Official London Olympics Doping thread

[hotrats]

Its funny that the British track team is explaining its performances with - we do all the right preperations, - look so and so has a cloth on their leg pre race and no one else does. Look their bus has aircon and dock ipods and so on.

and im not saying that doesnt work, but on the other hand you have Bolt who focuses almost all his energy on showing people that he is not even trying - goes out the day before and shows proof of it, eats chicken nuggets just before the race, monkeys about during warm up, talks to officials less than a minute before the race - a clear "look everyone I AM NOT TRYING".

And that kind of spoils the narrative. Either the Bolt one is right and all these extra efforts mean jack ****, or the GB track cycling one is right and Bolt is someone who can win with a bigger gap to 2nd place than 2nd place to womens world record.

I have always found it interesting to compare Bolt and Asafa Powell.

Powell has run more sub-10 times than anyone else, yet never seems to produce when it matters. You watch him and he takes himself deadly seriously. In something like the 100m where you need to be loose to be quick he seems to tense up.

Bolt on the other hand seems able to just play it relaxed and has confidence that he only has to do the same things he does in training or previous races.

Powell looks like he is striving too hard to put together the most awesome race he possibly can rather than just letting his body do its thing. And it never works.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

What´s to remember from the Olympics 2012? Well, first and foremost, Doping & Doping records. Just one more example of these Alien-Games;

Title:

Nice braces u... faces

Lashinda Demus at age 29

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

I have always found it interesting to compare Bolt and Asafa Powell.

Powell has run more sub-10 times than anyone else, yet never seems to produce when it matters. You watch him and he takes himself deadly seriously. In something like the 100m where you need to be loose to be quick he seems to tense up.

Bolt on the other hand seems able to just play it relaxed and has confidence that he only has to do the same things he does in training or previous races.

Powell looks like he is striving too hard to put together the most awesome race he possibly can rather than just letting his body do its thing. And it never works.

Yeah, everybody should behave like a clown before races. It surely will work. As seen by this small example of the 200 m runner from USA, doing the same BS as everybody now (outside of those who concentrate like Gay, Lemaitre, Gatlin), then putting sunglasses on at night and finishing... dead last.

It´s not the silly behaviour, it´s the drugs that makes Bolt. And all those copying him now, just look like little boys in kindergarten, but not like grown ups.

Do they have any brain cells left to create an own style? I doubt. It seems the drugs killed all creativity.

 

[simo1733]

Yeah, everybody should behave like a clown before races. It surely will work. As seen by this small example of the 200 m runner from USA, doing the same BS as everybody now (outside of those who concentrate like Gay, Lemaitre, Gatlin), then putting sunglasses on at night and finishing... dead last.

It´s not the silly behaviour, it´s the drugs that makes Bolt. And all those copying him now, just look like little boys in kindergarten, but not like grown ups.

Do they have any brain cells left to create an own style? I doubt. It seems the drugs killed all creativity.

I didn't mind the lightning Bolt thing the first few times, but Blakes beast claw thing is just so un cool that I don't believe he is actually Jamaican.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

With Bolt it might have been funny the first few times. But then it was repeat only, and boring of course. But now it´s annoying when everybody does it.

Anyway, Bolt will retire now. Which is good. I just hope some guy like Walsh or Kimmage come up to uncover this doping cheat (& his training group), b/c we can´t count a second on the IAAF or IOC doing that job.

 

[taiwan]

I too am un-a$$ed with the trademarked celebrations and stuff. It's all a bit cartoonish. Enhanced performances, gimmicks, product placement, world records falling only for the crowd to demand they fall again. Flag waving. All the sensationalist cr@p. This is the first time I've watched athletics so closely, and I've really enjoyed it, but that's enough for now.

 

[taiwan]

Its funny that the British track team is explaining its performances with - we do all the right preperations, - look so and so has a cloth on their leg pre race and no one else does. Look their bus has aircon and dock ipods and so on.

and im not saying that doesnt work, but on the other hand you have Bolt who focuses almost all his energy on showing people that he is not even trying - goes out the day before and shows proof of it, eats chicken nuggets just before the race, monkeys about during warm up, talks to officials less than a minute before the race - a clear "look everyone I AM NOT TRYING".

And that kind of spoils the narrative. Either the Bolt one is right and all these extra efforts mean jack ****, or the GB track cycling one is right and Bolt is someone who can win with a bigger gap to 2nd place than 2nd place to womens world record.

Doesn't have to be either or. Different sports, different athletes, different images to project. GB with the techy 'throw money at it', Jamaica with the laid back 'natural talent'. And each could just be a cover for juicing. But anyway Bolt does have such a margin on his competitiors he doesn't need to give 100%. What were we talking about again?

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

Well Taiwan, Doper Blake is getting close to Doper Bolt! Just 0.07 seconds behind in the 200 m PB.

I think those "scientists" soon can´t argue anymore how great natural gifted Bolt is, how special his leg lift is, how height is the deciding factor, and other nonsense. It´s all about doping w/o being looked to hard at it in no testing land Jamaica.

