Official National Championships thread

[auscyclefan94]

That Norwegian jersey is going to make it hard for TGAK to hide his epic sprint fails, from now on.

*Trolll alert*


Anyway...

 

[Andy99]

Hushovd, Arversen, Rasch, nordhaug...decent competition to me.
TGAK just rode away from them all. I think a thread is required.

GB Nats are a bit of a joke when the top 4 are all from the same team and the top 3 all sprint it out together, are from the same team. That's what I'd call not very impressive competition.

To be honest, I laughed more when Kristoff won the Norwegian Nationals.

Oh, and how on earth did BMC manage to lose the Swiss Nationals??

 

[auscyclefan94]

To be honest, I laughed more when Kristoff won the Norwegian Nationals.

Oh, and how on earth did BMC manage to lose the Swiss Nationals??

Yes but in the British Champs it is pretty much one big team who has controlled the race and run away with it. In the Norweigan everyone is on their own or only has 1 team mate therefore it is a harder and more aggressive championship.

BMC lost the Swiss Nats because Cancellara was too strong in the sprint. Morabito attacked on the climb a few times but couldn't drop Fabian. They did all they could.

 

[TeoSheva]

Surprise of the year: Lagutin wins the Uzbekistan title

 

[Andy99]

Yes but in the British Champs it is pretty much one big team who has controlled the race and run away with it. In the Norweigan everyone is on their own or only has 1 team mate therefore it is a harder and more aggressive championship.

BMC lost the Swiss Nats because Cancellara was too strong in the sprint. Morabito attacked on the climb a few times but couldn't drop Fabian. They did all they could.

sky didn't exactly 'control' the race, it just happens that some of team sky were amongst the strongest and made the selection over the Ryals.

In terms of numbers, other than the single riders from HTC/Omega Pharma and 2 x from Garmin, there were 5 other Continental teams with the same number of riders to sky.

 

[auscyclefan94]

sky didn't exactly 'control' the race, it just happens that some of team sky were amongst the strongest and made the selection over the Ryals.

In terms of numbers, other than the single riders from HTC/Omega Pharma and 2 x from Garmin, there were 5 other Continental teams with the same number of riders to sky.

Well in the last two editions you have Sky taking up the podium, they have controlled the race. The Norweigan and Swiss National Champs were both exciting aggressive races which were open races.

 

[dlwssonic]

Morabito so close...He always gets close but rarely wins. I think Steve would of needed a slightly harder course (even though it was quite hard anyway).

I guess 2 Gold 3 Silver 2 Bronze for BMC ain't too bad.

its good to see that morabito and santamorita have good form to support cadel in the tdf. was quite worried about their form in the dauphine but it seems good not. the 3 silvers were lost in sprints:

 

[Andy99]

Well in the last two editions you have Sky taking up the podium, they have controlled the race. The Norweigan and Swiss National Champs were both exciting aggressive races which were open races.

and if sky hadn't, what would you be saying then..??

 

[Mellow Velo]

Yes but in the British Champs it is pretty much one big team who has controlled the race and run away with it. In the Norweigan everyone is on their own or only has 1 team mate therefore it is a harder and more aggressive championship.

The UK race is rated NC2, the Norwegian race NC3.
Even TGAK can beat the likes of Lars Petter Nordhaug, in a sprint

If you want to start to talk about trolling.........

and if sky hadn't, what would you be saying then..??

The same as folks say about BMC, I would imagine.

The Norweigan and Swiss National Champs were both exciting aggressive races which were open races.

Where did you manage to watch them?

 

[auscyclefan94]

its good to see that morabito and santamorita have good form to support cadel in the tdf. was quite worried about their form in the dauphine but it seems good not. the 3 silvers were lost in sprints:

Yep, it is starting to come together well for BMC.

Gold
Kristoff - Norweigan RR
Kohler - Swiss TT

Silver
Hincapie - USA RR
Santambrogio - Italian RR
Morabito - Swiss RR

Bronze
Kohler - Swiss RR
Frank - Swiss TT


good effort by our boys.

 

[auscyclefan94]

and if sky hadn't, what would you be saying then..??

The last two years the GB Nats have been closed races because of Sky. If Sky hasn't won the race then I think it would of most likely been a lot better race.

The UK race is rated NC2, the Norwegian race NC3.
Even TGAK can beat the likes of Lars Petter Nordhaug, in a sprint

If you want to start to talk about trolling.........

Yes and when did anyone really take UCI rankings seriously...

The reason why you make such comments is because many of your posts are just to bait myself or to bring down things that I think or like. Quite sad actually.

 

[Mellow Velo]

The last two years the GB Nats have been closed races because of Sky. If Sky hasn't won the race then I think it would of most likely been a lot better race.

Quite possibly.
Last year's race was wickedly hard. Came down to strength, so the team effort was certainly a factor.
Don't get to see this year for a week, so can't say how "exciting" it was.

Yes and when did anyone really take UCI rankings seriously...

The reason why you make such comments is because many of your posts are just to bait myself or to bring down things that I think or like. Quite sad actually.

No, it is a serious observation.
You slam the UK event as being a joke and praise the Norwegian race.
Would you be saying that if Lars Petter Nordhaug had won?
Team-centric opinion is what is truly sad.

Simple gauge. How many PT riders were in each race?

 

[Andy99]

A further point is that irrespective of who rode for which team, the Nationals are actually an individual event.

It's not as if G/Wiggo/Kennaugh weren't actually racing against each other.

I mean look at the Aussie Nationals. The riders there are even listed under their club teams...

