Official Lance Armstrong Thread **READ POST #1 BEFORE POSTING**

[BullsFan22]

I would love for them to throw the kitchen sink at Armstrong, but something tells me he'll get off pretty easy. Kind of like Barry Bonds. He'll probably get nothing more than a slap on the wrist. I sincerely hope this doesn't happen, but I have a funny feeling it will.

 

[spetsa]

Did you actually read the posts that prompted her comments?

Yes, I certainly did. I do not disagree with her fundamentally. My problem is with the consistent use of particular language, which does absolutely nothing in regards to establishing a sense of authority that is based on respect. It does quite the opposite. IMO.

 

[Cimacoppi49]

I would love for them to throw the kitchen sink at Armstrong, but something tells me he'll get off pretty easy. Kind of like Barry Bonds. He'll probably get nothing more than a slap on the wrist. I sincerely hope this doesn't happen, but I have a funny feeling it will.

Barry didn't dip into the public trough like Armstrong and friends. I think he's going to get slapped, but not on the wrist.

 

[fatandfast]

To summarize:
Lance has never been caught. Lots of people continue to believe in Lance. George hasn't spoken to the media.

Each of those statements are true, but they don't really disturb the fact known to most informed unbiased cycling fans--Lance doped. Why else, then is Lance under investigation and why are Frankie, Betsy, Tyler and Floyd saying he doped? Why the continued association with Ferrari, the biggest current doping doctor of them all--banned from the sport. And what about the Simeoni incident?

wow that is short and sweet. Informed unbiased fans are cheering him at events all over the world. Fans will also cheer him and his message at the UN. Don't know about what Betsy does for exercise but I am assuming that she has done nothing professionally that would require PED use or the hiding of it. The other athletes mentioned all used PEDs and lied about it for a number of years. Simeoni found himself on the end of a physical act not unlike Contador rec'd from Vald Karpets a swift blow that hurt. Ferrari is banned but not by everybody, simply untrue and inconsistent with with findings in a court of law

 

[Stingray34]

wow that is short and sweet. Informed unbiased fans are cheering him at events all over the world. Fans will also cheer him and his message at the UN. Don't know about what Betsy does for exercise but I am assuming that she has done nothing professionally that would require PED use or the hiding of it. The other athletes mentioned all used PEDs and lied about it for a number of years. Simeoni found himself on the end of a physical act not unlike Contador rec'd from Vald Karpets a swift blow that hurt. Ferrari is banned but not by everybody, simply untrue and inconsistent with with findings in a court of law

That is the cattiest thing I've read in a while.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

That is the cattiest thing I've read in a while.

True, but its all they have.

Actually to help F&F out how about a new talking point -yes, Lance took PEDs, the more he took the more he did for cancer.
So the more PEDs he took the better.

 

[MarkvW]

wow that is short and sweet. Informed unbiased fans are cheering him at events all over the world. Fans will also cheer him and his message at the UN. Don't know about what Betsy does for exercise but I am assuming that she has done nothing professionally that would require PED use or the hiding of it. The other athletes mentioned all used PEDs and lied about it for a number of years. Simeoni found himself on the end of a physical act not unlike Contador rec'd from Vald Karpets a swift blow that hurt. Ferrari is banned but not by everybody, simply untrue and inconsistent with with findings in a court of law

So, Lance is a doper, beloved by many.

 

[MarkvW]

True - but what have these people ever done for cancer?

Reminds me of the Hawaiian christian missionaries. They came to Hawaii to do good and they did very, very well.

 

[mewmewmew13]

Oh gee, he's done SO much good for EVERYONE that I think we should just give him a free pass on all of his fraudulent and illegal activities.
Don't you think ??
He just seems so NICE and is so well-liked.

 

[Velodude]

George may not be a big deal in Europe but in the US he sells a fair amount of sportswear and cycling clothing. He and his company are playing an every growing role in some development teams and races. He has interests to protect and an admission of lying and collusion for most of his career would be very damaging for him as well . His skin is hardly saved by pushing Armstrong under the bus.
The unhappy Huffington Post link is another example of Armstrong growing and reaching people outside of cycling circles. He has found but yet another venue to publish his positive message. Further growing like a starfish. Accused doper in one circle, motivational, super boy in another. He says he has 28 million people who he connects with on one issue and who knows how many he has disconnected on another. From his writings and actions it would appear that he is riding away from pro cycling as fast as he rode while within it.
When and if he goes to court he will have a long track record of doing and saying things of an innocent man rather than the 99% almost in jail doper that lots of people have written him off to be. I hope Novitzky is logging in some serious OT because Pharmstrong sure is. Even if he is doing everything out of guilt, you can't deny he is a hard worker

"When and if he goes to court he will have a long track record of doing and saying things of an innocent man"

FatandFast, where in the prospective criminal proceedings will his defense counsel be able to air the offsetting deeds that make him good citizen Lance?

I can tell you. Only after the guilty verdict of the jury in sentencing submissions to the court by his defense counsel to plead for a reduced sentence.

But if the IRS find that LA had his snout in the Livestrong trough and it forms part of the prosecution's case ...... bad & naughty citizen Lance.

 

[thehog]

There was a time when a Lance letter would appear in Vanity Fair.

...and now? The Huffington Post! Seriously? That's some come down.