OTOH, the fanboys already come out with a new total absurd theory. The one of "surviving slaves with extraordinary genes". The most hilarious theory ever. Better than Pharmstrongs cadence, big heart, train harder story.

The only clean* finals events (i saw) in this olympics were the mens long jump and maybe the gymnastics performance by Gabrielle Douglas. That´s it.

(* no fixing, no doping)

 

[buckle]

Well Taiwan, Doper Blake is getting close to Doper Bolt! Just 0.07 seconds behind in the 200 m PB.

I think those "scientists" soon can´t argue anymore how great natural gifted Bolt is, how special his leg lift is, how height is the deciding factor, and other nonsense. It´s all about doping w/o being looked to hard at it in no testing land Jamaica.

OTOH, the fanboys already come out with a new total absurd theory. The one of "surviving slaves with extraordinary genes". The most hilarious theory ever. Better than Pharmstrongs cadence, big heart, train harder story.

The only clean* finals events (i saw) in this olympics were the mens long jump and maybe the gymnastics performance by Gabrielle Douglas. That´s it.

(* no fixing, no doping)

Fascinating conclusion. The 2012 men's long jump is casting a very long shadow over not just these games but every single games dating back to Munich in 1972. I guess we have to go back to 1968 for anything approaching a clean tournament. Even then I suspect Kutz was doped over 5k and 10k as long ago as 1956. He died at the age of 48 from a heart attack.

Did you check out the modern pentahlon for both men and women this weekend? No hint of a freak show but just normal looking people. Even in the UK, the BBC commentators were civil and polite - values for which this country was once reknowned. I was genuinely moved when the GB girl won the silver. Most of this country's medals should be dumped in the Thames.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

I meant this edition of the mens long jump. Guys who had a hard time to even top the WR of 77 years ago must be clean. If not them, than nobody is.

Unluckily i didn´t saw the pentahlon. Maybe i was just tired of this freak show called olympics.

Edit: Have watched the hi-lites of the womens pentahlon now. True, they are exhausted, look normal, even run normal. Let´s hope they are clean. If it wasn´t including endurance, i´d be sure they are clean.

 

[lemoogle]

He would still be in bronze even with the original dive.

I don't see how that's relevant. He still had one more chance to get a better score than the others. What if he'd won gold with the difference between the jumps. It's not a question of what he did in the end, it's ridiculous that they gave him the chance again.

 

[buckle]

I meant this edition of the mens long jump. Guys who had a hard time to even top the WR of 77 years ago must be clean. If not them, than nobody is.

Unluckily i didn´t saw the pentahlon. Maybe i was just tired of this freak show called olympics.

Edit: Have watched the hi-lites of the womens pentahlon now. True, they are exhausted, look normal, even run normal. Let´s hope they are clean. If it wasn´t including endurance, i´d be sure they are clean.

So did I! Did you know that only 5 people in the final jumped longer than Owen's OR in 1936? That is why this year's event is so significant. I suspect many (if not all) of the competitors were clean.

When I say pentathlon - I meant the MODERN penthalon as in fencing, swimming, riding, shooting and running. The participants seemed such decent people and not the freaks we see in the pool, bike track and Olympic stadium.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

@ the Bolt defenders:

"Hordge (USA) participated in the 2002 World Junior Championships in Kingston, Jamaica, and finished with a bronze medal in 100 meters, placing third behind Darrel Brown and Marc Burns. Known for his slow start out of the blocks, officials at the meet were in amazement at how he closed at the finish. That's when the world took notice. A few days later at the same meet, he anchored the United States 4x100 relay squad to Gold. Hordge received the baton identical to Usain Bolt of Jamaica, and then pulled away from him down the stretch, as he and teammates Ashton Collins, Wes Felix, and Ivory Williams set a new world junior record of 38.92. Hordge was made the cover boy of the September 2002 edition of track & Field News. http://www.trackandfieldnews.com/archive/past_issues/issues/200209issue.html#U.S.Hot


Everyone was in awe. Just like he is today, Usain Bolt was the talk of the meet back then, and Hordge showed him up on his own soil in Kingston. Bolt was visibly upset after the finish. The day before he had just won the 200 meters in record time of 20.13. At the 2003 Pan Am Junior Championships in Bridgetown, Barbados, the pair faced off again on anchor leg of the 4x100 meter relay. Hordge shocked Bolt again, and the United States won the gold in record time of 39.29 to Jamaica's 39.40."

