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Libertine Seguros

Libertine Seguros

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Captain_Cavman said:
Makes a point.


In the long term, time will sort this problem out. I can't see there being just one top tier team with a GBR biased recruitment policy for ever. Maybe there'll be more in the future, maybe less but there's no point making a rule change just to suit today's circumstance.

And the fact that the break was 3-0 in favour of Sky, means that they were the three strongest on the day, team tactics played little part. In the women's however, Nicole Cooke got ganged up on 3-1 yet no-one's complaining about that.
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This makes a change from last year, when the exact same thing happened, and Nicole was complaining. Guess she knew to expect it this time around. I have to say, I don't think the MCipollini-Giambenini team has really clicked so far this season.
 
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Captain_Cavman said:
Makes a point.


In the long term, time will sort this problem out. I can't see there being just one top tier team with a GBR biased recruitment policy for ever. Maybe there'll be more in the future, maybe less but there's no point making a rule change just to suit today's circumstance.

And the fact that the break was 3-0 in favour of Sky, means that they were the three strongest on the day, team tactics played little part. In the women's however, Nicole Cooke got ganged up on 3-1 yet no-one's complaining about that.
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actually, the original break was 13 riders and Sky had 6 in there. Then the group reduced to 6 (Wiggins, Thomas, Kennaugh, Stannard, House, Bibby).. took a while for it to reduce to 3

as for nicole cooke. Nobodies complaining about that, because most of the fans dont, well, they support the other riders over her. Even after the race when Lizzie armitstead and the rest of the girls were mixing with the fans, signing autographs, having photos taken, Nicole was moaning at the Marshalls asking how long the presentation would be and was there somewhere private for her to sit while they waited.
 
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I was simply trying to make the point that people on this thread are complaining about the men's race being dominated by Sky when it didn't seem to have much bearing on the outcome given where people finished. Whereas there are no complaints about the women's race which was almost certainly determined by the strength of Garmin Cervelo and the lack of support for Cooke.

I know Nicole Cooke doesn't win many popularity contests but my illustration was about whether powerful teams should have numbers restricted in National Championships in order to produce 'fairer' racing. It seems as though it's OK to knock Sky's domination but not other worthier cases.
 
will10

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Captain_Cavman said:
I was simply trying to make the point that people on this thread are complaining about the men's race being dominated by Sky when it didn't seem to have much bearing on the outcome given where people finished. Whereas there are no complaints about the women's race which was almost certainly determined by the strength of Garmin Cervelo and the lack of support for Cooke.

I know Nicole Cooke doesn't win many popularity contests but my illustration was about whether powerful teams should have numbers restricted in National Championships in order to produce 'fairer' racing. It seems as though it's OK to knock Sky's domination but not other worthier cases.
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Sky had the same number of riders as Endura, Motorpoint, Rapha.... reduce the number of riders and the result will be the same.
 
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will10 said:
Sky had the same number of riders as Endura, Motorpoint, Rapha.... reduce the number of riders and the result will be the same.
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yah

If Sky had just two riders then Wiggo and G would still have made the break and then ridden away it on that course.

They are just that much better these days.

The English rider (who is the best allround GB rider) beat the Welsh rider ( who is pretty much 2nd best) for 1-2.

Seems like an accurate result.

If Millar entered I dare say he would have been on the podium.
 
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El Pistolero

El Pistolero

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boomcie said:
I really like how Gilbert attacks. Not accelerating once, but a several times. I've seen him do it a few times before, I'm always thinking he's not getting a sufficient gap, but he just keeps giving impulses to those pedals and that's why he distances the others.

Epic.
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Yeah, Boonen said it as well in his post race interview :p
 
El Pistolero

El Pistolero

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hrotha said:
Too bad just 38 km aren't enough to capture all of Gilbert's awesomeness. He started attacking with what, ~70 km to go?
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bkl8IDcF_TY&feature=related

Here you go Sir. At 100km to go he started attacking, so sadly you can't see that awesomeness as the vid starts at 72km :(.

It happened like this:

Gilbert paced the peloton on a flat part at 100km to go and only a group of around 14 cyclists survived. The gap was around 16 seconds, but the peloton closed in after 10km or so(Gilbert obviously wasn't pacing the group the whole 10km). When the peloton almost closed the gap Philippe Gilbert once again went on the front and only Boonen and Devolder could close the gap from the peloton to the leading group and the peloton was distanced again because of Gilbert, this time for good.

For an extremely flat course it was a pretty good NC. The only helling in there was the Gitsberg and that's a cobbled "hill" of 1.9%... And Phil distanced them all there :eek:
 
El Pistolero

El Pistolero

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boomcie said:
El Pistolet, where you the one who posted this totally awesome video a while back?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3A7_kG2_3U

I honestly can't wait to see the 2011 version :)
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Yeah, that was me. I hope the person that made that vid makes one this year as well, will be twice as epic!

Though with races that favor lot's of attacking far from the finish line like Paris-Tours, Clasica San Sebastian and Giro di Lombardia it can become so much more impressive.
 
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Congrats to everyone who has won. Favourite wins were the British men's/ Womens RR and Gilbert's, along with Visconti's and BMC's fail ( wah ) French for Chavanel and Luxembourg's Shleck duo with Andy gifting the win to Frank. Does not bode well for TDF
 
dlwssonic

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greenedge said:
Congrats to everyone who has won. Favourite wins were the British men's/ Womens RR and Gilbert's, along with Visconti's and BMC's fail ( wah ) French for Chavanel and Luxembourg's Shleck duo with Andy gifting the win to Frank. Does not bode well for TDF
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andy said he gave the win to frank because he would be working for him in le tour.
 
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greenedge said:
Yeah but after Andy thinks he might have wrapped up 1st he shall relent and help Frank letting someone go onto the win and be 1st overall whilst they are 2nd and 3rd
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this sounds more like wishful think. yes he is no the best tactically but do that is just pure stupidity.
 
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