Official Lance Armstrong thread

[Anonymous]

It's funny to see how every time Lance pulls one of his trademark asshole moves the fanboys run to defend him highlighting his work against cancer. Just because he is a good philantropist doesn't mean he is not a prick or a shitty teammate or both.

He isn't even a good philanthropist, just look at the stats on his charity. People would be better served to go give their one dollar for their yellow bracelet to someone in the hospital who has cancer.

I am so tired of people thinking just because an *** got testicular cancer, it turns him into a hero. It is maddening.

 

[whiteboytrash]

You seem to have plenty of time to be on the internet, how 'bout you throw in some research time to be armed with facts, other than nonsensical drivel. See what they truly fund, then come back when you have your head out of your a$$

This is, like, I don't know, the 100th time, like totally the 100th time I've posted this.... I rest my case. Loser. Don't ever challenge me to the facts again. Guess I won't be hearing from you again ?
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The truth of the "foundation":

Firstly, despite the claims of some, the LAF does not make any significant contribution to the field of cancer research. Of the 270 million US dollars the LAF has raised, just 19.1 million has gone to cancer research. This is a mere drop in the ocean of the billion dollar world of cancer research.

Secondly the LAF does not directly save lives by paying for cancer treatment. In fact, the LAF says that it`s primary aim is to: `help you understand what to expect, teach you what questions to ask and give you one-on-one support along the way. We help you learn about your treatment options`.

Many would argue that Armstrong could help cancer sufferers far more by persuading his corporate and Republican buddies to support the provision of universal health care in the USA.

Thirdly, the LAF is not on the list of charities approved by charity watchdog organisations, largely because it spends so much of what it receives on promoting the LAF. Of the 270 million dollars it has raised, a whopping 45% has gone on promoting the LAF. (And so, of course, Lance Armstrong). See
http://www.charitywatch.org/articles/cancer.html

Figures such as those above must cause one to wonder whether the true purpose of the LAF is to provide Armstrong with a PR shield which acts to deflect criticism as to how he achieved his Tour `wins`. Stephanie McIlvain (his former personal liaison with Oakley) certainly seems to believe this, as she made clear in that talk she had with Greg Lemond. (The one where she also admits that she heard Armstrong admit to doping). See:
http://j.b5z.net/i/u/2132106/m/gregstef.mp3

Fourthly, foundations are not always created for genuinely philanthropic reasons. The sports philanthropy project says the following of foundations created in the names of sports stars:
`Foundations... serve two immediate purposes: They can provide a hefty and long-term tax deduction on windfall signing bonuses and salaries. And they can supply positive public relations, if they flourish.

...On its own Web site, the National Heritage Foundation lists several reasons why agents should encourage their clients to start foundations. For one thing, agents may continue to be paid from the foundation after the athletes' retirement. Also listed: Community prestige, lower taxable income and the Pester Factor.
"Athletes are besieged with requests for funds by almost everyone they see," the site offers. "They would be able to say, 'All these matters are handled by my foundation.'"
On the 990 tax forms, charity for the wrong reason still counts as a write-off.`
http://www.sportsphilanthropyprojec...ails.php?id=426

Of course, Armstrong is not alone in his `good work`. Others who operate similar PR scams, sorry, who are involved in similar work for good causes, include Floyd Landis and Tyler Hamilton...
http://www.floydlandisfoundation.org/

http://www.tylerhamilton.com/

 

[Kennf1]

Hmmm... since 1997, the Lance Armstrong Foundation has raised more than $250 million to support people affected by cancer. What have you done for anyone other than yourself

And it only cost them $240 million.

 

[Anonymous]

and it only cost them $240 million.

......Exactly!!!

 

[CiclismoDeCalifornia]

COLWILDCAT- You’re right:

A. nothing is, nothing was ever going to derail Contador's win!
B. You forgot Popo, and Levi Leipheimer.
C. Haimar Zubeldia and Gregory Rast do whatever bruyneel tells them to do!
D. Guess who he really has them work for? Stage 3 there is a hint.

 

[535xiguy]

And you really should consider posting about cycling for more than 3 weeks every year if you want to be taken seriously.

