Official Lance Armstrong Thread **READ POST #1 BEFORE POSTING**

[Topangarider]

The news is catching up with him ...

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-...costing-his-cancer-foundation-10-million.html

"Lance Armstrong’s cancer foundation may lose up to $10 million in donations because of doping accusations against the seven-time Tour de France champion."

 

[webvan]

Not to mention the increased legal fees that already escalated last year for whatever reason...

 

[Granville57]

“He’s probably saved lives and that puts you on a bit of a higher plane than being a corporate spokesperson for Michelob,”

“While it would be disappointing if all of that was done on the false premise that he was a winner, the core of the personality and what clearly was part of his DNA is wanting to give back, and he gave back in an amount that not many people have.”

I suppose that's one way to look at it.

The deluded masses are beyond reach.

 

[DISTRICT 9]

The news is catching up with him ...

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-...costing-his-cancer-foundation-10-million.html

"Lance Armstrong’s cancer foundation may lose up to $10 million in donations because of doping accusations against the seven-time Tour de France champion."

the article is good, first objective article I have read about the current situation, with the investigation and the effects of the investigation on the individuals, who Lance works for, and the organization(LIVESTRONG) whom Lance represents.
Really all this should not be about Lance, but the individuals who have believed in him, and the hope that he has inspired.
Those individuals are the most important thing here.
People have strong emotions about the situation, but really those cancer survivors are who really matter the most, as well as the children who believe......

 

[Granville57]

...as well as the children who believe......

You're so right. We must protect those children from the truth at all costs.

 

[Hugh Januss]

the article is good, first objective article I have read about the current situation, with the investigation and the effects of the investigation on the individuals, who Lance works for, and the organization(LIVESTRONG) whom Lance represents.
Really all this should not be about Lance, but the individuals who have believed in him, and the hope that he has inspired.
Those individuals are the most important thing here.
People have strong emotions about the situation, but really those cancer survivors are who really matter the most, as well as the children who believe......

You are right, it is horrible the way Lance has let them down.

 

[jackwolf]

"Currently federal prosecutors tout above a 95% conviction rate. [...] Currently within the Federal prison system, you will server (sic) at least 85% of that time."

From http://www.hmichaelsteinberg.com/federalcrimes.htm

I don't know if this information has been posted before. If it has, let it be a reminder to cheer you guys up.

I posted a question one or two weeks ago about the possibility of Lance being extradited to France and doing time there, but I only got a reply from a fanboy. Any opinions from legal experts?

 

[Boeing]

"He’s probably saved lives"......... (unsure of op to quote)


Really? How? is there a cure? this is delusional. not only did he hoodwink us all on his way to 7, he is pulling the wool over your eyes if you believe cancer is cured with willpower. It is a bad disease. Tragic and the plight of our century that is a given. I have watched family with the greatest will power and positive thoughts shrivel up to noting in no time and others escape to live free. it is a disease that deserves the money he might be raising (I'll wait for the audit) but his story isn't saving lives.

 

[jackwolf]

This source (http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/news/cityregion/s_464095.html) is even more optimistic.

"About 95 percent of federal criminal defendants plead guilty. Of the remaining few who fight in court, nearly nine of 10 are convicted, according to national statistics."

That is 99.5 per cent. I think I'd better put some champagne in the fridge.

 

[Race Radio]

This source (http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/news/cityregion/s_464095.html) is even more optimistic.

"About 95 percent of federal criminal defendants plead guilty. Of the remaining few who fight in court, nearly nine of 10 are convicted, according to national statistics."

That is 99.5 per cent. I think I'd better put some champagne in the fridge.

And the district with the highest conviction rate in the nation? Yes, Doug Millar's

 

[thehog]

"He’s probably saved lives"......... (unsure of op to quote)


Really? How? is there a cure? this is delusional. not only did he hoodwink us all on his way to 7, he is pulling the wool over your eyes if you believe cancer is cured with willpower. It is a bad disease. Tragic and the plight of our century that is a given. I have watched family with the greatest will power and positive thoughts shrivel up to noting in no time and others escape to live free. it is a disease that deserves the money he might be raising (I'll wait for the audit) but his story isn't saving lives.

Probably saved lives. I think I probably do that as well. Probably.

 

[Stevie039]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/ot...ays-drugs-probe-is-a-shadow-on-the-sport.html

"David Millar attacks Tour de France legend Lance Armstrong and says drugs probe is a shadow on the sport"

 

[Topangarider]

the article is good, first objective article I have read about the current situation, with the investigation and the effects of the investigation on the individuals, who Lance works for, and the organization(LIVESTRONG) whom Lance represents.
Really all this should not be about Lance, but the individuals who have believed in him, and the hope that he has inspired.
Those individuals are the most important thing here.
People have strong emotions about the situation, but really those cancer survivors are who really matter the most, as well as the children who believe......

I don't know what you mean by "all this" "should not be about Lance" but if it's true that LA committed fraud, doped, pressured others to dope as a condition of employment, and evaded taxes then I would assert that these actions are really all about LA.

 

[jackwolf]

"Saved lives"?

It would be easy to argue he's killed people. If all or most of the money that has been donated to Livestrong had been donated to a proper cancer charity instead--as it probably would have been if Armstrong had never been born--more money would have gone towards research rather than jet fuel, legal expenses and awareness raising. (By the way, awareness raising is a bloody joke--like we need to be reminded that cancer, car accidents and very high cliffs kill people.)

