O'Grady non-confession-confession confession

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Ferminal said:
Is that code for "I'm on a pretty decent program as well, you know"?

First thought that occurred to me. Brilliant physiology + good program and someone just went past like they were on a motorbike.

No way O'grady of the Miller partying hard clique doesn't know doping goes on in the upper echelons.
 
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Dear Wiggo said:
First thought that occurred to me. Brilliant physiology + good program and someone just went past like they were on a motorbike.

No way O'grady of the Miller partying hard clique doesn't know doping goes on in the upper echelons.

This is definitely true. If you're in France and want to be hooked up for some good pot belge/X, Mr O'Grady is the man to make friends with. You might have to put up with his AC/DC, tho.
 
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What is that load of bull.
Walking into doping control and peeing into the cup straight after that stage was one of the scariest moments of my life. My hands were shaking as I didn't know whether the EPO was still in my system.
What is this.

What.
 
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hrotha said:
What is that load of bull.

What is this.

What.

That as my exact thoughts. This whole story is a lie.

Stuey scared straight because he was afraid of testing positive for a drug that was undetectable at the time.
 
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Amazing how many of these guys only doped once or twice and never did it again. Two in one week, O'Grady and Vandevelde. Even more amazing how doping turned out to be useless.

O'Grady sets a new standard. "I may have, could have been, possibly was under the influence of EPO [I cannot be sure because it made so little difference.] when I took the yellow jersey but I never did it again."
 
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I liked this part the best
...all of a sudden the peloton slowed down and guys hopped off their bikes and sat on the road. It was a sit-down protest against the treatment of the riders at Dutch team TVM, who were being investigated.

...some of the protesting riders were doping but they dealt with the stress by going on the offensive.
"Some"

In 1998. Some? :D

Stuey and DZ, coming to a theater near you!
 
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BroDeal said:
Amazing how many of these guys only doped once or twice and never did it again. Two in one week, O'Grady and Vandevelde. Even more amazing how doping turned out to be useless.

O'Grady sets a new standard. "I may have, could have been, possibly was under the influence of EPO [I cannot be sure because it made so little difference.] when I took the yellow jersey but I never did it again."
he and Henk used to laugh about Edgar openly on Aus domestic season fast rides in the off-season in the 90s.
 
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42x16ss said:
He'll probably continue to be as well. Australia has just thrashed England 5-0 in the Ashes test series and the Aus Open is just around the corner with Lleyton Hewitt showing his first real form in donkeys years. The English Premier League is getting more publicity ATM than off season cycling news ever will and even though the TDU is a few weeks away it's only a small blip in the sports news here.

O'Grady picked the perfect time to say something this stupid. Unless you actually get up and actively chase current cycling news online you wouldn't even know about it.
and he is close friends with Gery Ryan, who would now be in the top 10 of most powerful Australians in sport.

Big in horse racing, ofcourse, no dope going on with the nags, and he won the Melbourne cup with a horse Americain.

And a guy who got killed on a ride on (Melbourne's Beach Road), and was a former pro from a really small team, may have been the Quickstep feeder team actually, this gentleman was due at ASADA after a positive, when he was back riding domestic. I think he road for Praties/before Huon-Genisis Wealth iteration, but he only rode for them for one season without any notable performances, quite anonymous really...

Anyway, Gerry Ryan rang him and said he would fund his defense against ASADA.

Since then, he has become winner of Melbourne Cup and President of Cycling Australia.
 
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Benotti69 said:
Lets see how many cycling journalists question O'Grady about his bullsh!t.

he is the most popular man in the sport in Australia, by a country mile. Everyone loves him in this sport, which dy-an-large divides into cliques.

exception that proves the rule is Mcewen. But Mcewen managed to put-off many, until his winning brought them back.
 
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mewmewmew13 said:
Doping or not Zabel was twice + the man that Stuey ever was...

well, chances are Ete will never hear it, unless Jason Phillips gets in his ear in Koln when he is providing his son with some SRAM product

Ferminal said:
omgomg

http://www.theage.com.au/sport/cycl...by-ogradys-drug-admission-20140104-30b00.html

"It matters to me because you didn't make a career out of it [if you doped once],'' he said.

"Someone like [Erik] Zabel has said 'I did it my whole career'. That's a false career.''