As for me, well, you're the *** who shot his mouth off about something he knows fuck all about. Then again, you have nothing to say that I haven't read from hundreds of seasonal, chamois sniffing, uninformed fanboys, so nothing new there.

You call what you do posting about cycling

You have no idea what I know about cycling.

Anyway, so you post here all the time, I'm so impressed. With almost 1,800 posts it looks like you should try going outside and actually getting on a bike (assuming you even own one) instead of, as you would say, shooting your mouth off.

 

[whiteboytrash]

It's funny to see how every time Lance pulls one of his trademark asshole moves the fanboys run to defend him highlighting his work against cancer. Just because he is a good philantropist doesn't mean he is not a prick or a shitty teammate or both.

I have access to the LAF accounts. We all do but I took the time to read through them. Its part of my job. None the less Liggett and Sherwin are being paid promotion fees from the LAF. L&S don't work for Versus, ITV4 in the UK or another other broadcaster. They have their own company and provide English language commentary throughout the world on a lease arrangement.

Therefore the LAF pays them for on-air promotion. This promotion as you hear comes in the form of "news" during the commentary on just how great Lance is. The listener is fooled to believing what they are saying is off the cuff and the independent thoughts from the "voice of cycling" - when in actual truth they are paid advertisements.

If they worked for the broadcasters it would be illegal to commentate in this form and to accept the payment without declaring it on air.

Its a tricky move but to think part of that $250million goes to Liggett saying nice things about Lance. Shocking.

 

[iceaxe]

Lance embarrassed himself in todays time trial. I have given up on Lance. I doubt he will ever win the tour again. A loser is a loser.

 

[whiteboytrash]

who wrote the tags to the thread ? Classic.

 

[fulcrum]

I have access to the LAF accounts. We all do but I took the time to read through them. Its part of my job. None the less Liggett and Sherwin are being paid promotion fees from the LAF. L&S don't work for Versus, ITV4 in the UK or another other broadcaster. They have their own company and provide English language commentary throughout the world on a lease arrangement.

Therefore the LAF pays them for on-air promotion. This promotion as you hear comes in the form of "news" during the commentary on just how great Lance is. The listener is fooled to believing what they are saying is off the cuff and the independent thoughts from the "voice of cycling" - when in actual truth they are paid advertisements.

If they worked for the broadcasters it would be illegal to commentate in this form and to accept the payment without declaring it on air.

Its a tricky move but to think part of that $250million goes to Liggett saying nice things about Lance. Shocking.

Do you know if any of this is available on the internet? I'd love to take a look at it. Are LAF financials available online?

 

[Anonymous]

Do you know if any of this is available on the internet? I'd love to take a look at it. Are LAF available online?

Its all there, you just have to have a user name and password to see it. I can't even tell you how to get one it is so secret.

 

[BroDeal]

I have access to the LAF accounts. We all do but I took the time to read through them. Its part of my job. None the less Liggett and Sherwin are being paid promotion fees from the LAF. L&S don't work for Versus, ITV4 in the UK or another other broadcaster. They have their own company and provide English language commentary throughout the world on a lease arrangement.

Therefore the LAF pays them for on-air promotion. This promotion as you hear comes in the form of "news" during the commentary on just how great Lance is. The listener is fooled to believing what they are saying is off the cuff and the independent thoughts from the "voice of cycling" - when in actual truth they are paid advertisements.

If they worked for the broadcasters it would be illegal to commentate in this form and to accept the payment without declaring it on air.

Its a tricky move but to think part of that $250million goes to Liggett saying nice things about Lance. Shocking.

WTF!! Links or something please.

Is this the reason we in the U.S. have to put up with the worst cycling commentary anywhere, listening to Sherwen inject Armstrong into any subject, no matter how unrelated it might be?

 

[lean mean &green]

WTF!! Links or something please.

Is this the reason we in the U.S. have to put up with the worst cycling commentary anywhere, listening to Sherwen inject Armstrong into any subject, no matter how unrelated it might be?

Liggett/Sherwin are paid to promote LAF not Lance himself. Is it a conflict of interest? Yes. Is it fraud? No.

