Official Lance Armstrong Thread **READ POST #1 BEFORE POSTING**

[Cal_Joe]

I am impressed at the longevity of this thread. Didn't think it would last this long.

Normally it wouldn't, but the "wash, rinse, repeat" factor has been quite impressive in extending this entertainment. Hats off to all!

 

[mewmewmew13]

For pete's sake...I wandered over to the Mod forum and things were all off kilter and buzzing. Now I head in this direction and more of the same...
must be a Friday night at the forum....
or Sat morn...or ???

But I did read the antics of @juanpelota on twitter...not cool.

 

[cyclelicious]

For pete's sake...I wandered over to the Mod forum and things were all off kilter and buzzing. Now I head in this direction and more of the same...
must be a Friday night at the forum....
or Sat morn...or ???

But I did read the antics of @juanpelota on twitter...not cool.

equally uncool is the person who started it, eh?

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

Amazing about how once a week or so this thread devolves into the gutter. It's almost to the point where it's no longer informative, but just a spray fest where people can come in and post anything from opinions to nonsense to insults.

I'd think some of you would know better and rise above it, maybe not. I guess I can handle the lack of substance, but when you reduce yourselves to baiting and insulting each other, it makes me wonder if I need to get the ban hammer out.

How many times am I going to have to post his before I just start banning people?

 

[Race Radio]

equally uncool is the person who started it, eh?

Ahhh, yes. The "He Started it" defense always holds up well in court.


Oh, Sorry....... you were referring to Lance. After all he "Started it" when he harassed Mike until he had a seizure and threatened multiple times to ruin his life.

 

[cyclelicious]

Ahhh, yes. The "He Started it" defense always holds up well in court.


Oh, Sorry....... you were referring to Lance. After all he "Started it" when he harassed Mike until he had a seizure and threatened multiple times to ruin his life.

Why steer away from the context of my reply to a selective comment made about a twitter tiff? You know perfectly well why and who I was replying to.

Sorry, but IMO indiscriminately vomiting verbal sludge on twitter says a lot about those individuals doing the spewing. Try as one might, there is NO way to spin and rationalize that. Why is it acceptable for Anderson and his merry band to troll Armstrong and not acceptable for Armstrong to reply? Seems a bit disingenuous to me. Reading the whole twit thread tells the story, not selectively referencing part to further a POV.

ALL players in this F level soap opera are complicit. No one is exempt.

 

[Berzin]

ALL players in this F level soap opera are complicit. No one is exempt.

That's YOUR opinion, meant to minimize the prime mover in all of this.

Nice try.

 

[Race Radio]

Why steer away from the context of my reply to a selective comment made about a twitter tiff? You know perfectly well why and who I was replying to.

Sorry, but IMO indiscriminately vomiting verbal sludge on twitter says a lot about those individuals doing the spewing. Try as one might, there is NO way to spin and rationalize that. Why is it acceptable for Anderson and his merry band to troll Armstrong and not acceptable for Armstrong to reply? Seems a bit disingenuous to me. Reading the whole twit thread tells the story, not selectively referencing part to further a POV.

ALL players in this F level soap opera are complicit. No one is exempt.

To pretend that this is limited to a twitter exchange is absurd. What Lance did to Anderson is inexcusable. He harassed and berated him repeatedly. He filed baseless lawsuits in order to intimidate him. His groupie fans joined in on the harassment until Mike eventually moved New Zealand to escape it. Then Armstrong took Mikes ideas and designs for a different kind of shop and opened Mellow Johnny's.

Only one person in the exchange is the target of a Federal investigation. That persons lawyers need to get him to shut up and stop digging his hole deeper

 

[powerste]

To pretend that this is limited to a twitter exchange is absurd. What Lance did to Anderson is inexcusable. He harassed and berated him repeatedly. He filed baseless lawsuits in order to intimidate him. His groupie fans joined in on the harassment until Mike eventually moved New Zealand to escape it. Then Armstrong took Mikes ideas and designs for a different kind of shop and opened Mellow Johnny's.

To argue that anyone in this sordid mess remotely rises to Armstrong's level is absurd. If Mike did bait him - and who knows why - as you point out, that's nothing compared to LA's behavior.

Only one person in the exchange is the target of a Federal investigation. That persons lawyers need to get him to shut up and stop digging his hole deeper

Ego trumps brains every time...bad for civility (as if it was ever LA's strong point anyway), but great for entertainment value!

