Official Lance Armstrong Thread: Part 3 (Post-Confession)

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yaco said:
I still wonder how out of the myriad of companies that sponsored cycling teams who had systematic doping programs only US Postal suffered brand damage - Continue lighting the flame.
It's not USPS's case. How hard is this to understand? Flandis is using a law that is supposed to protect tax dollars.
 
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fmk_RoI said:
thehog said:
From a legal point of view, I don’t think it would be possible for him to to write checks. It would be an admission of guilt and he can’t do that.
Oprah.

With the context of the upcoming trial the Andreu’s could still be part of the trial, a payment to them would/could validate any testimony they are to make. Has nothing to do with Oprah, the admission of doping does not prove out that USPS suffered harm or loss because of said doping.
 
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thehog said:
fmk_RoI said:
thehog said:
From a legal point of view, I don’t think it would be possible for him to to write checks. It would be an admission of guilt and he can’t do that.
Oprah.

With the context of the upcoming trial the Andreu’s could still be part of the trial, a payment to them would/could validate any testimony they are to make. Has nothing to do with Oprah, the admission of doping does not prove out that USPS suffered harm or loss because of said doping.
His apology already 'validates' what they say.
 
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Doping cover-up will be a big thing in this trial, I'm guessing. Lance is going to argue that pro cycling is a filthy circus, there was doping, and everybody knew or should have known about it.

The USA is going to argue that it didn't know about Lance's doping and is going to want to demonstrate the great lengths Lance went to hide his doping scheme, especially the nasty stuff.

Lance isn't likely going to be able to shut the USA up when they try to prove the nature and extent of his secret doping scheme. It's not like he can just say: "I told Oprah. That's enough! You can't talk about it any more!"

On the other hand, if Lance was willing to stipulate that he was a leading part of a secret doping ring, he and the USA might be able to negotiate a trial stipulation. :lol:
 
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fmk_RoI said:
thehog said:
fmk_RoI said:
thehog said:
From a legal point of view, I don’t think it would be possible for him to to write checks. It would be an admission of guilt and he can’t do that.
Oprah.

With the context of the upcoming trial the Andreu’s could still be part of the trial, a payment to them would/could validate any testimony they are to make. Has nothing to do with Oprah, the admission of doping does not prove out that USPS suffered harm or loss because of said doping.
His apology already 'validates' what they say.

Not really. Fans turned on USPS when he admitted to doping? Non fans went to Mailboxes because they hate disgraced doping cyclists?
 
Let's forget about the trial for a minute (probably never going to happen IMO), why exactly should Armstrong give the Andreus any money?

It's not like he sued them.
They are the ones who attacked him and tried to destroy him. Are they surprised he denied doping and said mean things about them?
Frankie Andreu turn on his former friends while concealing his own doping and is surprised he has trouble finding a job in cycling? What did he expect?
Boo-freaking-hoo
Why should Armstrong pay for their decision?

And I can't believe this was a spontaneous move from the Lemonds. It turns out the Andreu actually asked money from Armstrong. After all their beautifull speeches about doing it for the Truth! How disappointing :lol:
 
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fmk_RoI said:
Freddythefrog said:
fmk_RoI said:
Freddythefrog said:
the biggest sporting fraud ever
Spot the person still drinking the Tygart Kool-Aid...
Yes - guilty ! It sounded good though !
Actually, it sounds like an insult to all the really important frauds, like the East German doping...but if it makes you feel warm and fuzzy, that's the important thing.

I would've thought USA were and are the biggest sporting fraud.

East German doping was obvious to all.

Armstrong might just be the biggest sporting fraud athlete, singular, but boy Froome is pushing him for that one!
 
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fmk_RoI said:
thehog said:
fmk_RoI said:
thehog said:
From a legal point of view, I don’t think it would be possible for him to to write checks. It would be an admission of guilt and he can’t do that.
Oprah.

With the context of the upcoming trial the Andreu’s could still be part of the trial, a payment to them would/could validate any testimony they are to make. Has nothing to do with Oprah, the admission of doping does not prove out that USPS suffered harm or loss because of said doping.
His apology already 'validates' what they say.