Commentators in every sport favor certain athletes and develop personal relationships which leads to partiality. Some athletes, mostly those with interesting stories, become media darlings. Shocking!

 

[Cobblestones]

Sports reporting has never earned the name 'journalism'. Just another example .

 

[colwildcat]

It's funny to see how every time Lance pulls one of his trademark asshole moves the fanboys run to defend him highlighting his work against cancer. Just because he is a good philantropist doesn't mean he is not a prick or a shitty teammate or both.

As I've said before, I've never ever said he isn't a ***. But, when people promote blatant falsities about his charity work, then they deserve to be called out on that. It's hate for hate's sake. While the LAF may not have the best ratio of expenses to money going to research/programs, saying they spend 45% of the money on promotion is false, pure and simple.

 

[Belokki]

A loser is a loser.

LOOOOOL! If he's a loser then the're are no winners in this peoloton

 

[colwildcat]

This is, like, I don't know, the 100th time, like totally the 100th time I've posted this.... I rest my case. Loser. Don't ever challenge me to the facts again. Guess I won't be hearing from you again ?
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http://www.tylerhamilton.com/

Posting crap over and over doesn't make it true.

The LAF has never been about only cancer research. It funds grants to organizations concerned with research, education, early detection, and survivorship programs.

So, let's look at facts - the foundation donated $24,000,000 to cancer PROGRAMS in 2007, not all related to research. They took in $36,000,000. They spent 5.7% of their donations on overhead, which is too high, and $5MM on fundraising.

Read their financial statements. It's all there. But that might require taking a Finance 101 course at your local community college.

 

[iceaxe]

Posting crap over and over doesn't make it true.

The LAF has never been about only cancer research. It funds grants to organizations concerned with research, education, early detection, and survivorship programs.

So, let's look at facts - the foundation donated $24,000,000 to cancer PROGRAMS in 2007, not all related to research. They took in $36,000,000. They spent 5.7% of their donations on overhead, which is too high, and $5MM on fundraising.

Read their financial statements. It's all there. But that might require taking a Finance 101 course at your local community college.

Isnt 5.7 percent good compared to other charities?

 

[Walshworld]

Radio Shack

Ha, you think Garmin has some cool gadjets. Wait till Lance and his Radio Shack boys show up with their electro-goodies! I'm blogging every tour stage at: http://walshworld.wordpress.com/

 

[Azdak6]

Posting crap over and over doesn't make it true.

The LAF has never been about only cancer research. It funds grants to organizations concerned with research, education, early detection, and survivorship programs.

So, let's look at facts - the foundation donated $24,000,000 to cancer PROGRAMS in 2007, not all related to research. They took in $36,000,000. They spent 5.7% of their donations on overhead, which is too high, and $5MM on fundraising.

Read their financial statements. It's all there. But that might require taking a Finance 101 course at your local community college.

From what I have seen, compared to other cancer-related organizations, as a percentage of income, the administrative costs were not that high. It was the fundraising costs (18%) that were on the high side. I am just going on the financial statements posted on the livestrong.org website and Charity Navigator. As a comparison, the Tiger Woods Foundation has administrative costs of 11.7%, but fundraising costs of 9.4%.

 

[williej]

This really does say it all!

By far the most accurate and honest review of this years tour so far:

Mission Impossible?
By Bob Roll

Lance Armstrong has done the impossible. Once again he’s hauled himself back on the leader podium of the TDF. He sits third now after a great ride in the individual time trial that was 40.5 kilometers. But for Lance, it was a real challenge to match the pace of the younger athletes that had a lot more to lose in this Tour de France.

Lance started out even; he was behind in the first time check and considerably more behind in the second time check. But a lot of the younger riders, not having the experience of lance and went out too fast. Lance continued to grind away at the pedals at the same tempo all the way to the finish line. Eventually pulling himself in the 3rd place overall ahead of Frank Schleck who started 30 seconds ahead today.