 

[Polish]

How many times am I going to have to post this before I just start banning people?

Seven times?
One Two Three Four Five Six Seven.
People would get the message for sure

 

[nevada]

that Lance fella seems such a nice bloke !

http://www.scribd.com/doc/24714560/Michael-Anderson-s-Testimony-On-Lance-Armstrong-Doping

 

[MD FACG FACP]

Why steer away from the context of my reply to a selective comment made about a twitter tiff? You know perfectly well why and who I was replying to.

Sorry, but IMO indiscriminately vomiting verbal sludge on twitter says a lot about those individuals doing the spewing. Try as one might, there is NO way to spin and rationalize that. Why is it acceptable for Anderson and his merry band to troll Armstrong and not acceptable for Armstrong to reply? Seems a bit disingenuous to me. Reading the whole twit thread tells the story, not selectively referencing part to further a POV.

ALL players in this F level soap opera are complicit. No one is exempt.

That's exactly what Lance does. What a Delta Bravo.

 

[Velodude]

that Lance fella seems such a nice bloke !

http://www.scribd.com/doc/24714560/Michael-Anderson-s-Testimony-On-Lance-Armstrong-Doping

Nice to re-read Anderson's grievances against his psychopathic employer, Lance Edward Armstrong.

The release that LA attempted Mike Anderson to sign included releasing "Tailwind Sports Corp".

This is the corporation that owned the US Postal Team and Armstrong claimed he was limited to nothing more than a mere team employee. No ownership, no directorship.

To include Tailwind Sports in a release means that LA is required to have an interest in Tailwind Sports so that corporation has standing before the courts (locus standi) to be joined with LA in any legal redress.

 

[Berzin]

I'm a bit lost here. What are these offending tweets? Are they recent or just stuff from past weeks or months?

And why are they pertinent?

 

[Velodude]

I'm a bit lost here. What are these offending tweets? Are they recent or just stuff from past weeks or months?

And why are they pertinent?

http://twitter.com/#!/juanpelota

Armstrong's alter ego.

Edit: They are recent and are attempting to offend his former pa, Mike Anderson, who lives and works in New Zealand after LA, allegedly, made life difficult for him in US.

 

[MacRoadie]

And why are they pertinent?

Well, since Anderson has already given sworn testimony as to the discovery of steroids in Armstrong's apartment and has recounted the conversation wherein Armstrong discussed Johan Museeuw's doping violation, added to the fact that Tailwind Sports was included in the confidentiality agreement, all would suggest that there is at least a reasonable suspicion that Anderson could be called to testify before the GJ, or at time of trial.

From United States Code § 1512. Tampering with a witness, victim, or an informant

(b) Whoever knowingly uses intimidation, threatens, or corruptly persuades another person, or attempts to do so, or engages in misleading conduct toward another person, with intent to—
(1) influence, delay, or prevent the testimony of any person in an official proceeding;

(2) cause or induce any person to—
(A) withhold testimony, or withhold a record, document, or other object, from an official proceeding;

(B) alter, destroy, mutilate, or conceal an object with intent to impair the object’s integrity or availability for use in an official proceeding;

(C) evade legal process summoning that person to appear as a witness, or to produce a record, document, or other object, in an official proceeding; or

(D) be absent from an official proceeding to which such person has been summoned by legal process; or

(3) hinder, delay, or prevent the communication to a law enforcement officer or judge of the United States of information relating to the commission or possible commission of a Federal offense or a violation of conditions of probation [1] supervised release,,[1] parole, or release pending judicial proceedings;

shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 20 years, or both.

(c) Whoever corruptly—
(1) alters, destroys, mutilates, or conceals a record, document, or other object, or attempts to do so, with the intent to impair the object’s integrity or availability for use in an official proceeding; or

(2) otherwise obstructs, influences, or impedes any official proceeding, or attempts to do so,

shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 20 years, or both.

(d) Whoever intentionally harasses another person and thereby hinders, delays, prevents, or dissuades any person from—
(1) attending or testifying in an official proceeding;

(2) reporting to a law enforcement officer or judge of the United States the commission or possible commission of a Federal offense or a violation of conditions of probation [1] supervised release,,[1] parole, or release pending judicial proceedings;

(3) arresting or seeking the arrest of another person in connection with a Federal offense; or

(4) causing a criminal prosecution, or a parole or probation revocation proceeding, to be sought or instituted, or assisting in such prosecution or proceeding;

or attempts to do so, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 3 years, or both.

