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[Grand Tourist]

We've got the SCA case, ideally Murdoch's organization is going to lodge a complaint in the courts, there have to be others Team Armstrong scammed. But, the way that civil trials would play out is that Wonderboy would make it appear to the courts that he is worth very little and get the damages whittled down to pennies on the dollar. On top of that, settle out of court so nothing comes to light.

David Walsh in last weekend's Sunday Times said they were considering this.

 

[MarkvW]

From the article:



Guess LA and his team feel the '99 samples are pretty important. No doubt these new lawyers will also be trying to squelch any information from the 2001 TdS.

Armstrong's team is very reactive right now. They appear to be hiring lawyers based on what they heard from Tyler on TV. This tends to indicate that they know no more about where Novitsky, et al. are going than any other person.

The hired lawyers have developed expertise in suppressing evidence of drug tests on a right to privacy theory. They were surely hired at the request of Lance's current legal team. They would only be hired for purposes of defending a case where evidence of doping was relevant. Floyd's case (on behalf of the US Government) is such a case. Lance's lawyers would be prudent to fully explore this because the same gov't that unconstitutionally obtains evidence against a person, cannot use that same evidence against that same person in a civil case. See US v. Janis, 428 US 433. If Floyd gets this stuff, and it is what has been suggested, it is devastating. First: Lance's case is probably down the toilet; Second: The public will eventually see the material (FOIA or Court records).

There's another twist to this: If Lance ever testifies that he didn't dope, this evidence (if it is what has been suggested), may be admissible to show that Lance's testimony is not credible, and only for that purpose, even if the evidence was unconstitutionally obtained. This could be another very hot issue.

Lance's shrieking lawyers are blabbing like crazy about the big waste of money on a pointless CRIMINAL investigation. But, if the Feds ultimately make a successful civil fraud case against Lance, it will be Lance that ultimately covers the cost of the fraud investigation.

Some portion of this investigation must relate to civil fraud, and that threatens Lance's financial resources.

Of course the lawyer hirings may relate to criminal concerns about a criminal doping or doping fraud prosecution. It may be there, but I can't see it.

 

[Anonymous]

Two more lawyers added to the team
http://www.sacbee.com/2011/05/26/3656261/armstrong-adds-to-legal-team.html

Keker, Peters, Fabiani, Herman, Luskin, Daily....that is some serious expensive firepower for a case that is supposedly stalled and going nowhere.

That's approaching $3,000 per hour for this sextet.

LA better get back out on the lecture circuit. Maybe come out of retirement again? The Tour Down Under is right around the corner.

 

[DirtyWorks]

Thanks.
So the lie itself under oath in that case won't have in risk jail? Way to promote telling the truth...

That's a different case. I think the lies under oath would need to be pursued by the jurisdiction (State? City? County? don't know which)where the case was tried. There will be some political/practical calculations as to the value of pursuing it. In this situation, I would estimate a free pass for Wonderboy's lies.

I'm no lawyer, so maybe someone can correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

I would think the results of this investigation has implications for the SCA case. I would bet SCA files suit if Lance is shown to have perjured himself there.

 

[VeloGirl]

That's approaching $3,000 per hour for this sextet.

LA better get back out on the lecture circuit. Maybe come out of retirement again? The Tour Down Under is right around the corner.

He could always have NIKE create red, white and blue braclets that say "BelieveStrong" Sell 'em for a buck

 

[DirtyWorks]

Armstrong's team is very reactive right now. They appear to be hiring lawyers based on what they heard from Tyler on TV. This tends to indicate that they know no more about where Novitsky, et al. are going than any other person.

Ding! Ding! Ding!

Team Armstrong is running blind at the moment. This is a clue that NOW is the right time to contribute testimony to the Grand Jury if they want it. Contrast this moment with the moment the Andreau's stopped lying for wonderboy and you have it very easy.

It won't make being complicit in the cheating and lying any better, but for one of the few times in your life it takes the minimal amount of courage to do the right thing.

