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jsem94

jsem94

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Cologna did that on waxless? I thought all teams used kickwax today, even though the conditions were similar to the 5K Classic race in the Tour de Ski where everyone raced without kick wax.

Anyway, Olsson is just in an incredible shape and is simply unbeatable atm. And what a great race by Justyna.
 
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goggalor said:
Bizarre production in the 10 km race right now... Basically just crowd shots.

Edit: Oh dear, that was brutal.
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I know. :mad::confused::(

And, yes, two brutal winners today.
 
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Was Cologna on the 'zero' skis with the fiber kick zone?

Never mind, found the answer. He was on the zeros. Olsson's wax techs must have really nailed it today.
 
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my post # 299:
cologna 2nd, what a frecking animal to manage this on waxless skis ...
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this was my own observation derived from seeing his 'zero' white bases (as i was watching the race live) and making mental notes about his 'lack' of glide as his splits were posted on the screen.

glad someone confirmed it post race - cologna indeed is an animal blessed with fantastic engine.
 
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Daniel Richardsson 2nd in Tartu Ski Maraton, after last days wishy-washy 15km in Poland.

He is so good at double poling, he's a got a good chance at making a great race out of Vasaloppet. Eldar Rønning's also done a lot of double poling training and is going to race Vasaloppet. Going to be a great race
 
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Prediction game: Vasaloppet edition!

One of the Auklands to podium, but not win. The Norwegian curse will not lift.
Eldar top 10.
Thomas Alsgaard top 15.
Northug top 20.
 
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Anyone watch ski-jumping? It's a lot more exciting now that the Austrians aren't dominating anymore. And the Japanese are back as a major force, which is cool.
 
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Tyler'sTwin said:
Johannes Bø is pretty fast.

http://docs.biathlonresults.com/1112/BT/JWRL/CH__/YMIN/BT_C77A_1.0.pdf
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Looks like France could have another great shooter coming up.

jsem94 said:
I used to follow ski jumping when I was a smaller, like 10 years ago.

I watched the competition yesterday in Oberstdorf. I saw Kasai and was like WAT! That dude is like 40 and still going strong.
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I know. :eek:

Day old news, but Remen Evensen quits. :( Says his body is too muscular and he hasn't been able to get his weight down.
 
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A dutch(!) girl won the junior (U-21) women's individual race after hitting 19/20 targets.

http://docs.biathlonresults.com/1112/BT/JWRL/CH__/JWIN/BT_C77A_1.0.pdf

Can you guess the nationality of the dominant skier? :rolleyes:

Nielsa said:
Looks like France could have another great shooter coming up.
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Speaking of great shooters, here's an awesome ranking that combines shooting percentage with range time.

http://realbiathlon.blogspot.com/20...s.html#!/2012/02/most-effective-shooters.html

The outcome is pretty unexpected, at least to me.
 
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Libertine Seguros said:
you mean Germans.

Franzi Hildebrand excepted, pretty much every German in the World Cup falls into this trap. When they shoot well, they're almost inevitably up there near the top (Neuner/Peiffer/Birnbacher most obviously).
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Tyler'sTwin said:
...here's an awesome ranking that combines shooting percentage with range time.

http://realbiathlon.blogspot.com/20...s.html#!/2012/02/most-effective-shooters.html

The outcome is pretty unexpected, at least to me.
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Gemany has 5 of the top 10 men, with Andi Birnbacher claiming the top spot, and Neuner shoots better than Hildebrand, despite the "Domracheva" in Nove Mesto.

True story.
 
Libertine Seguros

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Tyler'sTwin said:
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Gemany has 5 of the top 10 men, with Andi Birnbacher claiming the top spot, and Neuner shoots better than Hildebrand, despite the "Domracheva" in Nove Mesto.

True story.
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Birnbacher's shooting has been excellent this season and it's been a big part of his rejuvenation in the last 18 months. Peiffer being up there is something of a surprise to me - certainly last season he was a bit of a Lars Berger-alike; very fast on the skis but liable to spray the bullets around. Last season quite a few of the German men were pretty quick but inaccurate; when they could string a few shots together they were able to contend - clearly this is something that they have worked on in the offseason and improved massively. It could also be something to do with the people in the team as well; the likes of Stephan, Wolf and Greis are gone, while youngsters like the Grafs have come forward, previously unreliable and erratic performers like Schempp have stepped up, and Michael Rösch has come in from way out in the cold. The team has been massively revamped and this has had a clear effect.

