Official Lance Armstrong Thread **READ POST #1 BEFORE POSTING**

[thehog]

Cannot believe some of you guys take the bait so easily. Hope rides again indeed.

 

[JRTinMA]

Wrong.

They didn't find the "source", Armstrong provided it for them with his trumped up TUE for some mystery cream, and subsequent bogus prescription.

"You tested positive for corticosteroids"
"Oh, um...um...I used some cream on my taint."
"Do you have a TUE for that?"
"Oh, um...um...yeah, yeah I do. I have it here somewhere...hang on".

No one ever saw this mystery cream, nor could they difinitively prove that the cream was the source (as if the UCI really wanted to).

They had a positive test for corticosteroids and Armstrong came up with a piece of paper that offered them a convenient explanation.

All the greats have had backdated TUEs. I wouldn't respect him as a doped up winner if he didn't.

 

[Cloxxki]

incorrect. Lance is an accused doper. Landis, Hamilton are convicted dopers and Andreu is an admitted doper without due process necessary. And the math is on Lance's side so far, more people love him than hate him(unofficial survey)

Show me one person who likes, not even loves Lance. And I'll show you 2 cancer suffferers who hate his guts. If internet would have "dislike" buttons without cencoring, he'd be offline as fast as you can say Master of Disaster.

 

[Velodude]

All the greats have had backdated TUEs. I wouldn't respect him as a doped up winner if he didn't.

No, it wasn't a backdated TUE but only a backdated prescription. TUE's require an advance procedure so cannot be backdated unless the UCI enters into a conspiracy. Lance had already told a media gathering he had no TUE's before the exposure.

The product on the backdated prescription was a corticoid of Spanish manufacture. Having only dubious Spanish doctors on the team they could not urgently create a French prescription for a French corticoid.

The corticoid was not on the exemptions granted to US Postal for import into France. It never existed amongst US Postal's medicine chest as a topical cream for external skin rashes.

Lance was caught by a late addition of the corticoid to the banned list and still had in his system an injectable corticoid from the previous race.

 

[fatandfast]

Show me one person who likes, not even loves Lance. And I'll show you 2 cancer suffferers who hate his guts. If internet would have "dislike" buttons without cencoring, he'd be offline as fast as you can say Master of Disaster.

many things are certain while discussing Armstrong on and off the bike. First he won many races and did not find himself the subject of a positive test like other top finishers. He went on to create folklore while overcoming a deadly fate and again by winning more races. All the conjecture while soothing to those who gulp the Koolaid can't change the outcome. Won the races it's recorded ,it's history.

As far as some of his off and semi-off bike ventures he has again made history. The monies received at his organizations are legal tender not game chips or monopoly money but real usable currency from around the world. So while it may be true that many loathe him .He is cycling's porn parallel, where it makes millions but everybody denies that they like it, while consuming it at a sweaty pace. Somebody likes Lance.
I have not sent him a centavo but somebody did today. Why must we deny that the guy is selling FRS,cell phones and electric cars and tasteless beer, he is and is doing it successfully. His bank account is the barometer. He sells rubber bands which cost a fraction of a cent, uses the money for overhead and additional propaganda and the cycle continue. It's like the only book Lance read was McCormack's epic What They Don't Teach You In Harvard Business School.

The assertion that he is not in demand and that his income does not continue to grow because of his actions while on and off the bike may be empowering to people that can't stand him, I understand. It's like an Adam Sandler movie that keeps getting panned by the critics, no form of art let alone high art. But both guys barely have time to spend the money from the cashed checks. Why are people still giving both guys barrel fulls of loot when everything they do is doodoo? Pretty simple people have an emotional opinion and an economic one, people can wish Lance to vaporize but all the wish in the world can't change history

 

[Velodude]

many things are certain while discussing Armstrong on and off the bike. First he won many races and did not find himself the subject of a positive test like other top finishers. He went on to create folklore while overcoming a deadly fate and again by winning more races. All the conjecture while soothing to those who gulp the Koolaid can't change the outcome. Won the races it's recorded ,it's history.