 

[mewmewmew13]

George may not be a big deal in Europe but in the US he sells a fair amount of sportswear and cycling clothing. He and his company are playing an every growing role in some development teams and races. He has interests to protect and an admission of lying and collusion for most of his career would be very damaging for him as well . His skin is hardly saved by pushing Armstrong under the bus.
The unhappy Huffington Post link is another example of Armstrong growing and reaching people outside of cycling circles. He has found but yet another venue to publish his positive message. Further growing like a starfish. Accused doper in one circle, motivational, super boy in another. He says he has 28 million people who he connects with on one issue and who knows how many he has disconnected on another. From his writings and actions it would appear that he is riding away from pro cycling as fast as he rode while within it.
When and if he goes to court he will have a long track record of doing and saying things of an innocent man rather than the 99% almost in jail doper that lots of people have written him off to be. I hope Novitzky is logging in some serious OT because Pharmstrong sure is. Even if he is doing everything out of guilt, you can't deny he is a hard worker

He certainly is a hard worker...aka 'control freak'. You have to be vigilant and you can't let anyone get anything past you.

As to his non-stop 'work'...he pays others to do his bidding.

 

[Cimacoppi49]

There was a time when a Lance letter would appear in Vanity Fair.

...and now? The Huffington Post! Seriously? That's some come down.

VF will cover the whole sordid mess once he's indicted. A friend in NYC tells me that they are likely already at work on it. I have a contact at the New Yorker and will check with him as well.

 

[mewmewmew13]

VF will cover the whole sordid mess once he's indicted. A friend in NYC tells me that they are likely already at work on it. I have a contact at the New Yorker and will check with him as well.

Too bad Dominick Dunne is not still around. He would have done an excellent job.
The Hitch too.

 

[JMBeaushrimp]

Wow! All this to-and-fro is getting really boring...

 

[Cal_Joe]

Wow! All this to-and-fro is getting really boring...

Time for the usual wash, rinse, repeat to keep this from dropping off the first page.

 

[Cloxxki]

He certainly is a hard worker...aka 'control freak'. You have to be vigilant and you can't let anyone get anything past you.

As to his non-stop 'work'...he pays others to do his bidding.

Bidding? Or praying?

 

[Stingray34]

Too bad Dominick Dunne is not still around. He would have done an excellent job.
The Hitch too.

Martin Amis would do it justice, and give us a laugh as well.

The characters in his novels are, oxymoronically, well-rounded and complex caricatures...sounds exactly like the subject at hand.

 

[GoneWithTailWind]

Bidding? Or praying?

Are these not synonymous for you (you're Dutch aren't you?)?

: )

 

[fatandfast]

So, Lance is a doper, beloved by many.

incorrect. Lance is an accused doper. Landis, Hamilton are convicted dopers and Andreu is an admitted doper without due process necessary. And the math is on Lance's side so far, more people love him than hate him(unofficial survey)

 

[Benotti69]

incorrect. Lance is an accused doper. Landis, Hamilton are convicted dopers and Andreu is an admitted doper without due process necessary. And the math is on Lance's side so far, more people love him than hate him(unofficial survey)

Unofficial survey of all public stratagies interns anyway

 

[Velodude]

incorrect. Lance is an accused doper. Landis, Hamilton are convicted dopers and Andreu is an admitted doper without due process necessary. And the math is on Lance's side so far, more people love him than hate him(unofficial survey)

More people loved Bill Clinton than hated him (approval average 55.1%) but a grand jury found in favor of impeachment, he was impeached by Congress but saved on partisan party lines in the Senate (requiring a 75%+ majority).

BTW, Lance is a doper. He failed the doping control for corticoids in 1999.

 

[fatandfast]

More people loved Bill Clinton than hated him (approval average 55.1%) but a grand jury found in favor of impeachment, he was impeached by Congress but saved on partisan party lines in the Senate (requiring a 75%+ majority).

BTW, Lance is a doper. He failed the doping control for corticoids in 1999.

I guess my chamois sniffin's skills are not what they should be. I thought that they found that the bag cream used was the source of the positive test. Was that sentence served 30 or 40 days at a time over the length of his career during the off season?
To compare Armstrong w the Pres. of the US is a serious upgrade.
The process that Clinton was hammered over and the Armstrong tribunal are very different. Clinton had man gravy on a dress, Lance had a trace amount of sack soak in a test that didn't register over the limit. Lance's court is primarily a wave of doubt and hate rained down upon him by the crashing waves of the world wide web. I hope you are right about the Bill-Lance similarity. Clinton is still one of the most popular US Presidents of all time.Lance will be lucky to be half as popular . I think you meant to say he had a near positive in 99

 

[MacRoadie]

I guess my chamois sniffin's skills are not what they should be. I thought that they found that the bag cream used was the source of the positive test.

Wrong.

They didn't find the "source", Armstrong provided it for them with his trumped up TUE for some mystery cream, and subsequent bogus prescription.

"You tested positive for corticosteroids"
"Oh, um...um...I used some cream on my taint."
"Do you have a TUE for that?"
"Oh, um...um...yeah, yeah I do. I have it here somewhere...hang on".

No one ever saw this mystery cream, nor could they difinitively prove that the cream was the source (as if the UCI really wanted to).

They had a positive test for corticosteroids and Armstrong came up with a piece of paper that offered them a convenient explanation.

 

[MarkvW]

incorrect. Lance is an accused doper. Landis, Hamilton are convicted dopers and Andreu is an admitted doper without due process necessary. And the math is on Lance's side so far, more people love him than hate him(unofficial survey)

You are funny. "He hasn't been convicted" and "he is widely loved" might be enough to convince the credulous, but nobody else. Enjoy your love of Lance!