You guys reading this that could contribute testimony to the Grand Jury should make the call to Novitsky's(sp???) office now.

 

[hektoren]

In light of the latest recruits into Lance's legal team: Lance, if you have nothing to hide, hide nothing! Why do you have to employ an ever-increasing # of lawyers? From afar, this just looks like you've got a lot to hide.

 

[COMO CYCO]

That's approaching $3,000 per hour for this sextet.

LA better get back out on the lecture circuit. Maybe come out of retirement again? The Tour Down Under is right around the corner.

Maybe that's why he just dropped the price on the home he is trying to sell in Texas by millions....looks like it's liquidation time...

http://www.move.com/trends/lance-armstrong-drops-texas-home-price-by-millions-photos/

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

You guys reading this that could contribute testimony to the Grand Jury should make the call to Novitsky's(sp???) office now.

They already have. Several riders have testified without subpoenas.

 

[DirtyWorks]

I would think the results of this investigation has implications for the SCA case. I would bet SCA files suit if Lance is shown to have perjured himself there.

The Grand Jury's evidence will have to be made public for that to happen though. Wonderboy has an opportunity at the end of the investigation to hear the evidence and plea a deal without a bit of the evidence going public. That's going to be a long meeting....

 

[Cloxxki]

I would think the results of this investigation has implications for the SCA case. I would bet SCA files suit if Lance is shown to have perjured himself there.

Right. Any settlement Lance would offer, would be too little. They have this one in the bag, when all lance's team mates testify under oath, at their own expensive, about team doping practices.

Also, would SCA not want first dibs on Lance's accounts? Lance lies under oath to defraud them, for many millions. Now the other case are going to cost him millions, possibly more than he has. So although SCA is proven rightful winner in their case, they still may get nothing as Lance is always cut and shaved (Dutch saying). Seems unfair. If I were them, I'd ask the court to allow Lance to first go through their new appeal and subsequent ruling before being forced to pay up for USPS and other crimes.

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

Maybe that's why he just dropped the price on the home he is trying to sell in Texas by millions....looks like it's liquidation time...

http://www.move.com/trends/lance-armstrong-drops-texas-home-price-by-millions-photos/

LOL @ the comments on that story.

 

[Barrus]

Armstrong's team is very reactive right now. They appear to be hiring lawyers based on what they heard from Tyler on TV. This tends to indicate that they know no more about where Novitsky, et al. are going than any other person.

The hired lawyers have developed expertise in suppressing evidence of drug tests on a right to privacy theory. They were surely hired at the request of Lance's current legal team. They would only be hired for purposes of defending a case where evidence of doping was relevant. Floyd's case (on behalf of the US Government) is such a case. Lance's lawyers would be prudent to fully explore this because the same gov't that unconstitutionally obtains evidence against a person, cannot use that same evidence against that same person in a civil case. See US v. Janis, 428 US 433. If Floyd gets this stuff, and it is what has been suggested, it is devastating. First: Lance's case is probably down the toilet; Second: The public will eventually see the material (FOIA or Court records).

There's another twist to this: If Lance ever testifies that he didn't dope, this evidence (if it is what has been suggested), may be admissible to show that Lance's testimony is not credible, and only for that purpose, even if the evidence was unconstitutionally obtained. This could be another very hot issue.

Lance's shrieking lawyers are blabbing like crazy about the big waste of money on a pointless CRIMINAL investigation. But, if the Feds ultimately make a successful civil fraud case against Lance, it will be Lance that ultimately covers the cost of the fraud investigation.

Some portion of this investigation must relate to civil fraud, and that threatens Lance's financial resources.

Of course the lawyer hirings may relate to criminal concerns about a criminal doping or doping fraud prosecution. It may be there, but I can't see it.

What I find more interesting is how will the courts deal with such samples if they are not seized by US authorities but by foreign authorities and afterwards are being made available to the US authorities, would this change anything concerning a possible ruling in the admissability of these samples?

 

[DirtyWorks]

They already have. Several riders have testified without subpoenas.

