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bicing

bicing

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Alpe d'Huez said:
Well, that didn't last long.

Has anyone seen if FreeLance.com has been registered by Fabiani?!
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That wouldn't be possible, because without the capitals it becomes the word "freelance" which would have been registered ages ago by a freelance writer/consultant/photographer/programmer/etc.

Maybe with some dashes or another name instead of Lance and it'd be worth checking...
 
Berzin

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Jeff Novitzky should be played by Peter Garrett, lead singer of the group "Midnight Oil".

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BillytheKid

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Granville57 said:
At some point, someone needs to ask LA's and his idiot circle, "Wow, how do you guys account for having the worst possible judge of character when so many ex-employees, teammates, friends and associates turn against you? Did you just happen to align yourselves with so many pathological liars? How could that be?"

This story should really have an impact on some of the uninformed. I think a lot of VN readers might suddenly sit up and take notice if they haven't already.

Mike, I have a good feeling that you're going to get the last word on this one.
Here's to ya' ;)
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LA's chief problem is that of fraud charges against Uncle Sam.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/07/22/lance-armstrong-fraud-pro_n_655294.html

He could receive some serious jail time if convicted. I'd lawyer up too. If we were taking about bans and supensions from future racing, that would be the normal course of action and might ultimately lead to a different outcome from Mr. Armstrong.
 
BillytheKid

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jackwolf said:
"Saved lives"?

It would be easy to argue he's killed people. If all or most of the money that has been donated to Livestrong had been donated to a proper cancer charity instead--as it probably would have been if Armstrong had never been born--more money would have gone towards research rather than jet fuel, legal expenses and awareness raising. (By the way, awareness raising is a bloody joke--like we need to be reminded that cancer, car accidents and very high cliffs kill people.)
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So he's killed people now? Wow. Everybody think about that one.
 
thehog

thehog

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tubularglue said:
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this was at the peak of my discomfort.

Cancer a game of chance and circumstance, either head or tails. hope was always a convenient marketing scheme. Go Nike

livestrong will now be in the cross hairs. about time. It's all part of the package, for me.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gw1ExWtx5tc&feature=fvsr

For me this was far worse. Directly linking cancer, to doping accusations to being clean and "doing it for them" then Nike logo.

Absolutely disgusting.
 
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red_flanders said:
Will the cycling press that reported and linked to the facts4lance.com site in their stories now follow up and ask why it's been pulled?
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MSM needs to start asking about this PR mistake by the master of disaster
 
DirtyWorks

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dbrower said:
Oh no, "server busy". It may be over.
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Haha.

Well, as a tech guy who admins web based services, there's very likely a boring reason or two why the site's down. The irony here is someone has gone cheap and won't pay to get the site back online.

If you aren't interested in a very likely technical reason why the site's down, the following will be no use to you.

As I posted a while ago, Fabiani points facts4wonderboy.com to a multi-host wordpress installation managed by the wordpress people. Cheap and easy way to do the job even if your site has 1000's of unique visitors a month.

Even for the way above average traffic blog, wordpress will not see much bandwidth or host resource consumption. Which is why they can give away xxxyyyzzz.wordpress.com subdomains all year every year.

But, Fabiani is bringing enormous traffic to Wordpress' application that would likely consume much of the resources of the server and the backend database and command a meaningful chunk of bandwidth. This slows all of the 100's of other blogs hosted on the same machine. It also probably fires off bandwidth allocation limits on wordpress' hosting.

What happens next is a datacenter's infrastructure warns that large amounts of bandwidth and server resources being consumed by wordpress. Someone figures out that factsforwonderboy.com is the problem and notifies the Fabiani's admin that their blog hosting is not free at these traffic levels.

The irony here is no one is willing to pay the pennies compared to their legal team costs to get the site online again. I could and would do the job, (the site works against them anyway) but they'd have to pay me 80% up front for the job because I won't see the other 20% if their current situation is any indicator.
 
jackwolf

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BillytheKid said:
So he's killed people now? Wow. Everybody think about that one.
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It would obviously be impossible to ascertain exactly how much money Livestrong has received that would have otherwise gone to real charities, but it's definitely more than zero. And if you accept the argument that by raising money for a cancer charity you save lives, then you also have to accept the argument that diverting money from much more efficient charities results in a loss of lives. So we're somewhere in between he's saved a few and he's killed a a few. You can't deny it's a possibility he's killed a few, especially when you consider how grossly inefficient Livestrong is. And anyway, as somebody else has pointed out, even if we forget about the income loss for other charities, Armstrong could have done way way better with his own charity. "Raising awareness" is only a euphemism for "promoting the Livestrong name," which results in increased traffic for the .org and .com websites (the first one raises more awareness and the second one makes Armstrong richer) and increased sales for the line of Nike Livestrong products (which also makes Armstrong richer).
 
