Official London Olympics Doping thread

[Dead Star]

Did I really see that from Mr Gatlin?

 

[JimmyFingers]

Does anyone else think that Ed Clancy's performance in the Omnium pretty much sums it up?

Superb in the timed events.

Awful when it comes to "injecting" (pun intended) a bit of tactical nous?

Wow, such insight. Presumably he lacked such tactical nous when he won the worlds at the event. Stamina let him down, but then that's not entirely consistent with what you are suggesting, is it?

Did you watch the Devil race? He was very clever in each sprint, stayed until his legs blew and when he got eliminated he had just sat up and let the pelton go. What does that sum up exactly?

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

Well, they topped the WTC medal table in 2005 before the announcement and were second in 2004 so seemed like they were doing well before. Anything is possible but how is it the UK get special track dispensation. Wouldn't China be given it for 2008?

Ok your point. OTOH cycling doping and GB in the 2000s isn´t new. But anyway, everybody did it heavily back then.

 

[JimmyFingers]

Bunch racing ain't his thing. Which is odd considering his huge engine.

he won three sprints outright in the points, and finished 10th in the scratch when at least 8 riders had taken a lap, so in real time placed well. In the Devil he was 6th or so, and just gave up when he blew, but he sprinted when until that happened. Again stamina is his problem, not bunch sprints.I have seen him win them in the Tour series in the UK on the road

Did anyone commentating here on Clancy actually watch him ride or are you simply going by results?

 

[luckyboy]

lol the sprints are on you guys!

don't know how people take it seriously.

 

[Cycle Chic]

Yamille Aldama - GB triple jumper

Yamille Aldama - Triple Jumper

I couldnt believe my eyes seeing this thing just jump - so wikipediaed it:-

'In 2001 she married Andrew Dodds, a Scottish television producer, and thereafter relocated to the United Kingdom. Following her marriage she applied for British citizenship. However, shortly after, her husband was sentenced to 15 years for his part in drug trafficking heroin valued at £40million.[2'

Well it just keeps gettin better for Team GB - Unbelieveable.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yamilé_Aldama well worth a read.

 

[cycladianpirate]

Wow, such insight. Presumably he lacked such tactical nous when he won the worlds at the event. Stamina let him down, but then that's not entirely consistent with what you are suggesting, is it?

Did you watch the Devil race? He was very clever in each sprint, stayed until his legs blew and when he got eliminated he had just sat up and let the pelton go. What does that sum up exactly?

OK mate! Blow into a paper bag for a bit! I wasn't suggesting that results on their own were enough to convict anyone of doping, merely that it strikes me as a bit odd. It wasn't just that Clancy did 'very well' on the flying lap and the kilo. He blew the rest of the field away and yet failed to cover a pretty obvious breakaway in BOTH the points race and the scratch.

Plenty of stuff flying about on this forum and most of it pretty nebulous, but you have to admit this is a little odd. Nobody "just trains" for the Omnium and ignores this pretty basic stuff.

 

[Don't be late Pedro]

Ok your point. OTOH cycling doping and GB in the 2000s isn´t new. But anyway, everybody did it heavily back then.

I am not saying no one is doping. But it is a step up to say that the IOC and UCI have given them a green light to do what they want because it is the Olympics. Sure, they might have been doing it before and that is what they had previous results. Its sad that things have got to a point where anyone that wins is a doper. Given the history I understand why but still..

 

[the big ring]

he won three sprints outright in the points, and finished 10th in the scratch when at least 8 riders had taken a lap, so in real time placed well. In the Devil he was 6th or so, and just gave up when he blew, but he sprinted when until that happened. Again stamina is his problem, not bunch sprints.I have seen him win them in the Tour series in the UK on the road

Did anyone commentating here on Clancy actually watch him ride or are you simply going by results?

DId you? I already said he unclipped mid elimination race... yet you missed my post AND the mid-race incident. I've seen nothing mentioned in the news, but it sure as heck looked like he did.

 

[will10]

he won three sprints outright in the points, and finished 10th in the scratch when at least 8 riders had taken a lap, so in real time placed well. In the Devil he was 6th or so, and just gave up when he blew, but he sprinted when until that happened. Again stamina is his problem, not bunch sprints.I have seen him win them in the Tour series in the UK on the road

Did anyone commentating here on Clancy actually watch him ride or are you simply going by results?

Your posts in this forum just get better and better.

 

[Don't be late Pedro]

He blew the rest of the field away and yet failed to cover a pretty obvious breakaway in BOTH the points race and the scratch.