Judging by the way the soigneur was treated for being honest about her experience with Wonderboy, there have to be more. There's the money side, the drug supply side. Lots of actors who weren't riders with little means to defend themselves from Team Armstrong have a chance to get some legal cover in the Grand Jury setting.

Now is the time ladies and gentlemen. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1n4yr4SmA4&feature=related

 

[JA.Tri]

up in smoke/flames

Maybe that's why he just dropped the price on the home he is trying to sell in Texas by millions....looks like it's liquidation time...

http://www.move.com/trends/lance-armstrong-drops-texas-home-price-by-millions-photos/

I attempted to add comment to article.

Message "you need to be logged in". I returned to address to be informed "Not Found".

I missed out...Bummer!

May be the all the comments (3?... all witty) expedited removal of post.

 

[Topangarider]

That's approaching $3,000 per hour for this sextet.

LA better get back out on the lecture circuit. Maybe come out of retirement again? The Tour Down Under is right around the corner.

To summarize (help me out here), he will need counsel for the federal investigation (now up until possible indictments), and the trial (if thats the direction this goes after potential indictment) or plea. Latter would be much less costly. BUT he'd also need representation for potential SCA suit, and suit from Murdoch's paper (to reclaim libel settlement re Walsh's book excerpts). And he could potentially need counsel for the whistle blower suit.

There seems to be a good chance that he would also need counsel to respond to any actions from the UCI, CAS. WADA, etc.

These legal fees could be astronomical.
Any thoughts from lawyers?

 

[thirteen]

Maybe that's why he just dropped the price on the home he is trying to sell in Texas by millions....looks like it's liquidation time...

http://www.move.com/trends/lance-armstrong-drops-texas-home-price-by-millions-photos/

LOL @ the comments on that story.

link has already been pulled... that was quick

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

link has already been pulled... that was quick

LOL. Everywhere Fraudstrong turns, he gets a slap.

That Sysmex machine comment was hilarious.

 

[Cimacoppi49]

i have pointed out several times before - a potential for novi and usada to go after the texas samples stored in the usa...a much easier task than reaching out across the ocean.

the new choice of lawyers may indicate THAT rather than the 1999/2001 samples...as important as they are.

Interesting point. Thanks!

 

[COMO CYCO]

LOL. Everywhere Fraudstrong turns, he gets a slap.

That Sysmex machine comment was hilarious.

never fear - it's everywhere...

http://www.homeluxury.net/lance-armstrongs-luxury-vacation-home-for-sale/

 

[Stingray34]

Are those seven miles of hiking/biking trails the ones where Lance gave the cold shoulder to TexPat after the latter found the roids in the fridge?

 

[Elagabalus]

never fear - it's everywhere...

http://www.homeluxury.net/lance-armstrongs-luxury-vacation-home-for-sale/

Thanks for that. Apparently, in addition to being a doper, Lance doesn't have any taste either.

 

[oldschoolnik]

Two more lawyers added to the team
http://www.sacbee.com/2011/05/26/3656261/armstrong-adds-to-legal-team.html

Keker, Peters, Fabiani, Herman, Luskin, Daily....that is some serious expensive firepower for a case that is supposedly stalled and going nowhere.

<<"We know Novitzky and plan to prove that these are his repeated, illegal leaks aimed solely at destroying a true hero, not just in sports but in the fight against cancer," he said. "That the government is spending tax money investigating long ago bike races in Europe is an outrage." >>

"True Hero?"

Read more: http://www.sacbee.com/2011/05/26/365626 ... z1NTruISYL>>

 

[Polish]

never fear - it's everywhere...

http://www.homeluxury.net/lance-armstrongs-luxury-vacation-home-for-sale/

Wow, one of Lance's many mega million dollar properties loses value.
Take THAT Lance.
Slap Slap booyah.
Hater'z real estate investments have soared in contrast.
Slap whif. MLS Search slapdown of fail.
Lets do a Lance search. whif. slap.

And don't get us started on his extensive Artwork Collection.
Only pussies collect art wuss wuss.
How can he even look at those pieces?