Official London Olympics Doping thread

[FoxxyBrown1111]

So much about the crap that the jumpers lane is "slow" compared to the so called fast track for the runners. I knew it´s BS before, and now there is the confirmation:

17.81 triple jump by Taylor (26 th best jump ever!!!)
Edit: Tied for 14th best athlete in this category ever!

 

[buckle]

trained by an Irish priest ...

As Steve Cram says, UNBELIEVABLE! I've worked out that the employment of this word by commentators is a hedge against a doper. Simple but effective. How much is a World record worth - anyone know?

 

[Zam_Olyas]

Bolt lol

.....

 

[18-Valve. (pithy)]

Sorry to see Allyson Felix win yesterday as I was hoping she'd lose clean.

Ehhhh.... she's the 4th fastest 200m doper in history. This was nothing out of the ordinary for her.

 

[KayLow]

This kind of partial doping admission has always bothered me. He paints his EPO use as a one time mistake brought on by the pressures of continuing to compete for another Olympics. I doubt he is being honest here and it is likely this is not the first time he used EPO. We've certainly heard similar partial admissions from cyclists in the past (Erik Zabel comes to mind).

I also have a hard time believing he was only receiving training advice from Dr. Ferrari. Dr. Ferrari may not have directly administered EPO to Schwazer, but you can bet he laid out a doping regimen for him and advised him on how to implement it.

On the other hand, the guy got caught with EPO in his system during the Olympics. This alone tells us that he is not that sophisticated at doping and may not be receiving the best doping advice. The general consensus among those who understand the limitations of testing is that only those who are reckless, dumb or extremely unlucky test positive for detectable substances that are most indicative of intentional cheating -- substance like EPO. His confession, if true, paints him as reckless and unsophisticated. I can buy that.

 

[Stueyy]

Just heard on the BBC the GB runner in the 800m came last but his time would have won gold in the last 3 Olympics.

 

[buckle]

Just heard on the BBC the GB runner in the 800m came last but his time would have won gold in the last 3 Olympics.

The way things are going he might still get this year's gold in time for 2020.

 

[pedaling squares]

D!ck Pound: "Only 10% of Olympic cheats caught."

http://edition.cnn.com/2012/08/01/sport/olympics-drugs-pound-shiwen/index.html

I think he is being optimistic.

"People who have prepared in advance and used drugs coming here (to London) won't get caught," said Pound.
"If you get caught you fail two tests, a drugs test and an IQ test."

Isn't that the truth?

I've always liked the way he speaks his mind, that's pretty rare in the stuffed shirt atmosphere of the IOC. He's taken a lot of heat for it, including being passed over in favour of Jacques Rogge when JA Samaranch retired. Now there's a victory for ethical sport. Anyone who has attracted heavy criticism from Emile Vrijman and Lance Armstrong probably has his ethics well set in place. He's got a pretty sharp wit for a tax lawyer too, still like his line about Landis' elevated testosterone levels.

 

[Cloxxki]

On the other hand, the guy got caught with EPO in his system during the Olympics. This alone tells us that he is not that sophisticated at doping and may not be receiving the best doping advice. The general consensus among those who understand the limitations of testing is that only those who are reckless, dumb or extremely unlucky test positive for detectable substances that are most indicative of intentional cheating -- substance like EPO. His confession, if true, paints him as reckless and unsophisticated. I can buy that.

Wasn't it during a training camp in Germany that he produced a postive sample? he didn't expect a test obviosuly, being abroad. Out of regular interst of CONI, normally. With the police or whatever tapping phoens and hearing him talk to Ferrari may have gotten someone inspired to go and collect some from him, before the Olympics.

 

[KayLow]

Wasn't it during a training camp in Germany that he produced a postive sample? he didn't expect a test obviosuly, being abroad. Out of regular interst of CONI, normally. With the police or whatever tapping phoens and hearing him talk to Ferrari may have gotten someone inspired to go and collect some from him, before the Olympics.

I guess I could have been clearer with my language. The test was not a competition test, but it was technically during the Olympic games, coming, as it did, on July 30. He claims to have injected himself with EPO the day before. His event was scheduled for August 11. Sure, the EPO would have cleared before then, but that is still cutting it too close to earn the tag unlucky from where I sit.