 

[auscyclefan94]

Quite possibly.
Last year's race was wickedly hard. Came down to strength, so the team effort was certainly a factor.
Don't get to see this year for a week, so can't say how "exciting" it was.




No, it is a serious observation.
You slam the UK event as being a joke and praise the Norwegian race.
Would you be saying that if Lars Petter Nordhaug had won?
Team-centric opinion is what is truly sad.

Simple gauge. How many PT riders were in each race?

Oh yes, number of PT riders in each race makes the title valid or not valid. It is not team centric opinion. 24 riders went away early in the race. Numerous attacks from various riders on different teams throughout the race of which guys like Kristoff had to cover. Kristoff rides away from another guys and wins the sprint. I'd call that a wide open race irrelevant of the team.

Many national championships are listed as riding for their local clubs but riders just about always ride for their pro teams.

 

[hrotha]

A further point is that irrespective of who rode for which team, the Nationals are actually an individual event.

It's not as if G/Wiggo/Kennaugh weren't actually racing against each other.

I mean look at the Aussie Nationals. The riders there are even listed under their club teams...

Depends. At the Spanish national, Movistar always rides as a ruthless block.

 

[dlwssonic]

cant take away anything from TGAK's win they way he won it was quite impressive as he covered a lot of attacks and did well on the hills.

 

[gregod]

on the podium after the finish of the Japanese Men's road race, Yukiya Arashiro of Europcar joked, "you should scan Beppu's bike. After all, it's the same a Cancellara's."

 

[Mellow Velo]

Depends. At the Spanish national, Movistar always rides as a ruthless block.

It does depend.
Last year, Thomas and Kennaugh certainly contested the sprint, but team effort on the hard course forced the rider selection.
Rivalry amongst Spanish squads has always been high on the agenda, so they do tend to ride, en block.

If folks want to argue that Sky found it easy to control the race, I would refer them to the Italian event, where things worked out somewhat differently.

 

[Timmy-loves-Rabo]

cant take away anything from TGAK's win they way he won it was quite impressive as he covered a lot of attacks and did well on the hills.

no one is lol.
MW just disliked the belittling of one nat race while another race, with a weaker field arguably is applauded merely because a rider of the team you like won.

 

[Winterfold]

ACF - you fail

Of course the number of Pro Tour riders in an event will have a bearing on its difficulty.

So are you going to answer MV's question or shut up?

I will give you credit as an Ozzie supporting a Swiss team rider in the Norwegian national race, which makes a change from the usual Ozzie, Ozzie, Ozzie we expect from colonial types.

 

[auscyclefan94]

ACF - you fail

Of course the number of Pro Tour riders in an event will have a bearing on its difficulty.

So are you going to answer MV's question or shut up?

I will give you credit as an Ozzie supporting a Swiss team rider in the Norwegian national race, which makes a change from the usual Ozzie, Ozzie, Ozzie we expect from colonial types.

No I don't fail. I did answer MV's question. I find it funny you sterotype me as a colonial type when you carried on like a baby for no reason in the WIlunga Hill thread. Nice work ****!

no one is lol.
MW just disliked the belittling of one nat race while another race, with a weaker field arguably is applauded merely because a rider of the team you like won.

Belittling? Going on the calibre of each rider, GB Nats are better. I never said to the contrary of that. Again, false claims about what others said should not be made.

I appluaded Alexander's win because:

1) He's a rider I like on a team I like
2) Because He rode very well to win, he didn't wait for a sprint and did a lot of attacking and working on the front to win.
3) He had no team mates which means it was a more open and tatically difficult race to read.

The GB Nats composed of a very dominant team being Sky of which the others really had little chance to beat them. That's why I disliked it. Don't take my comments out of context, please.

 

[Parrulo]

I have an offer you can't refuse; let's team up against the Dutchies during Le Tour Mafia Porto-Belgica

JVDB and Paulinho just arent going to cut it so feel free to ally this Belgio Portugese Mafia behind Team Samu

i like this alliance. the dutchies and aussies won't work so thats just empty threats by D_T

is with pleasure that i officially declare the formation of the porto-belgo-basc alliance for the TdF 2011

 

[Timmy-loves-Rabo]

No I don't fail. I did answer MV's question. I find it funny you sterotype me as a colonial type when you carried on like a baby for no reason in the WIlunga Hill thread. Nice work ****!


Belittling? Going on the calibre of each rider, GB Nats are better. I never said to the contrary of that. Again, false claims about what others said should not be made.

I appluaded Alexander's win because:

1) He's a rider I like on a team I like
2) Because He rode very well to win, he didn't wait for a sprint and did a lot of attacking and working on the front to win.
3) He had no team mates which means it was a more open and tatically difficult race to read.

The GB Nats composed of a very dominant team being Sky of which the others really had little chance to beat them. That's why I disliked it. Don't take my comments out of context, please.

truth be told I didn't read the whole argument, that is what I gathered from the posts I read. I was attempting to be objective, nothing more.

Apologies if you feel your posts were taken out of context.

I think every champ is worthy anyway. Teams might be positive, but you still gotta be strong to finish it off.

 

[TourOfSardinia]

It'll be easier to pick him (Wiggins) out getting dropped in the mountains

nice observation,
lol

 

[Winterfold]

ACF - read my post I was characterising you as being a bit above the usual colonial nonsense - but as I never even posted in the Willunga Hill thread* obviously what people actually say or type doesnt have any impact on what you think - so I will change my mind back - you bogan moron

Back OT

Personally I love that Sky open a can of whupass over the likes of Kristian House and Rapha, they need putting in their place once a year.

Cav will have to make do with the rainbow jersey.

*incidentally now I have had a look at it that thread has only one person going on and on and on... Can you guess who it is yet?