Regarding the women, I'm afraid that a couple of things I must take issue with. Firstly, this statistic is based on time lost at the range, rather than accuracy (though Neuner is above Hildebrand on the table, Franzi is more accurate, with 86,8% as opposed to Neuner's 84,3%), and secondly this is specified as being for the sprint format only. Taking other formats into account and the story may be different (especially thinking about the Individual). Secondly, Franzi is the only German woman for whom the shooting is her discipline; that is where all her time gains are. She is not fast on the trails, but she stays out of the loops. That's why I specified her; Neuner's shooting has been much better from stand this season (she's been good in prone for some time, but her reputation has preceded her thanks to her erratic stand) and even Miriam Gößner has shown improvement, but a lot of them are quick skiers who use that to make up for inconsistency with the rifle (notably Bachmann's rifle performance is worse according to those stats than I expected); Franzi's a dead-eye who relies on that to make up for lack of ski speed.

Goes to show how perceptions and statistics don't always align. Because of the flaws in the statistics (limiting to one form of competition) they aren't perfect, but they certainly show some of my perceptions to be a little off base.
 
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Libertine Seguros said:
Birnbacher's shooting has been excellent this season and it's been a big part of his rejuvenation in the last 18 months. Peiffer being up there is something of a surprise to me - certainly last season he was a bit of a Lars Berger-alike; very fast on the skis but liable to spray the bullets around. Last season quite a few of the German men were pretty quick but inaccurate; when they could string a few shots together they were able to contend - clearly this is something that they have worked on in the offseason and improved massively. It could also be something to do with the people in the team as well; the likes of Stephan, Wolf and Greis are gone, while youngsters like the Grafs have come forward, previously unreliable and erratic performers like Schempp have stepped up, and Michael Rösch has come in from way out in the cold. The team has been massively revamped and this has had a clear effect.

Regarding the women, I'm afraid that a couple of things I must take issue with. Firstly, this statistic is based on time lost at the range, rather than accuracy (though Neuner is above Hildebrand on the table, Franzi is more accurate, with 86,8% as opposed to Neuner's 84,3%), and secondly this is specified as being for the sprint format only. Taking other formats into account and the story may be different (especially thinking about the Individual). Secondly, Franzi is the only German woman for whom the shooting is her discipline; that is where all her time gains are. She is not fast on the trails, but she stays out of the loops. That's why I specified her; Neuner's shooting has been much better from stand this season (she's been good in prone for some time, but her reputation has preceded her thanks to her erratic stand) and even Miriam Gößner has shown improvement, but a lot of them are quick skiers who use that to make up for inconsistency with the rifle (notably Bachmann's rifle performance is worse according to those stats than I expected); Franzi's a dead-eye who relies on that to make up for lack of ski speed.

Goes to show how perceptions and statistics don't always align. Because of the flaws in the statistics (limiting to one form of competition) they aren't perfect, but they certainly show some of my perceptions to be a little off base.
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The statistics are not based on time lost on the range rather than accuracy, nor are they specified as being for the sprint format only. The statistics are based on average shooting percentage (excluding relays) and average range time, to work out average time lost through shooting, on the range and in the penalty loop. Thus, the stats are relevant for sprints, pursuits and mass starts. Now, the ranking he presents states, "time lost in a sprint", but it incorporates stats from all 4 disciplines, so it's more like "average time lost on the range and in the penalty loop through 1 prone shooting and 1 standing shooting"... which is like a sprint...

It's fairly easy to show that Hildebrand loses more time through shooting than Neuner does. In 5 sprint races, Franzi will hit one more target than Lena, saving her ~25s, but she'll lose about 50s on the range. In 5 pursuits/mass starts, Franzi will hit 2 more targets, but lose 1m40s on the range. Now, in reality, it's a bit more complicated than that, because percentages vary from discipline to discipline, but we can still determine that Neuner loses less time through shooting than does Hildebrand... excluding the 3 individuals where acuracy is more important...

You're right about changes in the german men's team having vastly improved their shooting proficiency as a team.
 
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Nielsa

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That was a very interesting link, thanks for posting it!


BTW Ski flying W-Champs tomorrow. Get ready for those 240m+ jumps!
 
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