 

[Wicklow200]

#cheatin*******o

I posted this also in the Ferrari thread but it's worthwhile here as well. Alex Schwazer admits taking EPO and tells how he bought it in Turkey. He says athletes who dope should be banned for life. Very revealling.

http://english.gazzetta.it/More_spo...have-gone-to-london-anyway-912183424657.shtml

Dont know if this was posted already but Irish 50km walker, Rob Heffernan, reacted pretty strongly to the Schwazer admission. On twitter using the hashtag #cheatingbusturdo, (you've got to love that), he wrote that he hopes Schwatzer can also be stripped of his Euro medal from last year

http://www.irishtimes.com/sports/other/2012/0807/1224321669484.html

Heffernan happy to see the back of Schwazer
Olympics: Irish race walker Rob Heffernan has tweeted his delight that the favourite for the 50km walk, Italy’s Alex Schwazer, has been caught doping.

Heffernan used the hashtag #cheatinbustardo to describe Schwazer, the defending Olympic champion, who failed a drug test at the weekend and has been expelled from the games by the Italian Olympic Committee (CONI).

Schwazer (27) said after his expulsion that his career was over. "I did it all myself and on my own head so I assume all the responsibility for what has happened,” he told Italian media.

Heffernan is the only Irish track and field athlete with a realistic chance of a medal following his impressive 9th place finish in the 20km walk.

He tweeted yesterday: “Unreal news, another one down hopefully it will show he was on something in barca and I might pick up a medal”.

The reference to Barcelona refers to the European Championships in 2010 when Heffernan finished fourth and Schwazer won the silver medal. Heffernan is hopeful that Schwazer’s medal will be taken away from him retrospectively and the Irish man will get a Bronze instead.

Heffernan finished it up with another tweet: “Alex Swatzer (sic) favourite for the 50km "epo" One less to worry about”.

 

[neineinei]

Just heard on the BBC the GB runner in the 800m came last but his time would have won gold in the last 3 Olympics.

Andrew Osagie did not only run slower than the seven others today, he also ran slower than Sebastian Coe did in the 1984 Olympics.

 

[will10]

Andrew Osagie did not only run slower than the seven others today, he also ran slower than Sebastian Coe did in the 1984 Olympics.

Well that seems relevant.

 

[TheInternet]

Just heard on the BBC the GB runner in the 800m came last but his time would have won gold in the last 3 Olympics.

Times in the 800m, and longer events on the track, are largely influenced by tactics. The last time an 800m record was set during the Olympics was 1976 in Montreal, and the two subsequent 800m record holders maintained their records for 16 and 15 years, respectively. A slow final heat in 2008 does not indicate a doped field in 2012, and this new 800m record represents an 0.82 seconds improvement over the last 30 years.

On a semi-related note, record times set by Americans in the 100, 200, and 400m in 1968 (Mexico City Olympics) were landmark performances by even contemporary standards and stood for a disproportionate length of time compared to the recent history of these events. Would one expect altitude alone to contribute significant performance gains in these short events?

 

[BroDeal]

Dont know if this was posted already but Irish 50km walker, Rob Heffernan, reacted pretty strongly to the Schwazer admission. On twitter using the hashtag #cheatingbusturdo, (you've got to love that), he wrote that he hopes Schwatzer can also be stripped of his Euro medal from last year

http://www.irishtimes.com/sports/other/2012/0807/1224321669484.html

Heffernan happy to see the back of Schwazer
Olympics: Irish race walker Rob Heffernan has tweeted his delight that the favourite for the 50km walk, Italy’s Alex Schwazer, has been caught doping.

Heffernan used the hashtag #cheatinbustardo to describe Schwazer, the defending Olympic champion, who failed a drug test at the weekend and has been expelled from the games by the Italian Olympic Committee (CONI).

Schwazer (27) said after his expulsion that his career was over. "I did it all myself and on my own head so I assume all the responsibility for what has happened,” he told Italian media.

Heffernan is the only Irish track and field athlete with a realistic chance of a medal following his impressive 9th place finish in the 20km walk.

He tweeted yesterday: “Unreal news, another one down hopefully it will show he was on something in barca and I might pick up a medal”.

The reference to Barcelona refers to the European Championships in 2010 when Heffernan finished fourth and Schwazer won the silver medal. Heffernan is hopeful that Schwazer’s medal will be taken away from him retrospectively and the Irish man will get a Bronze instead.

Heffernan finished it up with another tweet: “Alex Swatzer (sic) favourite for the 50km "epo" One less to worry about”.

Good on him. Too bad cyclist cannot respond like this when a rider tests positive. Other than the occasional a-hole that everyone hates, like Ricco, there is seldom a bad word spoken.