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MarkvW said:
There's a difference between probable cause and prima facie that you may not understand. Prima facie evidence means facts sufficient to support a finding. Probable cause is something else. Probable cause is reasonable ground for a belief of guilt. They are not the same thing.

Read the discussion in ILLINOIS V GATES 462 US 235: "While an effort to fix some general, numerically precise degree of certainty corresponding to "probable cause" may not be helpful, it is clear that "only the probability, and not a prima facie showing, of criminal activity is the standard of probable cause."

Prima facie analysis is not in the mix, dude.
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You have really got your obfuscation mode turned to maximum here in fanboy desperation.

ILLINOIS V GATES 462 US 235 as an authority only related to an evolution of the legal interpretation of probable cause for the securing of a warrant for the search of suspect L. Gates' home.

The only ominous relevance in your selection is that Gates first or christian name is "Lance" who was being prosecuted for drug dealing. :)
 
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Hein Verbruggen said some interesting things in Dutch TV-show Holland Sport yesterday apparently. I didn't see it, but this dutch cycling site has a nice (dutch language) write up about it.
a quick google assisted translation:
Hein Verbruggen remains hopeful that Lance Armstrong is not guilty of doping during his active career. The honorary chairman of the international cycling union was nevertheless put to doubt by the recent allegations of Tyler Hamilton. "I keep hoping that it's not true, but it is getting harder," Verbruggen said the television program Holland Sport.
(then some rambling about how the UCI can't cover up doping tests)

The former president does not think doping issues in cycling will be resolved in the short term. "There is always someone "who urinates next to the pot". Methods always work better, but cheaters always remain. I continue to hope.
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DirtyWorks

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webvan said:
All good things come to an end :

"The blog http://facts4lance.wordpress.com was marked private by its owner. If you were invited to view this blog, please log in below. For more information about blog privacy settings, please visit our support site."
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My crackpot theory is it sucked up too many resources on a shared host so Wordpress shut them down.
 
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jackwolf said:
It would obviously be impossible to ascertain exactly how much money Livestrong has received that would have otherwise gone to real charities, but it's definitely more than zero. And if you accept the argument that by raising money for a cancer charity you save lives, then you also have to accept the argument that diverting money from much more efficient charities results in a loss of lives. So we're somewhere in between he's saved a few and he's killed a a few. You can't deny it's a possibility he's killed a few, especially when you consider how grossly inefficient Livestrong is. And anyway, as somebody else has pointed out, even if we forget about the income loss for other charities, Armstrong could have done way way better with his own charity. "Raising awareness" is only a euphemism for "promoting the Livestrong name," which results in increased traffic for the .org and .com websites (the first one raises more awareness and the second one makes Armstrong richer) and increased sales for the line of Nike Livestrong products (which also makes Armstrong richer).
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i know a guy who saw him eat a puppy. really......:rolleyes:
 
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I don't see how bandwidth would be an issue for a large service/hosting setup like wordpress.

Somebody shoot an email to one of the lawyers firm and get his para-legal on the case.
 
red_flanders

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DirtyWorks said:
My crackpot theory is it sucked up too many resources on a shared host so Wordpress shut them down.
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You're probably right. However, if I cared what people thought when coming to the link, it would be pretty easy to throw up a temp page stating something relevant about the status of the site 'till I got my WP issues sorted. 1/2 an hour of work.

The LA camp gets the press and PR they want on a given topic and then abandon their position later, not bothering to do much work covering their tracks. If anyone calls them on it they call the person "obsessed", "axe grinder", "bitter" or some other nonsense for simple follow up and put them on the blacklist.

I'd not be shocked if they just abandon the URL. It would fit the pattern.
 
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Hematide said:
Hein Verbruggen said some interesting things in Dutch TV-show Holland Sport yesterday apparently. I didn't see it, but this dutch cycling site has a nice (dutch language) write up about it.
a quick google assisted translation:
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One interesting thing Hein says in the interview is ( in response to why the UCI accepted LA's donations back then) that the UCI continues to fight doping using donations from the (pro-)cycling teams.
He says he finds this "very legitimate".
 
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