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MacRoadie

MacRoadie

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Ah, so what is that "evidence" he failed to disclose in his article?
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Bill Strickland is just a bitter, jealous liar. He's probably going to write a book...oh, never mind...
 
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haha excellent stuff. I'm not sure how Floyd manages his dozens of Twitter alter-egos.
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Tweetdeck. ;)

Although he doesnt get muddled up sometimes.
 
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skippythepinhead

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MacRoadie said:
Bill Strickland is just a bitter, jealous liar. He's probably going to write a book...oh, never mind...
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It's just a crying shame he can hide behind the pretense that he's a journalist. I've found direct evidence to contradict this, and I have no problem divulging my source.
 
thehog

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Worth a read:

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/commentary/news/story?id=6579317

Trust me, the argument over the medical benefits and ethical ramifications of "performance enhancement" cannot be left to sports writers. We don't have the brains, the background or the stones for the debate. Think of all this, then, all the upset and travail, as an opportunity to inscribe an absolutely unimaginable honesty as your legacy.

By coming clean, you could rewrite world sports overnight.

If you did wrong by the standards of the sport, you're running out of time. Once the indictments drop, this thing can't be fixed or walked back or forgotten. Livestrong and the good it does are then at grave risk. This might be your last chance to get in front of all this. Here's how.

Use the truth. Call a news conference. At the United Nations. Explain that cycling is corrupt from top to bottom, from east to west, always has been, and that "performance enhancement" is an open secret, winked at by the very bodies charged with oversight of the sport. That doping is about money and fame and has a hundred-year history in the Grand Tours and on the board tracks and that the rules of cycling -- and every other sport on Earth -- are antiquated, contradictory and hypocritical. And that you still beat 200 guys flat who were doped to the gills seven years running in the Tour de France. The playing field was level.

Let honesty be your defense. Confess your sins of pride or ambition or hubris, arrogance or selfishness or appetite, sure, but remind us that to pretend those human things don't exist in the world -- on Wall Street or Main Street or the final approach to the Alpe d'Huez -- is a failure nearly as great.

Confess to your weakness and play to your strength.
 
MarkvW

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DirtyWorks said:
Wonderboy and other targets like him are generally last, if they ever appear in front of the grand jury. At that point, Wonderboy will need to be 100% truthful or the perjury charges fly. That would be very challenging for a personality like his. If they don't call him, he gets to see all the evidence at the end of the investigation. He has some options at that point.
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That dog won't hunt. Targets don't get immunity--if they got immunity, they couldn't be targets anymore. Non-immunized targets will exercise their 5th Amendment right against self-incrimination, and will avoid the risk of perjury.

The 5th Amendment protects the GJ witness from the "cruel trilemma" of perjury, self-accusation, or contempt.
 
MarkvW

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thehog said:
Worth a read:

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/commentary/news/story?id=6579317

Trust me, the argument over the medical benefits and ethical ramifications of "performance enhancement" cannot be left to sports writers. We don't have the brains, the background or the stones for the debate. Think of all this, then, all the upset and travail, as an opportunity to inscribe an absolutely unimaginable honesty as your legacy.

By coming clean, you could rewrite world sports overnight.

If you did wrong by the standards of the sport, you're running out of time. Once the indictments drop, this thing can't be fixed or walked back or forgotten. Livestrong and the good it does are then at grave risk. This might be your last chance to get in front of all this. Here's how.

Use the truth. Call a news conference. At the United Nations. Explain that cycling is corrupt from top to bottom, from east to west, always has been, and that "performance enhancement" is an open secret, winked at by the very bodies charged with oversight of the sport. That doping is about money and fame and has a hundred-year history in the Grand Tours and on the board tracks and that the rules of cycling -- and every other sport on Earth -- are antiquated, contradictory and hypocritical. And that you still beat 200 guys flat who were doped to the gills seven years running in the Tour de France. The playing field was level.

Let honesty be your defense. Confess your sins of pride or ambition or hubris, arrogance or selfishness or appetite, sure, but remind us that to pretend those human things don't exist in the world -- on Wall Street or Main Street or the final approach to the Alpe d'Huez -- is a failure nearly as great.

Confess to your weakness and play to your strength.
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Hogster, I think you could safely bet that Fabiani has told Armstrong something very close to that. It's damage control 101: Edit: I take that back. No lawyer would advise his client to blab until the criminal process is resolved. An admission would also be an admission of liability in Floyd's case--that would be an expensive mea culpa.
 
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skippythepinhead

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Strategy would blow up if I had ridden within the rules during any one of Armstrong's victories. Claiming everyone dirty without proof would be a bad idea.
 
Maxiton

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Armstrong should fire his other advisors and hire this guy. And then do what he suggests.

EDIT Only problem is, the UCI corruption, perjury, and whatever else they might have on him besides doping.
 
leftover pie

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MarkvW said:
All of Armstrong's main lieutenants are now deeply linked to doping, and multiple domestiques have also come forward. People tell me cycling is a team sport. Doesn't Armstrong's forever-tainted team, alone, establish that Armstrong's victories depended upon doping?
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interesting point, so while the armstrong team feverently dismiss all the accusations against lance provided by ex-teammates

they're happy to believe half of the evidence provided which are the confessions of their own doping.

so he agrees that all his teammates were doping, so by extention, even based on their own strategy of defence he was still only able to win his 7 tours because of doping.

does that make sense? :confused:
 
Moose McKnuckles

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I think the suggestion from the ESPN article might be Lance's best recourse at this point, and most fans will never understand that just because they were all doping doesn't mean the "playing field was level." There's a good reason why Armstrong exclusively retained the services of Ferrari.

However, this has gone way past doping, and I don't think the writer of that ESPN article realizes that yet. I think a lot of these sportswriters are still thinking "Hey, they're trying to prove Lance doped."

Uh, no, this is about corruption and fraud on an international level. Having Lance come out and say "Sorry, I doped" doesn't mean a whole lot when the charge is fraud. Plus, admitting things now would open him to the charge of perjury.
 
Semper Fidelis

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Moose McKnuckles said:
I think the suggestion from the ESPN article is Lance's best recourse at this point, and most fans will never understand that just because they were all doping doesn't mean the "playing field was level." There's a good reason why Armstrong exclusively retained the services of Ferrari.
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Well since you said that the Playing field was not necessarily level then that makes it a fact. Thanks for that! I am glad your an expert. It is always good to get a Camel Toe on your side. :cool:
 
DirtyWorks

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MarkvW said:
That dog won't hunt. Targets don't get immunity--if they got immunity, they couldn't be targets anymore. Non-immunized targets will exercise their 5th Amendment right against self-incrimination, and will avoid the risk of perjury.

The 5th Amendment protects the GJ witness from the "cruel trilemma" of perjury, self-accusation, or contempt.
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I didn't mean Wonderboy would get immunity. That's what I get for trying to be a lawyer.:D
 
Captain Serious

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Has anyone got a list of the main Lance Fanboys on here?
I wanna see what delusional crap they've been coming up with :D
Or have they all gone?
 
thehog

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My sources tell me there's one more confession to come in the coming days.... watch this space. Hard times at the ranch.
 
TexPat

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thehog said:
My sources tell me there's one more confession to come in the coming days.... watch this space. Hard times at the ranch.
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You're killing me with this cryptic stuff. Let's have it! What do you know?
Clear your mail box.
 
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