No, it does not as he has not apologised to them directly along with no fiduciary remedy being applied. I really wish you’d skill up in these area because you have no idea what you are taking about. Armstrong is currently fighting not to have the Andreu’s part of the hearing, so he’s not about to cut them a check for whatever they feel they require.
 
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86TDFWinner said:
fmk_RoI said:
And LA punts the ball another six months down the road: trial won't start until May 2018 now.
Wonderboy still needs more time to funnel $$ overseas into various "secret"accounts. :D
Got any proof of that statement? the obsession is hard like a ... never mind but you get the point. humping up on fence posts and such. Much like phineas and ferb along with gregs cammmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmio.
 
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Semper Fidelis said:
86TDFWinner said:
fmk_RoI said:
And LA punts the ball another six months down the road: trial won't start until May 2018 now.
Wonderboy still needs more time to funnel $$ overseas into various "secret"accounts. :D
Got any proof of that statement? the obsession is hard like a ... never mind but you get the point. humping up on fence posts and such. Much like phineas and ferb along with gregs cammmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmio.
I heard he was sneaking the money out of Texas hidden in the pockets of Brian Cookson's Team Sky jerseys.
 
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Benotti69 said:
fmk_RoI said:
Freddythefrog said:
fmk_RoI said:
Freddythefrog said:
the biggest sporting fraud ever
Spot the person still drinking the Tygart Kool-Aid...
Yes - guilty ! It sounded good though !
Actually, it sounds like an insult to all the really important frauds, like the East German doping...but if it makes you feel warm and fuzzy, that's the important thing.

I would've thought USA were and are the biggest sporting fraud.

East German doping was obvious to all.

Armstrong might just be the biggest sporting fraud athlete, singular, but boy Froome is pushing him for that one!

Froome can't work the US market; makes him a tolerable freak.
 
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[quote/]As far as I can see the message is "dopers win - you might not get to keep everything but you keep most - riding clean is for suckers !"[/quote]

Freddy ... ever think, "What if this is as good as it gets?"

Armstrong had a product that people wanted. Even now, after accusations, confessions, bans, books , movies ad nauseum ... intended to burn him at the stake ... he still has a product that people want, at least hundreds of thousands of people (e.g. his Stages podcast). Don't let your evangelism, cloud your Shyte, man.

The bologna of Armstrong ruining cycling, destroying people's lives. Cease and desist with this utter silliness.

Armstrong, pro cycling and most fans are moving on. There are few still riding the bench, handwringing about how badly fans were hurt.
 
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fmk_RoI said:
yaco said:
I still wonder how out of the myriad of companies that sponsored cycling teams who had systematic doping programs only US Postal suffered brand damage - Continue lighting the flame.
It's not USPS's case. How hard is this to understand? Flandis is using a law that is supposed to protect tax dollars.

I fully understand that is US Postal is a Government agency - Other teams have been sponsored by Government agencies and nil has happened.
 
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yaco said:
fmk_RoI said:
yaco said:
I still wonder how out of the myriad of companies that sponsored cycling teams who had systematic doping programs only US Postal suffered brand damage - Continue lighting the flame.
It's not USPS's case. How hard is this to understand? Flandis is using a law that is supposed to protect tax dollars.

I fully understand that is US Postal is a Government agency - Other teams have been sponsored by Government agencies and nil has happened.
Name them, and cite the relevant basis for legal challenges for those in other jurisdictions.
 
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fmk_RoI said:
Name them, and cite the relevant basis for legal challenges for those in other jurisdictions.

Yes, father.

Do national lotteries count? What about Astana? How many words do you require for your essay and which style guide do you prefer? Geez. It's not like you provide any references for your grand pronouncements...

John Swanson
 
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ScienceIsCool said:
fmk_RoI said:
Name them, and cite the relevant basis for legal challenges for those in other jurisdictions.

Yes, father.

Do national lotteries count? What about Astana? How many words do you require for your essay and which style guide do you prefer? Geez. It's not like you provide any references for your grand pronouncements...

John Swanson

Very good point re: Astana. Another Cookson misstep. Don’t worry too much about FMK. He tends to get a little precise on matters and diappears when he messes up. None the less it’s unlikely Kasshsjsjdgdhstan would have a Federal whistle blowers statute! More likely they would be an official arm to cover up such matters.