 

[the sceptic]

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/olympics--usain-bolt-rips-carl-lewis---i-have-no-respect-for-him-.html

Earlier in the same press conference, a U.S. reporter began to ask Bolt a doping question about the Jamaican track team and erroneously referred to it as "the Jamaican drug team." The reporter then quickly corrected himself and asked if the public could believe the Jamaicans were a clean team.

"Without a doubt," Bolt said, gesturing to his teammates Yohan Blake and Warren Weir, who captured silver and bronze in Thursday’s 200 meters. "These guys train hard."

Warren Weir went from 20.43 to 19.84 in one year. He must have trained really hard!

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

Thanks for the link:
I had little respect for Bolt. It´s less now. Even tough King Carl had his cough medicine positives, he´s right on the money, and he (& Calvin Smith for example) had never such dubious performance jumps like Bolt, Blake and all the other freaks from no testing land had.

Carl Lewis & Calvin Smith at the 100´s over the years:
1979 (Age 18) 10.1 *// 10.36
1980 (Age 19) 10.21 // 10.17
1981 (Age 20) 10.00 // 10.21
1982 (Age 21) 10.00 // 10.05
1983 (Age 22) 9.97 // 9.93 (A)
1984 (Age 23) 9.99 // 10.11
1985 (Age 24) 9.98 // 10.10
1986 (Age 25) 10.06 // 10.14
1987 (Age 26) 9.93 // 10.07
1988 (Age 27) 9.92 // 9.97
1989 (Age 28) 10.05 // 10.05
1990 (Age 29) 10.05 // 10.04 (A)
1991 (Age 30) 9.86 // 10.38
1992 (Age 31) 10.07 // 10.14
1993 (Age 32) 10.02 // 10.06
1994 (Age 33) 10.04 // 10.22
1995 (Age 34) 10.12 // 10.25
1996 (Age 35) 10.03 // 10.25

Look at the constant world class level. No crazy performance jumps as seen in this clowns from Jamaica. If Lewis & Smith had taken the heavy drugs as of 1990+, they´d barely (if at all) performed past 28. Let´s see if the self proclaimed legend can produce world class sprints over a decade too. Highly doubtful. Either he is caught before, retired, or produces clown times when reaching his late 20s...

 

[TubularBills]

Thanks for the link:
I had little respect for Bolt. It´s less now. Even tough King Carl had his cough medicine positives, he´s right on the money, and he (& Calvin Smith for example) had never such dubious performance jumps like Bolt, Blake and all the other freaks from no testing land had.

Carl Lewis & Calvin Smith at the 100´s over the years:
1979 (Age 18) 10.1 *// 10.36
1980 (Age 19) 10.21 // 10.17
1981 (Age 20) 10.00 // 10.21
1982 (Age 21) 10.00 // 10.05
1983 (Age 22) 9.97 // 9.93 (A)
1984 (Age 23) 9.99 // 10.11
1985 (Age 24) 9.98 // 10.10
1986 (Age 25) 10.06 // 10.14
1987 (Age 26) 9.93 // 10.07
1988 (Age 27) 9.92 // 9.97
1989 (Age 28) 10.05 // 10.05
1990 (Age 29) 10.05 // 10.04 (A)
1991 (Age 30) 9.86 // 10.38
1992 (Age 31) 10.07 // 10.14
1993 (Age 32) 10.02 // 10.06
1994 (Age 33) 10.04 // 10.22
1995 (Age 34) 10.12 // 10.25
1996 (Age 35) 10.03 // 10.25

Look at the constant world class level. No crazy performance jumps as seen in this clowns from Jamaica. If Lewis & Smith had taken the heavy drugs as of 1990+, they´d barely (if at all) performed past 28. Let´s see if the self proclaimed legend can produce world class sprints over a decade too. Highly doubtful. Either he is caught before, retired, or produces clown times when reaching his late 20s...

RE: Insane Jolt

Nice Research and Performance Benchmarks!

Development - Peak - Decline i.e. natural.

Everything else is just a fantastical delusion.

Guilty as Charged.

 

[Blakeslee]

I'm still a little bothered about Hope Solo's positive being dismissed so easily. We seem to be seeing more athletes testing positive for diuretics, likely being used in an attempt to clear other drugs out of their system faster in an attempt to avoid detection in testing. I'm not sure the fact that Solo had a prescription necessarily means that she wasn't still using the drug as a masking agent.

 

[buckle]

Times in the 800m, and longer events on the track, are largely influenced by tactics. The last time an 800m record was set during the Olympics was 1976 in Montreal, and the two subsequent 800m record holders maintained their records for 16 and 15 years, respectively. A slow final heat in 2008 does not indicate a doped field in 2012, and this new 800m record represents an 0.82 seconds improvement over the last 30 years.