(e) In a prosecution for an offense under this section, it is an affirmative defense, as to which the defendant has the burden of proof by a preponderance of the evidence, that the conduct consisted solely of lawful conduct and that the defendant’s sole intention was to encourage, induce, or cause the other person to testify truthfully.
(f) For the purposes of this section—
(1) an official proceeding need not be pending or about to be instituted at the time of the offense; and

(2) the testimony, or the record, document, or other object need not be admissible in evidence or free of a claim of privilege.

§ 1512. Tampering with a witness, victim, or an informant

Pay special mind to (f)(1) at the bottom (underlined).

 

[Race Radio]

Well, since Anderson has already given sworn testimony as to the discovery of steroids in Armstrong's apartment and has recounted the conversation wherein Armstrong discussed Johan Museeuw's doping violation, added to the fact that Tailwind Sports was included in the confidentiality agreement, all would suggest that there is at least a reasonable suspicion that Anderson could be called to testify before the GJ, or at time of trial.

From United States Code § 1512. Tampering with a witness, victim, or an informant



§ 1512. Tampering with a witness, victim, or an informant

Pay special mind to (f)(1) at the bottom (underlined).

His intimidation can also play an important role in any SOL reset.

 

[jackwolf]

Only one person in the exchange is the target of a Federal investigation. That persons lawyers need to get him to shut up and stop digging his hole deeper

We can safely assume they had a good chat with him after the Caché Caché incident, but he's obviously not listening. Seems to me he's acting like he's got nothing left to lose or that he just can't handle the wait. I say let him carry on, don't take the spade away from him.

 

[Polish]

It is such a shame Lance will not be taking the stand.
We will miss out on so much....

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[Velodude]

It is such a shame Lance will not be taking the stand.
We will miss out on so much....
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A selection of a screen/nick name does not justify cyber bullying against that person, Polish. Very lame.

Some states have laws against cyber bullying. It is proposed to enact Federal law to make cyber bullying a criminal offense.

Your hero needs serious and urgent counselling.

 

[Cal_Joe]

A selection of a screen/nick name does not justify cyber bullying against that person, Polish. Very lame.

Some states have laws against cyber bullying. It is proposed to enact Federal law to make cyber bullying a criminal offense.

Your hero needs serious and urgent counselling.

If you are referencing the Megan Meier Cyberbullying Prevention Act or the Tyler Clementi Higher Education Anti-Harassment Act, the former died a slow death in US Congress, and the latter applies to University/College issues regarding "race, color, national origin, sex, disability, sexual orientation, gender identity, or religion". That second bill appears to have US detractors based on free speech issues.

I admit I may not be totally up to speed on CB legislation - are there links to other pending US Federal legislation?

 

[MarkvW]

To include Tailwind Sports in a release means that LA is required to have an interest in Tailwind Sports so that corporation has standing before the courts (locus standi) to be joined with LA in any legal redress.

That doctrine is only applicable in a parallel universe where word meaning, grammar, and legal doctrine are established by autistic zombie monkeys.

 

[Velodude]

That doctrine is only applicable in a parallel universe where word meaning, grammar, and legal doctrine are established by autistic zombie monkeys.

As there is no smiley what is your point, resident legal expert?

That Armstrong can additionally join his employer, Tailwind Sports t/a US Postal Cycling Team, against Michael Anderson in any future litigation arising out of their private master/servant relationship settlement and release agreement even though Armstrong claims to hold no stock or shares or directorship in Tailwind Sports at that time?

 

[Race Radio]

It is such a shame Lance will not be taking the stand.
We will miss out on so much....

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If you read the Anderson complaint you will see there is a pattern of intimidation that goes back much farther then this twitter exchange. Interesting how it includes many of the same threats he used on Tyler.

 

[MarkvW]

As there is no smiley what is your point, resident legal expert?

That Armstrong can additionally join his employer, Tailwind Sports t/a US Postal Cycling Team, against Michael Anderson in any future litigation arising out of their private master/servant relationship settlement and release agreement even though Armstrong claims to hold no stock or shares or directorship in Tailwind Sports at that time?

The primary point was that the sentence I quoted in the previous post doesn't make any sense at all.

Apparently you have a knowledge of the terms of the contract between Armstrong and Anderson. Where can those terms be found? Without knowledge of the contract's terms, a reasonable opinion of the scope of that contract cannot be formed.