He's E--- now but no matter how much money he loses he can still live rent free in the heads of CNF postersHey hey hey HEY NOW! Hanging with Sheryl Crow brought him up to at least a C- on the list. Give the gal some credit.
He's E--- now but no matter how much money he loses he can still live rent free in the heads of CNF postersHey hey hey HEY NOW! Hanging with Sheryl Crow brought him up to at least a C- on the list. Give the gal some credit.
Ummm, Doping in cycling was going on long before Wonderboy was doing it. Merckx, Anquetil, Fignon have either admitted to it, or been caught using.I've been looking at this for, oh, all of a minute now, and I'm trying to work it out, and I think I may have got it. You have to imagine it's addressed to the ultimate in Armstrong fanbots, let's call it the LA-209. This, I imagine, is the expected machine-generated response:
Here's a real question for folk: fascinating as this email exchange clearly is (and we do need to start talking about how legal substances like L-Carnitine have crept into the world of doping), can you imagine anyone out there who could be shocked enough by it to want to sweep it under the carpet?
Can you honestly imagine anyone who could be shocked by the thought that in 2012 – in the months before USADA kicked him out of the Ironman triathlons he'd turned to after his cycling comeback had collapsed like the soufflé made of vanity and hubris it was – Armstrong might have circumvented the no needles policy and banged in a bag or two of a legal supplement? This is a man who was reported to have been banging in bags of cows' blood on team buses during races while riding to victory in the Tour de France. If you've not been shocked out of your complacency by the Activo-something story then taking a trip back to the days of the Intralipid affair – when a liquidisied food substitute for geriatrics and ICU patients was being mainlined by the PDM team in place of plates of chicken and rice at the dinner table – is hardly going to register on your radar, now is it?
Cycling has lived too long in the shadow of the syringe for anyone to be genuinely shocked by the news that in 2012 Armstrong may have broken the no needles policy and used an illegal method to consume a legal substance. David Walsh of all people knows this: he's the journalist who tried to usurp PDM's official apologist during the Intralipid affair, throwing himself on the barricades in defence of his compatriots Sean Kelly and Martin Earley and claiming that “the picture of a rider being injected leads to one conclusion: doping. It is a mistaken view, out of touch with the realities of modern sport but, for the armchair enthusiast, nothing good comes through the tip of a needle.”
Is there any chance that, when quoting something I said, your reply could refer to what I actually said, and not what you want to imagine I said?Perhaps you can seek professsional help for your condition.
Sure, if there's any chance of you providing FACTUAL/CREDIBLE evidence that LeMond or Big Miggy doped(especially Greg) as you claimed earlier, when you referred to him as a "demon doper"?Is there any chance that, when quoting something I said, your reply could refer to what I actually said, and not what you want to imagine I said?
You introduced L-Carnitine suggesting it was an allegation some would want to sweep under the carpet. I fully engaged with the accusation. Yet you appear to be the one now trying to bury the story with fantasy replies and insults. Ironic, eh?
This is getting crazy now. L-Carnitine didn't just spontaneously appear here. But 86TDFWinner wants to insist they didn't introduce it. So which one of you others did it and ran away? Come on now, 'fess up and let's get this over and done with.BTW, I didnt "introduce" anything to you
I don't know about you folk, but there's an echo of something in there for me. Extraordinary allegations require extraordinary proof? Something like that. Where did I get that? Was it something Spiderman said? Or was it Greg Lemond?ANY info you provide MUST BE CREDIBLE and easily verifiable, not something your hamster told you. It Also MUST contain: dosages, who administered them, on what days/dates/times/multiple injections, locations, witnesses, what kind, by whom, etc.
So, we're back to Indurain not doping? And after @hrotha came to 86TDFWinner's aid too. Some people thought they'd never live to see the day of a sub-2 marathon, but I think the day that someone in the Clinic tried to argue Indurain was clean is even more unimaginable, especially without chemical aid.if there's any chance of you providing FACTUAL/CREDIBLE evidence that LeMond or Big Miggy doped(especially Greg) as you claimed earlier, when you referred to him as a "demon doper"?
So you're saying you have no proof of either doping, despite your claims?This is getting crazy now. L-Carnitine didn't just spontaneously appear here. But 86TDFWinner wants to insist they didn't introduce it. So which one of you others did it and ran away? Come on now, 'fess up and let's get this over and done with.
I don't know about you folk, but there's an echo of something in there for me. Extraordinary allegations require extraordinary proof? Something like that. Where did I get that? Was it something Spiderman said? Or was it Greg Lemond?
So, we're back to Indurain not doping? And after @hrotha came to 86TDFWinner's aid too. Some people thought they'd never live to see the day of a sub-2 marathon, but I think the day that someone in the Clinic tried to argue Indurain was clean is even more unimaginable, especially without chemical aid.
Lemond could party well after a victory and some of those party favors could have qualified as Controlled. Most are legal in a great part of the US but his teammates and Stateside opponents know he was real and frequently won without depth of support. He quit when he couldn't fight the tide and his own health reality...So you're saying you have no proof of either doping, despite your claims?
Got it!
Get back to me when you find something on either, especially LeMond?
Of course the case that Indurain doped is mostly circumstantial, ie. that he could not've won clean.So you're saying you have no proof of either doping, despite your claims.
Yes! I also think he's a Wonderboy troll.Of course the case that Indurain doped is mostly circumstantial, ie. that he could not've won clean.