On a semi-related note, record times set by Americans in the 100, 200, and 400m in 1968 (Mexico City Olympics) were landmark performances by even contemporary standards and stood for a disproportionate length of time compared to the recent history of these events. Would one expect altitude alone to contribute significant performance gains in these short events?

There is an assumption that the records of 30 years ago in 800m are legit. The freak show begain in earnest in the 1970's. Coe's performance is suspect. It might even be possible that the Brit in the 2012 final is sober and his time is still way behind Coe's. How many countries have NRs which are 30 years old where doping was not involved?

The altitude point is interesting. Hine's performance seems a legitimate improvement in the 100m. Smith's record was broken in the 70's in Mexico City with little fanfare. By the late 70's athletes were avoiding altitude as the times always carried an *A in the record books.

 

[Dalakhani]

So Bolt goes 'full Wiggins':

Bolt had said the dominance of Jamaica was the result of hard work and training

I take back what I said about him earlier. While the reasoning that, "If you're working with a totally different physique, you smash records", makes sense, the argument that "hard work" gives you a big advantage over other hard working athletes, doesn't.

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

Dont know if this was posted already but Irish 50km walker, Rob Heffernan, reacted pretty strongly to the Schwazer admission. On twitter using the hashtag #cheatingbusturdo, (you've got to love that), he wrote that he hopes Schwatzer can also be stripped of his Euro medal from last year.

There was an item on speedwalking on tv last week, using the super slowmotion car technique. It proved every 'athlete' actually was cheating the rules, having both feet off the ground the whole race. Maybe Heffernan has some comments to that.

Cheating = cheating.

edit: loved that 200m final yesterday, really

 

[Trek1000]

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/olympics--usain-bolt-rips-carl-lewis---i-have-no-respect-for-him-.html





Warren Weir went from 20.43 to 19.84 in one year. He must have trained really hard!

If Bolt ever does test positive. There is not a single hope that it will be released.

It will be all covered up, maybe even already.

He is worth too much to athletics and is even more powerful that the IAAF itself now.

Disgraceful really but the truth is this guy could test positive for EPO, HGH, Steroid and he would get away with it.

 

[levione]

Usain Bolt clocked 20.61 at 15. Unless you think he was doping then- and surely not even the most ridiculous of you (and that's a fair number) do- then taking 1.2 seconds off your time from 15-25 isn't unreasonable.

Some people on here try to back up their arguments, and whilst I disagree that's fair enough.

The people that are totally out of order are the mindless mudslingers who simply say: "Bolt lol," or condemn Enniss for being "too dominant," whilst ignoring the fac tthat many of her main rivals had particularly poor competitions.

I have even seen people throwing totally baseless allegations against Coe and Redgrave, again because their achievements were deemed to be too good.

If you simply dismiss anyone successful out of hand then anyone out there who sweats their guts out their whole life to achieve anything should just give up.

Some people do just excel. Don Bradman really was twice as good (statistically) as any other batsmen. Was Jim Thorpe on drugs in 1912? Jesse Owens?

It really depresses me that, in this day and age, people would highlight sa photo of a female Chinese athelete, who does not meet Western ideals of feminism and beauty, and all have a laugh. "Look how big and muscular she is. Drugs!"

Do you think that particularly camp men are all on feminising drugs?? No. Some men are born to have deep voices and hairy backs, some aren't. Some women are born with differing chemical balances within them. Some are born to model, some are born to throw.

You really spoil the credibility of the site by just chucking allegations round wildly.

The site really went into conspiracy overload when allegations about fixing the football came up. Why? Who benefits? Do you not understand the chance of that being leaked outweigh any benefit in doing it?

Are there dopers? Yes. Do those who haven't been caught, or had their names come up in files from a lab, or had twelve witnesses say they saw them do it deserve to be presumed to be clean? YES.

 

[neineinei]

There was an item on speedwalking on tv last week, using the super slowmotion car technique. It proved every 'athlete' actually was cheating the rules, having both feet off the ground the whole race. Maybe Heffernan has some comments to that.

Cheating = cheating.

edit: loved that 200m final yesterday, really

The rule says that you must have one foot at the ground at all time, as seen by the human eye. If you can't see it without a camera it isn't breaking the rules. The most important rule of racewalking is the one that requires that the supporting leg must straighten from the point of contact with the ground and remain straightened until the body passes directly over it.

Having both feet of the ground for 20 km takes other drugs than EPO.