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Valverde never *** up a test either. Just got implicated. He was probably able to resume doping after his comeback without changing anything.
 
Sep 29, 2012
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Netserk said:
Not just relatively (there can be no doubt about that), but in absolute terms, is this the best Valverde ever (throughout the season)?
My recollections are not exhaustive, but NIbali (strongest I've ever seen him) and CQ points seem to indicate it is the best version of Valverde we have ever seen.
 
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Dear Wiggo said:
Netserk said:
Not just relatively (there can be no doubt about that), but in absolute terms, is this the best Valverde ever (throughout the season)?
My recollections are not exhaustive, but NIbali (strongest I've ever seen him) and CQ points seem to indicate it is the best version of Valverde we have ever seen.
CQ points don't say anything about absolute athletic strength, but how well he is doing compared to everyone else. I'm interested in how strong he is compared to Kelme or 2005 Valverde in absolute terms.
 
Sep 29, 2012
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Netserk said:
Dear Wiggo said:
Netserk said:
Not just relatively (there can be no doubt about that), but in absolute terms, is this the best Valverde ever (throughout the season)?
My recollections are not exhaustive, but NIbali (strongest I've ever seen him) and CQ points seem to indicate it is the best version of Valverde we have ever seen.
CQ points don't say anything about absolute athletic strength, but how well he is doing compared to everyone else. I'm interested in how strong he is compared to Kelme or 2005 Valverde in absolute terms.
I am not sure how you'd determine that without objective data, but apologies for answering in error.
 
Sep 8, 2009
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Netserk said:
Dear Wiggo said:
Netserk said:
Not just relatively (there can be no doubt about that), but in absolute terms, is this the best Valverde ever (throughout the season)?
My recollections are not exhaustive, but NIbali (strongest I've ever seen him) and CQ points seem to indicate it is the best version of Valverde we have ever seen.
CQ points don't say anything about absolute athletic strength, but how well he is doing compared to everyone else. I'm interested in how strong he is compared to Kelme or 2005 Valverde in absolute terms.

definitely much slower than before puerto
with his 2005 courchevel form, he would have won this tour easily
and kelme form was beyond awesome too.
 
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The Hitch said:
Thanks. So a full minute faster in "post epo" era than in cera era. From a 35 year old convicted doper. That should pretty much put the - cycling is now clean discussion to bed.
Valverde was part of the peanut gallery waiting for Evans to chase in 2008, but that's still a hefty improvement.
 
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jens_attacks said:
Netserk said:
Dear Wiggo said:
Netserk said:
Not just relatively (there can be no doubt about that), but in absolute terms, is this the best Valverde ever (throughout the season)?
My recollections are not exhaustive, but NIbali (strongest I've ever seen him) and CQ points seem to indicate it is the best version of Valverde we have ever seen.
CQ points don't say anything about absolute athletic strength, but how well he is doing compared to everyone else. I'm interested in how strong he is compared to Kelme or 2005 Valverde in absolute terms.

definitely much slower than before puerto
with his 2005 courchevel form, he would have won this tour easily
and kelme form was beyond awesome too.
Valverde's a better stage racer now, but nothing on the rider he was in the classics though.
 
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jens_attacks said:
definitely much slower than before puerto
with his 2005 courchevel form, he would have won this tour easily
and kelme form was beyond awesome too.
That was something special, he did weigh 500 grams extra that day I think.
 
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The Hitch said:
Thanks. So a full minute faster in "post epo" era than in cera era. From a 35 year old convicted doper. That should pretty much put the - cycling is now clean discussion to bed.

Not sure you can ignore the fact that the 2008 stage was 6+ hrs, including the Galibier before they even touched the Croix de Fer. As well as all that messing about once Sastre attacked. Context...
 
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simoni said:
The Hitch said:
Thanks. So a full minute faster in "post epo" era than in cera era. From a 35 year old convicted doper. That should pretty much put the - cycling is now clean discussion to bed.

Not sure you can ignore the fact that the 2008 stage was 6+ hrs, including the Galibier before they even touched the Croix de Fer. As well as all that messing about once Sastre attacked. Context...
True. And, anyway, there is too much emphasis on numbers.
 
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jens_attacks said:
Netserk said:
Dear Wiggo said:
Netserk said:
Not just relatively (there can be no doubt about that), but in absolute terms, is this the best Valverde ever (throughout the season)?
My recollections are not exhaustive, but NIbali (strongest I've ever seen him) and CQ points seem to indicate it is the best version of Valverde we have ever seen.
CQ points don't say anything about absolute athletic strength, but how well he is doing compared to everyone else. I'm interested in how strong he is compared to Kelme or 2005 Valverde in absolute terms.

definitely much slower than before puerto
with his 2005 courchevel form, he would have won this tour easily
and kelme form was beyond awesome too.
Hard to judge since that was the first mtf of that year's Tour. Many riders that year struggled on that first climb including the eventual 2nd step on the podium finisher, Basso. His Kelme form never netted him a grand tour win although he had some impressive Vuelta performances, especially his comeback victory from getting dropped on the La Pandera (I can't recall the year) but I do recall it was with the last iteration of Kelme (Communidad Valenciana). Loved that kit!
 
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Angliru said:
jens_attacks said:
Netserk said:
Dear Wiggo said:
Netserk said:
Not just relatively (there can be no doubt about that), but in absolute terms, is this the best Valverde ever (throughout the season)?
My recollections are not exhaustive, but NIbali (strongest I've ever seen him) and CQ points seem to indicate it is the best version of Valverde we have ever seen.
CQ points don't say anything about absolute athletic strength, but how well he is doing compared to everyone else. I'm interested in how strong he is compared to Kelme or 2005 Valverde in absolute terms.

definitely much slower than before puerto
with his 2005 courchevel form, he would have won this tour easily
and kelme form was beyond awesome too.
Hard to judge since that was the first mtf of that year's Tour. Many riders that year struggled on that first climb including the eventual 2nd step on the podium finisher, Basso. His Kelme form never netted him a grand tour win although he had some impressive Vuelta performances, especially his comeback victory from getting dropped on the La Pandera (I can't recall the year) but I do recall it was with the last iteration of Kelme (Communidad Valenciana). Loved that kit!
Really hard to say. I always thought that the final week of the 2013 Vuelta featured one of the strongest versions of post-ban Velverde, top 6 all time on the Angliru, 20 seconds faster than in 2008 and 13 seconds faster than 2011 Froome on Peña Cabarga.
 
Sep 8, 2009
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It's nothing hard yo judge
2005: fastest tour de france ever, brutal speed in the mountains, strongest armstrong ever
Valverde was most likely thrown away from the race

That fuccin strong.
 
Feb 7, 2016
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I am a fan, but i do not understand how can he keep good/excellent form throughout the WHOLE season. Or maybe I do ;)
 

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