As far as some of his off and semi-off bike ventures he has again made history. The monies received at his organizations are legal tender not game chips or monopoly money but real usable currency from around the world. So while it may be true that many loathe him .He is cycling's porn parallel, where it makes millions but everybody denies that they like it, while consuming it at a sweaty pace. Somebody likes Lance.
I have not sent him a centavo but somebody did today. Why must we deny that the guy is selling FRS,cell phones and electric cars and tasteless beer, he is and is doing it successfully. His bank account is the barometer. He sells rubber bands which cost a fraction of a cent, uses the money for overhead and additional propaganda and the cycle continue. It's like the only book Lance read was McCormack's epic What They Don't Teach You In Harvard Business School.

The assertion that he is not in demand and that his income does not continue to grow because of his actions while on and off the bike may be empowering to people that can't stand him, I understand. It's like an Adam Sandler movie that keeps getting panned by the critics, no form of art let alone high art. But both guys barely have time to spend the money from the cashed checks. Why are people still giving both guys barrel fulls of loot when everything they do is doodoo? Pretty simple people have an emotional opinion and an economic one, people can wish Lance to vaporize but all the wish in the world can't change history

FatandFast, your adoration of false idol Lance Armstrong has you in breach of the First Commandment.

FatandFast wrote:
"Won the races it's recorded ,it's history."

History can be changed with the UCI anti doping rules.

If the US Federal Court determines through an non qualitative anlaysis that LA doped then the UCI would be obligated to strip him of any race wins during the statute of limitations period. Prepare to see LA as the winner of reduced 5 TdFs with an asterisk against those 5 victories.

 

[Berzin]

If the US Federal Court determines through an non qualitative analysis that LA doped then the UCI would be obligated to strip him of any race wins during the statute of limitations period. Prepare to see LA as the winner of reduced 5 TdFs with an asterisk against those 5 victories.

The statute of limitations is only a bureaucratic technicality.

Armstrong will never be able to walk amongst the other grand tour winners or have his picture taken with the likes of Merckx and Indurain due to his monumental fraud.

He will never be invited to another Tour presentation ceremony and show his face anywhere near that race ever again.

His name may remain in the record books (with or without an asterisk), but he will be persona non grata at any event symbolizing the Tour.

 

[MarkvW]

The statute of limitations is only a bureaucratic technicality.

Armstrong will never be able to walk amongst the other grand tour winners or have his picture taken with the likes of Merckx and Indurain due to his monumental fraud.

He will never be invited to another Tour presentation ceremony and show his face anywhere near that race ever again.

His name may remain in the record books (with or without an asterisk), but he will be persona non grata at any event symbolizing the Tour.

I think Lance walks with Merckx all the time. They're good friends. They are two of the most hypercompetitive people on the planet. Never seen anything negative regards him and Indurain, either.

Everything you say about Lance you could also say about Alpuerto Dopador.

 

[MarkvW]

FatandFast, your adoration of false idol Lance Armstrong has you in breach of the First Commandment.



History can be changed with the UCI anti doping rules.

If the US Federal Court determines through an non qualitative anlaysis that LA doped then the UCI would be obligated to strip him of any race wins during the statute of limitations period. Prepare to see LA as the winner of reduced 5 TdFs with an asterisk against those 5 victories.

I don't see the point in arguing with fatso about LanceLove. The love is real and it is huge (although many haters here can't bear to acknowledge it). The love is also blind, but hey: Who's perfect?"

 

[Berzin]

I don't see the point in arguing with fatso about LanceLove. The love is real and it is huge (although many haters here can't bear to acknowledge it). The love is also blind, but hey: Who's perfect?"

Quite Polish-esque there, Mark.

What's the matter? Running out of talking points to twist around like a pretzel so now you're resorting to utter nonsense?

 

[MarkvW]

Quite Polish-esque there, Mark.

What's the matter? Running out of talking points to twist around like a pretzel o now you're resorting to utter nonsense?

Fabiani didn't pay me this week.

 

[thehog]

The statute of limitations is only a bureaucratic technicality.

Armstrong will never be able to walk amongst the other grand tour winners or have his picture taken with the likes of Merckx and Indurain due to his monumental fraud.

He will never be invited to another Tour presentation ceremony and show his face anywhere near that race ever again.

His name may remain in the record books (with or without an asterisk), but he will be persona non grata at any event symbolizing the Tour.