 

[thehog]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/ot...ays-drugs-probe-is-a-shadow-on-the-sport.html

"David Millar attacks Tour de France legend Lance Armstrong and says drugs probe is a shadow on the sport"

This I did not know:

"Millar, speaking at the publication of his autobiography, Racing Through The Darkness, this week, once counted Armstrong as a firm friend, with the American supporting him during his comeback However, the pair have had little contact since a stand-up argument at the end of the 2007 Tour de France."

Sounds like Lance told him to shut up.

 

[sniper]

This I did not know:

"Millar, speaking at the publication of his autobiography, Racing Through The Darkness, this week, once counted Armstrong as a firm friend, with the American supporting him during his comeback However, the pair have had little contact since Lance told him to shut up at the end of the 2007 Tour de France."

.................

 

[rata de sentina]

"Saved lives"?

It would be easy to argue he's killed people. If all or most of the money that has been donated to Livestrong had been donated to a proper cancer charity instead--as it probably would have been if Armstrong had never been born--more money would have gone towards research rather than jet fuel, legal expenses and awareness raising. (By the way, awareness raising is a bloody joke--like we need to be reminded that cancer, car accidents and very high cliffs kill people.)

Don't hold back there. Your post is the perfect antidote to district and markvw and their Canute impersonations. Still your line of reasoning has a certain undeniable logic although it verges on sacrilege for some. It would be pretty hard to sustain an argument that in the absence of Armstrong that all that money would have been donated to cancer charities anyway. Even so if he had lent his energy and name to a proper cancer charity with a genuine research focus that is a different argument.

 

[Winterfold]

it would also fulfill his role as the christ-like figure that his minions have been so desperately clinging to for so long. First he shows himself to have super powers; then he saves the world; then he offers himself up as a sacrifice for the sins of his generation.

Cue theme song, new nike commercial, speaking-tour of redemption.
All hail the great one. Now he's flawed! Just like us!

This would be all too familiar to anyone acquainted with the unraveling of the early '80s american televangelists. Their bs was flowing so freely across the airwaves to the converted while most other people just ignored them. Then it all came crashing down with dramatic and tearful confessions and begging for forgiveness once they were found out to be frauds, cheats and liars.

Some people turned away, but those with no moral compass of their own soon embraced the new perspective and somehow found some sort of salvation in the sinner before them.

Hallelujah!

rotflmao!!! :d

 

[Benotti69]

i wonder has his lawyers been paid? If i was them i would be getting the money up front. he said he was gonna give $50,000 to the flood victims in Aussieland, but his name does not appear on the list of donors over $10,000

 

[Winterfold]

When LA and Saint Dave had their row in 2007 - LA was at the Tour in what capacity? Presumably this was when Millar was the go to guy for 'cycling in the toilet' quotes following Saunier Duval, Rasmussen, Vino etc etc that year?

Or was it something else?

Or was it because he was getting into Slipstream with JV. He has mentioned that LA wouldnt speak to him because he was friends with JV in previous interviews IIRC.

 

[Cloxxki]

I sincerely wish Livetrong took not a dollar away from proper charities, be it cancer or otherwise. I must say that since it's a fanboy cult, likely it is mostly money taken out of luxury purchases. Trek of course got some out of automotive and petrochemical budgets.

 

[Cloxxki]

i wonder has his lawyers been paid? If i was them i would be getting the money up front. he said he was gonna give $50,000 to the flood victims in Aussieland, but his name does not appear on the list of donors over $10,000

He probably offered for $100k worth of Livestrong name association rights for only $50k in monetary compensation. That's the same as a $50 donation right there. And, $50k goes towards curing cancer. #win-win.
If Aussieland loves cancer, that's their problem, deal is off, and he doesn't want to be mentioned as a donor.

I hope to be wrong, and I likely am, as reality is usually far more interesting than fiction with this character.

 

[red_flanders]

Will the cycling press that reported and linked to the facts4lance.com site in their stories now follow up and ask why it's been pulled?

 

[tubularglue]

"He’s probably saved lives"......... (unsure of op to quote)


Really? How? is there a cure? this is delusional. not only did he hoodwink us all on his way to 7, he is pulling the wool over your eyes if you believe cancer is cured with willpower. It is a bad disease. Tragic and the plight of our century that is a given. I have watched family with the greatest will power and positive thoughts shrivel up to noting in no time and others escape to live free. it is a disease that deserves the money he might be raising (I'll wait for the audit) but his story isn't saving lives.

this was at the peak of my discomfort.

Cancer a game of chance and circumstance, either head or tails. hope was always a convenient marketing scheme. Go Nike

livestrong will now be in the cross hairs. about time. It's all part of the package, for me.

 

[tubularglue]

"He’s probably saved lives"......... (unsure of op to quote)


Really? How? is there a cure? this is delusional. not only did he hoodwink us all on his way to 7, he is pulling the wool over your eyes if you believe cancer is cured with willpower. It is a bad disease. Tragic and the plight of our century that is a given. I have watched family with the greatest will power and positive thoughts shrivel up to noting in no time and others escape to live free. it is a disease that deserves the money he might be raising (I'll wait for the audit) but his story isn't saving lives.

this was at the peak of my discomfort.

Cancer a game of chance and circumstance, either head or tails. For me, anyways.

putting a price tage on hope, classique' Go Nike

livestrong will now be in the cross hairs. about time. It's all part of the package, I am thinking.