Andy Schlek had the time trial of his life to keep him self in second, but he only has a few second cushion on lance Armstrong. Tomorrow is a very difficult stage, lance might try to go on the attack and get time on Andy Schleck, but I think he will wait until the dreaded Mont Ventoux. Saturday’s stage is the last strategic rendezvous of this year’s tour. And it is going to be a battle royal between 7 people for the final podium in Paris:

Armstrong, Kloden, Wiggens, Nibali, and the Schlek brothers all have a chance for the coveted 2nd and 3rd spot. For the most part, Contador appears to be untouchable in the yellow and can expect the full support of Team Astana. It seems that Contador has been riding his own race. He seems a little paranoid about his teammates having attacked Andreas Kloden on the col de la colombier. And distancing himself from his own teammates maybe not easily the most intelligent thing to do but the results speak for them selves, with 4 minutes and 11 seconds ahead of Andy Schleck secures him in a very good position.

Frank Schleck had a disastrous time trial leaving him in 6th place, 6 minutes behind Contador. For Lance Armstrong to move up a spot against Andy Schleck will be a tall order on Mont Ventoux, but he is only 1:42 behind so the lanky Luxemburger. Wiggens is looking for a podium spot as well. Those dreams may not come to fruition. I have a feeling that Wiggens is really going to struggle on the giant slopes of Mont Ventoux. Wiggens is 4th on the overall standings, just 11 seconds behind lance.

Lance has to be considered one of the greatest athletes of any sport of all time. If he gets on the podium in this year’s Tour de France it would be something remarkable and something that is talked about for years to come. A ride for the ages for lance, and he only needs on long climb left to finish. Everyone has got to tune in. if you’re a fan of cycling or just sports, you got to see lance ascend Ventoux.

If Contador starts to feel the pressure and is nervous, watch for lance Armstrong to win his 8th TDF. It’s not very likely, but it could happen. In any case, if lance is indeed in the top three at the end of this year’s Tour de France. It would be a remarkable accomplishment. He will have to be considered one the greatest athletes in all of sports. With his 37 years of age and 4 years away from the sport, it is amazing what he had been able to accomplish. Lance also announced that he will be leading a new American team sponsored by RadioShack next year. That is a news flash that is hot off the press, just came out in the papers. Good luck to lance on Mont Ventoux, Which will be followed by a triumphant march into the city of lights.

 

[indurain666]

By far the most accurate and honest review of this years tour so far:

Mission Impossible?
By Bob Roll

Lance Armstrong h......y of lights.

Its official, Bob Roll is most stupid human being ever...

 

[fulcrum]

By far the most accurate and honest review of this years tour so far:

Mission Impossible?
By Bob Roll

Lance Armstrong blah blah blah

Bob Roll is delusional. Does he really think Lance can win the tour if Contador "gets nervous" up Mont Ventoux? The only thing keeping contador from winning the tour is going to be a bad accident. Alberto can get as nervous as he wants in Ventoux, he can eat all his nails, have diarrhea and crap in his pants and he will still put 2 minutes on Armstrong.

Bob is also delusional in thinking that Armstrong might catch Andy Schleck.

An honest review would focus on the fight for 3rd position. Lance will have a heck of a time fending off Frank Schleck.

Bob is nothing but a cheerleader. Using his past experience as a pro rider to write that crap is embarrasing. I feel sorry for the guy. It must be a sad existence.

 

[Amsterhammer]

By far the most accurate and honest review of this years tour so far:

Mission Impossible?
By Bob Roll

...................

What an embarrassing, delusional and poorly written load of sh!te. And I say that as someone who wants to see LA finish as high as possible, but who is not delusional.

 

[goober]

Bob Roll is delusional. Does he really think Lance can win the tour if Contador "gets nervous" up Mont Ventoux? The only thing keeping contador from winning the tour is going to be a bad accident. Alberto can get as nervous as he wants in Ventoux, he can eat all his nails, have diarrhea and crap in his pants and he will still put 2 minutes on Armstrong.

Bob is also delusional in thinking that Armstrong might catch Andy Schleck.

An honest review would focus on the fight for 3rd position. Lance will have a heck of a time fending off Frank Schleck.

Bob is nothing but a cheerleader. Using his past experience as a pro rider to write that crap is embarrasing. I feel sorry for the guy. It must be a sad existence.

LOL - love the diarrhea part.... I still like Bob but agree he wants to sleep with Lance.