I'm with you. Distinct from any other winner/doper Armstrong built his appeal on being "clean" and defending his honour against the French and the Euro's who couldn't stand him being the winner. Being "clean" was part of Armstrong's marketing appeal. Now that's been shattered he's got no where to go. He still gets offers from large publications but they all want to talk about the doping and now he can't come out with the same rhetoric due to the legal implications. He's become a joke and you're hardly going to invite him anywhere in relation to the Tour. The man is destined to spend his days doing crumby charity rides. A very big come down.

 

[JRTinMA]

No, it wasn't a backdated TUE but only a backdated prescription. TUE's require an advance procedure so cannot be backdated unless the UCI enters into a conspiracy. Lance had already told a media gathering he had no TUE's before the exposure.

The product on the backdated prescription was a corticoid of Spanish manufacture. Having only dubious Spanish doctors on the team they could not urgently create a French prescription for a French corticoid.

The corticoid was not on the exemptions granted to US Postal for import into France. It never existed amongst US Postal's medicine chest as a topical cream for external skin rashes.

Lance was caught by a late addition of the corticoid to the banned list and still had in his system an injectable corticoid from the previous race.

Whatever, the greatest tour champion ever had a TUE. He's still the greatest even if he only won 5.

 

[Velodude]

Whatever, the greatest tour champion ever had a TUE. He's still the greatest even if he only won 5.

No, he would be equal to the Big 4 (Anquetil, Merckx, Hinault & Indurain) on 5 victories.

He would have to change his brash Twitter identification for his alter ego, Juan Pelota:

"Grew up idolizing The Big 4. They used to call me Junior. Retired. Raisin' 5 kids. I swim, I bike, I run. I travel. I fight cancer. And I like cold beer."

Merckx is still the greatest. Won 50% of all his races. Entered all grand tours. Did not limit himself to one season's showing (TdF) like your idol.

 

[Polish]

So, a few days back Grayson Schaffer, the Senior Editor of Outside magazine tweeted the following:

Judge Jacqueline Nguyen has ruled on @lancearmstrong's motion to see parts of the govt's wouldbe case against him. The ruling is ... secret.
28 Sep

https://twitter.com/#!/GraysonSchaffer

The ruling is secret....
So how did Grayson find out about it?
Or is this just a hoax - no ruling took place?

If there were a ruling, certainly it would not be kept secret from Lance right?
"I made a ruling on your motion - but I am not going to tell you how I ruled"
A Judge can not do that right?

Anyway, remember back when Floyd dropped some bombshells via Outside magazine - he telegraphed it by making multiple tweets mentioning the word "Outside"
"Going OUTSIDE to wash the car"
or "Taking Beezer OUTSIDE for a walk"
etc etc etc.

What do you think of Lance's tweet a few days ago?
Is Lance pulling a Floyd lol?
Again, how did Grayson find out about the ruling?

Anyone else in Austin, TX looking outside, seeing those dark clouds building, and saying please rain ?!?!?
29 Sep

 

[Oldman]

So, a few days back Grayson Schaffer, the Senior Editor of Outside magazine tweeted the following:


https://twitter.com/#!/GraysonSchaffer

The ruling is secret....
So how did Grayson find out about it?
Or is this just a hoax - no ruling took place?

If there were a ruling, certainly it would not be kept secret from Lance right?
"I made a ruling on your motion - but I am not going to tell you how I ruled"
A Judge can not do that right?

Anyway, remember back when Floyd dropped some bombshells via Outside magazine - he telegraphed it by making multiple tweets mentioning the word "Outside"
"Going OUTSIDE to wash the car"
or "Taking Beezer OUTSIDE for a walk"
etc etc etc.

What do you think of Lance's tweet a few days ago?
Is Lance pulling a Floyd lol?
Again, how did Grayson find out about the ruling?

He found out because Lance said he hadn't heard any bad news. If there was bad news it would be a secret. Logical, yes?

 

[Berzin]

He would be equal to the Big 4 (Anquetil, Merckx, Hinault & Indurain) on 5 victories.

This is what I'm saying. He WON'T be on equal footing to the other riders who've won five Tours.

You know when they have presentations with the five Tour winners present? Armstrong won't be able to stand with those cats. Not after it comes out that he was blood doping and taking all those drugs.