I read somewhere one cyclist estimating that already at the 1991 Tour there were sixty or seventy cyclists on EPO and that it was practically impossible to win clean because Hct of doped riders was easily some 55 % whereas that of clean riders fell easily under 40 % after three weeks of riding.
Opinions are just opinions, and out of curiosity, do you believe that this guy with this view is just plain wrong or perhaps even dishonest?
Have anything at all to substantiate or back up your claims, other than your opinion?Lemond could party well after a victory and some of those party favors could have qualified as Controlled. Most are legal in a great part of the US but his teammates and Stateside opponents know he was real and frequently won without depth of support. He quit when he couldn't fight the tide and his own health reality...
Can't lend much other than opinion about the clients of noted Euro doctors, though.
Just to clarify that I think that it hasn't been established just when EPO entered the peloton and someone must be wrong with the timelines. I actually think the estimates I referred to were sincere even if not accurate in the end, but are you maintaining that the guy with the "sixty or seventy on EPO in 91" and "impossible to win clean" is a dishonest pro Armstrong-idiot fanboy or in his payroll with anti-Indurain or anti-LeMond bias?Yes! I also think he's a Wonderboy troll.
How about this? Pretty serious allegation regarding Indurain's doping from a trustworthy source right there.So you're saying you have no proof of either doping, despite your claims?
Got it!
Get back to me when you find something on either, especially LeMond?
Some former teammates hold that opinion that Lemond was not an EPO user. Strongly and they're now old, too. Also several of his closest associates in his business that knew him from amateur days and current day. We have discussed all possibilities and they are not blind to cycling history but feel he was the real deal. He did party at times like almost every young athlete.Have anything at all to substantiate or back up your claims, other than your opinion?
If so, Please share any CREDIBLE proof that you have to back up your claims, just one? Not something your dog told you either. You can also PM it to me if you prefer, when can I expect this info?
There are a few here where I have started to read that have some stability issues when it comes to Lance Armstrong. I just hope background checks has kept them from owning a gun.Came here looking for post-confession news and found some spittle flecked, name-calling insistence on the cleanliness of Big Mig (the truth is out there little brother) and the usual hagiographies of Captain America: that shining beacon of the Reagan era.
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Lance is far and away from the first person I’d have a beer with, but surely more fun than the shut-ins who haven’t gotten over him.
So again, you have nothing?Some former teammates hold that opinion that Lemond was not an EPO user. Strongly and they're now old, too. Also several of his closest associates in his business that knew him from amateur days and current day. We have discussed all possibilities and they are not blind to cycling history but feel he was the real deal. He did party at times like almost every young athlete.
Have I met him? No. Did I live daily with him? No. Do I have intimate direct knowledge from his lips? No. Nor do you.
If you don't find that credible then you'll need to dredge up some CREDIBLE proof that convinces you of whatever it is you want to prove.
And I think it was Lance that said: Extraordinary allegations require extraordinary proof? That proof existed.
No background checks needed for me, I simply post articles/whatever IN A THREAD devoted to Wonderboy, good or bad(mostly bad). It's then that his ball washing disciples get all bent outta shape & still believe Cancer Jesus has done no wrong. Many of these folks often don't live in reality, or choose not to.There are a few here where I have started to read that have some stability issues when it comes to Lance Armstrong. I just hope background checks has kept them from owning a gun.
You're posting in a thread about Wonderboy, Are you not? Isnt that the purpose of the thread to begin with, post good or bad about him?Came here looking for post-confession news and found some spittle flecked, name-calling insistence on the cleanliness of Big Mig (the truth is out there little brother) and the usual hagiographies of Captain America: that shining beacon of the Reagan era.
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Lance is far and away from the first person I’d have a beer with, but surely more fun than the shut-ins who haven’t gotten over him.
Not much of a podcast person, I have to confess, but friends who are rate The Move and rate Armstrong as a pundit. TBH, much as I dislike the guy, I'd probably prefer to listen to him than listen to, say, Millar: LA may be all about his own ego, but that's infinitely better than St David waving his pom-poms in the air with clowns like Ned Flanders. But that's not enough to make me actually want to tune in and put up with the Texan's ego.Anyway
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Quicker than him being on the Champs Élysées in 2053 or quicker than him being on the Champs Élysées in 2028?I'm willing to bet the rehabilitation goes much more quickly.
Again. I'm suggesting Lemond DID NOT DOPE. Teammates and close associates feel the same way so the evidence is.....there is no evidence. I won't disclose who I've spoken to about it as they don't need harassment on this count either.So again, you have nothing?
Still waiting on that info, I keep checking my inbox here & nothing.
How did someone come to the conclusion that "LeMond doped too" or that Big Miggy doped, yet STILL haven't provided ANY SHRED of credible, factual info regarding either? The offer of PMing it to me, is open to EVERYONE. It must be credible/easily verifiable info, from credible sources, not something your dog Rusty told you, or you heard it from so and so, who got the info from so and so, who got that info from his best friends sisters cousins step uncle in law.
Please stop avoiding/dodging/deflectiing & just ANSWER by providing the info i asked about.
Not surprising.
Hard to understand how you could suggest anyone in the pro peloton "DID NOT DOPE" that seems to be a very naive view of pro cycling.Again. I'm suggesting Lemond DID NOT DOPE. Teammates and close associates feel the same way so the evidence is.....there is no evidence. I won't disclose who I've spoken to about it as they don't need harassment on this count either.
I can see the need to provide specifics, particularly when alleging someone committed a violation of some sort.
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