Plenty of stuff flying about on this forum and most of it pretty nebulous, but you have to admit this is a little odd. Nobody "just trains" for the Omnium and ignores this pretty basic stuff.

The thing is you need to have the legs to cover the breakaways. He tried to follow Hansen in the scratch race but gave up because he just couldn't. Hansen went on to get the lap himself. His main event it the TP so obviously he is going to be stronger for events in that distance. In, fact if the Kilo comes back he wants to do that in 2016.

 

[JimmyFingers]

It wasn't just that Clancy did 'very well' on the flying lap and the kilo. He blew the rest of the field away and yet failed to cover a pretty obvious breakaway in BOTH the points race and the scratch.

He said in interview that he hopes to catch a break in those sort of races, because he's not an endurance cyclist. He missed two breakaways in the points annoyingly, but still won 3 outright sprints. in the points a potential move was spoiled when Hanssen caught his wheel and went down, and another when the he was away and the Colombia rider pulled up. In the Devil he rode until his legs went and finished highly. Despite his problems he still got a bronze so a good result.

Hanssen in the points rode away from the field all by himself and took a lap yet all we are talking about is Clancy, but he blatently wasn't capable of doing that, which is a massive, massive undertaking

 

[JimmyFingers]

Your posts in this forum just get better and better.

You said bunch sprints ain't his thing, yet he won three in the points, survived well into the top ten in the devil, and finished well in the final sprint of the scratch, all bunch sprints. What disadvantaged was his stamina, hardly indicative of anything nefarious

 

[JimmyFingers]

DId you? I already said he unclipped mid elimination race... yet you missed my post AND the mid-race incident. I've seen nothing mentioned in the news, but it sure as heck looked like he did.

I didn't see that or anything in the replays but I'm sure it may have happened. My comment wasn't directed at you so much.

 

[luckyboy]

Just watched a 1500m men's heat and the commentators seemed pretty dumbfounded that this Algerian guy Makhloufi won. Sprinted away from the field with 200m to go.
One of them said he "didn't know what to make of that"

 

[taiwan]

1500m heats - the Algerian Makhloufi basically getting called out by BBC commentators.

Anyone see the Turkish 400mHer false starting? Super masculine and an odd mistake to make, but I don't trust myself to be able to tell what's happening there.

 

[the big ring]

I didn't see that or anything in the replays but I'm sure it may have happened. My comment wasn't directed at you so much.

With about 8-9 riders to go his leg (right) goes weird and he spends a lap looking down at that pedal. Having done it - at Master's worlds - myself, I know how hard it is to clip back in ( I couldn't ).

 

[JimmyFingers]

With about 8-9 riders to go his leg (right) goes weird and he spends a lap looking down at that pedal. Having done it - at Master's worlds - myself, I know how hard it is to clip back in ( I couldn't ).

So if he managed to clip back in he's doping?

 

[stampedingviking]

We grow 'em big in America. All natural. The win at all costs attitude is for lesser nations, like those that would cheat with intentional cycling crashes, bogus rowing equipment failure, illegal cycling equipment, etc.

I presume that is totally tongue-in-cheek?

 

[the big ring]

So if he managed to clip back in he's doping?

You forgot the winky. I'll add one for you

 

[mb2612]

Just watched a 1500m men's heat and the commentators seemed pretty dumbfounded that this Algerian guy Makhloufi won. Sprinted away from the field with 200m to go.
One of them said he "didn't know what to make of that"

10 seconds slower than his time in 2010, he ran 12 seconds quicker a month ago. see here.

Not a sudden jump in performance here.

BBC commentators don't follow athletics particularly carefully I guess.

 

[saosinfangirl]

Just watched a 1500m men's heat and the commentators seemed pretty dumbfounded that this Algerian guy Makhloufi won. Sprinted away from the field with 200m to go.
One of them said he "didn't know what to make of that"

they are racist. his PB: 3:30.80

 

[taiwan]

It was a tactical race though, so maybe they were going on the gap to e.g. the WC, rather than time.

 

[will10]

You said bunch sprints ain't his thing, yet he won three in the points, survived well into the top ten in the devil, and finished well in the final sprint of the scratch, all bunch sprints. What disadvantaged was his stamina, hardly indicative of anything nefarious

Did I?

chars

 

[stampedingviking]

Ok your point. OTOH cycling doping and GB in the 2000s isn´t new. But anyway, everybody did it heavily back then.

Sick of these insinuations, where's the effing proof?