To win those tours he HAD to take doping to such unprecedented lengths, and that won't wash with the general cycling public. Not when all the details become public knowledge.

 

[Polish]

This is what I'm saying. He WON'T be on equal footing to the other riders who've won five Tours.
.

Sorry berzin, you are wrong.
No offense though....

http://www.cyclinghalloffame.com/riders/alltime100.asp

1. Eddy Merckx, BEL
2. Bernard Hinault, FRA
3. Lance Armstrong, USA
4. Jacques Anquetil, FRA
5. Fausto Coppi, ITA
6. Miguel Indurain, ESP
7. Gino Bartali, ITA
8. Felice Gimondi, ITA
9. Louison Bobet, FRA
10. Greg Lemond, USA
11. Alberto Contador, ESP
12. Joop Zoetemelk, HOL
13. Alfredo Binda, ITA
14. Jan Ullrich, GER
15. Francesco Moser, ITA
16. Laurent Fignon, FRA
17. Sean Kelly, IRE
18. Rik Van Looy, BEL
19. Raymond Poulidor, FRA
20. Jan Janssen, HOL
21. Philippe Thys, FRA
22. Lucien Van Impe, BEL
23. Charly Gaul, LUX
24. Antonin Magne, FRA
25. Nicolas Frantz, LUX

 

[Random Direction]

interpretation of future tense as present obviates Polish's dill pickle obfuscation...

 

[alberto.legstrong]

Enough. Stop that train of thought, please.

Susan

Seriously? Stop a train of thought? Did you actually say that?

 

[Cimacoppi49]

Sorry berzin, you are wrong.
No offense though....

http://www.cyclinghalloffame.com/riders/alltime100.asp

1. Eddy Merckx, BEL
2. Bernard Hinault, FRA
3. Lance Armstrong, USA
4. Jacques Anquetil, FRA
5. Fausto Coppi, ITA
6. Miguel Indurain, ESP
7. Gino Bartali, ITA
8. Felice Gimondi, ITA
9. Louison Bobet, FRA
10. Greg Lemond, USA
11. Alberto Contador, ESP
12. Joop Zoetemelk, HOL
13. Alfredo Binda, ITA
14. Jan Ullrich, GER
15. Francesco Moser, ITA
16. Laurent Fignon, FRA
17. Sean Kelly, IRE
18. Rik Van Looy, BEL
19. Raymond Poulidor, FRA
20. Jan Janssen, HOL
21. Philippe Thys, FRA
22. Lucien Van Impe, BEL
23. Charly Gaul, LUX
24. Antonin Magne, FRA
25. Nicolas Frantz, LUX

In the 1980s Mirroir du Cyclisme did a ranking based on points for certain races. Before Armstrong's time, but I doubt he would have made the top 20 using their methodology.

 

[JRTinMA]

No, he would be equal to the Big 4 (Anquetil, Merckx, Hinault & Indurain) on 5 victories.

He would have to change his brash Twitter identification for his alter ego, Juan Pelota:

"Grew up idolizing The Big 4. They used to call me Junior. Retired. Raisin' 5 kids. I swim, I bike, I run. I travel. I fight cancer. And I like cold beer."

Merckx is still the greatest. Won 50% of all his races. Entered all grand tours. Did not limit himself to one season's showing (TdF) like your idol.

I don't have a clue what point you are making. I said TOUR champion and I believe that the greatest champion is Indurain, he also had a backdated TUE, big deal it doesn't change a thing.

 

[Benotti69]

interpretation of future tense as present obviates Polish's dill pickle obfuscation...

Post of the month Bravo sir

 

[Race Radio]

Babble

Pretty sure he heard about from someone close to the case.....Kristen Armstrong?

 

[Velodude]

incorrect. Lance is an accused doper. Landis, Hamilton are convicted dopers and Andreu is an admitted doper without due process necessary. And the math is on Lance's side so far, more people love him than hate him(unofficial survey)

Here are the results of a public poll

Poll: Do you think Lance Armstrong took banned performance-enhancing drugs?

Yes, I'm certain he did......................................................................46%

Don't know, there's a chance he did, but I hope not..........................33%

No. If guilty, he would not have returned in 09 to face more testing...19%

So, fatandfast, your dubious "unofficial survey" must have used loaded questions to extract the positive result. Love is not synonymous with cheating.