Where is Hordge now? And why did Bolt exploded just so much later, if he was the talent? Questions over questions...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Willie_Hordge

 

[roundabout]

Hordge is two and a half years older. At least that's what wikipedia says.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

Ok, your point .... so another try:

If Jamaica is the ressort of genetic superior sprint talent, how come this:
A bunch of no names from Brazil beat the relay with Powell & Mullings
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2001_Pan_American_Junior_Athletics_Championships

Why is not at least one guy from Brazil running 9.9 now, leave alone a 9.7

Edit: Hell, Jamaica even had a hard time to distance Guadeloupe
If Jamaica runs a 36.8 now, why o why is Guadeloupe not running at least a 38.0 nowadays?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2001_CARIFTA_Games#Boys_under_20_.28Junior.29

 

[simo1733]

I don't see how that's relevant. He still had one more chance to get a better score than the others. What if he'd won gold with the difference between the jumps. It's not a question of what he did in the end, it's ridiculous that they gave him the chance again.

It is relevent.If someone lost a Gold because of a redive they would appeal, in fact the Chinese track team are still complaining now about the team sprint Anyhow you can see from the. Video that they had a valid argument about the flash.

 

[BroDeal]

It is relevent.If someone lost a Gold because of a redive they would appeal, in fact the Chinese track team are still complaining now about the team sprint Anyhow you can see from the. Video that they had a valid argument about the flash.

He cheated someone out of a bronze medal.

The Chinese would not have been given a redive after choking. You can bet that this was preplanned.

 

[JetSet]

Even his most loyal fans admit that this was a huge transformation,

I find it interesting that his winning time for the 5k was the slowest since 1968 and for the 10k since 1988. Sure, he is running faster than in 2004 but not by that much and at 27 he is probably at his peak right now. What I'm seeing here is that the Kenyan and Ethiopian runners have had a huge transformation backwards. Ethiopians also had a major fail in the marathon today with 3 DNF's


Pete

 

[Galic Ho]

From Professor Anthony Moffat, Emeritus professor of pharmaceutical analysis (that means he knows more than you and me) from UCL has responded to the latest nonsense from serial criminal Victor Conte:

"He (Conte) is wrong to think that the lab cannot detect a drug they have never seen before. They can work out its identity from analytical data. The methods being used will detect and identify any new such drugs even if they do not recognise what they are straight away."

He went on to say tha tthese were the cleanest games in recent times.

Can you name me the super designer steroid used in the lead up to the 2000 Olympics and afterwards to such great success by many athletes? Marion Jones used it. She was the big name who admitted to using it. The most prevalent in terms of success.

This super designer steroid was only known AFTER a US track coach walked into the WADA offices and put a vial of it on the front counter. Want to guess his name? Nah I'm making this up aren't I!!!

But of course you and your emeritus professor have heard of Balco Laboratories before and knew fully well that their best drug, nicknamed the 'Clear' is the one I'm talking about. The one Conte has given a great deal of information about. Your professor is a paid for hack. Probably the Vrijman of the IAAF. Get with the program and wake up. Conte wasn't making anything up. Designer steroids ARE not detectable, because they are that advanced. Just like the Clear. That stuff works because it was DESIGNED to do just that. Be undetectable and effective. Sheesh, it's not like Balco labs wasn't making money doing their work. Nah, they were handing out oranges and water to their client-tele.

 

[the big ring]

Can you name me the super designer steroid used in the lead up to the 2000 Olympics and afterwards to such great success by many athletes? Marion Jones used it. She was the big name who admitted to using it. The most prevalent in terms of success.

This super designer steroid was only known AFTER a US track coach walked into the WADA offices and put a vial of it on the front counter. Want to guess his name? Nah I'm making this up aren't I!!!

But of course you and your emeritus professor have heard of Balco Laboratories before and knew fully well that their best drug, nicknamed the 'Clear' is the one I'm talking about. The one Conte has given a great deal of information about. Your professor is a paid for hack. Probably the Vrijman of the IAAF. Get with the program and wake up. Conte wasn't making anything up. Designer steroids ARE not detectable, because they are that advanced. Just like the Clear. That stuff works because it was DESIGNED to do just that. Be undetectable and effective. Sheesh, it's not like Balco labs wasn't making money doing their work. Nah, they were handing out oranges and water to their client-tele.

jfgi'd

ETA: curious that some lab somewhere can cook stuff up so easily. Funny how the sexual reproduction organic chemistry keeps cropping up. hCG and now this

The company manufactured the drug through palladium-charcoal catalyzed hydrogenation from gestrinone, a substance used in gynecology for treatment of endometriosis (Australian Medicines handbook 2011).

I only had the hCG reference earlier, but the reason why Ferrari, a GYNAECOLOGIST was so successful as a doping doctor is becoming more and more evident.

 

[Nocontest]

'More than 100 athletes were also caught using banned substances in the months leading up to the Games following increased testing by national and international anti-doping agencies, designed to root out cheats before they arrived in London.'

But they don't flagellate themselves in public like cycling does.

 

[JetSet]

Belarus athlete stripped of gold medal in the womans shotput.


Pete

 

[Zam_Olyas]

Belarus athlete stripped of gold medal in the womans shotput.


Pete

Aha if it's true .. there was some comments about here in this very thread.started by me

 

[roundabout]

It's true.

 

[Catwhoorg]

Link to BBC story on it

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/olympics/19242736