycophantic post I ever have seen in this forum. And that's going some.

D-Queued · Oct 28, 2015

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StyrbjornSterki said:
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If that were fo realz, it would be the most hyperbolic, Machiavellian and sycophantic post I ever have seen in this forum. And that's going some.

Maybe in this thread, but in this forum?

Dave.

86TDFWinner · Oct 29, 2015

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DirtyWorks said:
I still want to know what the plan was looping Och into this particular scandal. Maybe more poorly executed strategy by wonderboy?.

Armstrong getting close to poking the bear...

IMO, It's long overdue someone named Och, and that up til now, he's been pretty much Teflon and/or not mentioned. The guy's been aware of guys doping since he was running 7 Eleven. He needs to go down too, then Comical, then McIllvain.

86TDFWinner · Oct 29, 2015