That is magic, even more so if a deliberate troll.
trying to promote the book, as I said, Ete will never hear of it, so it is not major problem. And is it a real troll, I would think p'raps, Stuey has sublimated all those green jersey losses, and this may be externalising those losses in a psychological stream Stuey would not appreciate, but an algorithm would get a handle on this cypher

ChewbaccaD said:
O'Grady is just the kind of scum that nobody ever needs to let near young cyclists. "We believe you Stuey Aussie Aussie Aussie Oi Oi Oi"...and the beat goes on.
well, he will be still seen as the most prominent cyclist in the sport, by those INSIDE the sport, they love him. And he will always be able to access jobs for the boys, or bike tours in July

del1962 said:
The problem for Stuey is that he did not come out and confess to his 1999 doping, then the truce came out through the tests, so he has lost peoples trust, so when he says what he says about P-R and the olympics it is natural for people to not beleive him, he would be better keeping his mouth shut even if he didn't dope then
the thing with telling a lie, you do not have the authentic memory to go back to, so you will trip over yourself and contradict lies with further lies. It is pretty easy for the layperson sleuth to triangulate the BS and find the manifest contradictions

Benotti69 said:
Lets see how many cycling journalists question O'Grady about his bullsh!t.
none, they love him too. Rupert Guinness was best mates with Phil anderson and lived with him in the 1980s when he was editing the euro desk of Velonews, so dont assume that anything has changed. Can you imagine Anthony Tan putting the hard word on Stuey? lol - babushka doll ftw. or not
Benotti69 said:
Zabel has managed to stay in the sport, something O'Grady is going to hopefully find hard to do.

Not that i am happy about Zabel being in the sport.
nah, Stuey will be well kept in Australia, tho it is impossible to have major gigs in this far antipodean continent in the northern hemisphere summer

neineinei said:
O'Grady claims to have taken EPO in "extremely cautious amounts" for two weeks prior to TdF1998 and then destroyed all of his stash when the Festina affair broke, right before the Tour started. Still his sample from July 26, two weeks into the race, was positive for EPO. How can anyone believe even that part of the story?

most will. The Clinic knows bull**** being sold as propaganda and retirement book(s)

Dear Wiggo said:
Seems like a long half-life for a "cautious" amount.

Maybe, just as "more than 10 years ago" = March last year, 2 weeks = 2 years, and cautious = as much as would fit in the needle?
yep. cautious is just tapping it with your finger to remove the air bubbles.

86TDFWinner said:
I bet it won't be many, if at all. He's like Teflon for some reason. We'll have to see.
some reason? hes Stuey farkin Ogrady. They luv him.

But, I always thought Allan Davis would win green jerseys, and win San Remo, I think therer were two Via Roma(s)/falling leaves where he was the fastest in the finish but had to come from too far back and just got on the podium. Then Fuentes and Purto, and Mike Turtur could not fix it up at the UCI, (he was a board member, and I think he was in the hierarchy for a future Pres, like Pat the heir to Hein, I thought Turtur was also in the promotion barrell) , so Liberty Seguros and Manolo Saiz was his downfall. He now cant find a team at 32. Tho I think Mcewen was about 29/30 when he moved to Lotto for his success. But the fastmen in the peloton have certainly gone way past Davis' speed now.

42x16ss said:
He'll probably continue to be as well. Australia has just thrashed England 5-0 in the Ashes test series and the Aus Open is just around the corner with Lleyton Hewitt showing his first real form in donkeys years. The English Premier League is getting more publicity ATM than off season cycling news ever will and even though the TDU is a few weeks away it's only a small blip in the sports news here.

O'Grady picked the perfect time to say something this stupid. Unless you actually get up and actively chase current cycling news online you wouldn't even know about it.

yep, he will be back in July for expert comments during the Tour.
 
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the sceptic said:
Its only the evil spaniards and italians that do things like that. Anyone that is part of the british empire that got busted for doping only doped once and then rode clean for the rest of their careers. (Millar, Hesjedal etc)

nah, Millar said he doped only twice. Did he win 2 worlds, and the Euro Disney Futurocope chrono (that was longer than a chrono, like DZs win)

and Rogers never doped.
 
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Ferminal said:
How long before he does a White!?

Give him 12 months, he will be back. Maybe they can even roll Vance out again just to make sure of it.
Gerry invited him down for the Herald-Sun Tour as a guest for his psychological protection (see: VIP status and loads of coke, the colombian variety, and prolly a 10k cheque for turning up)
 
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del1962 said:
The problem for Stuey is that he did not come out and confess to his 1999 doping, then the truce came out through the tests, so he has lost peoples trust, so when he says what he says about P-R and the olympics it is natural for people to not beleive him, he would be better keeping his mouth shut even if he didn't dope then
apart from Clinic, no one cares about these details, and the Australian commentators like Tomalaris will never raise it.

Stuey will NEVER EVER NEVER EVER NEVER EVER

be referred to as

disgraced cycling Stuart OGrady,

He will only ever be referred to as Stuey Ogrady
 
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Yep. He'll have a high performance coachig role at either SASI or the AIS (either Canberra or Varese within a year or two, if he can avoid harsh investigation by the Aus media, just like Neil Stephens has.

Sadly his techinical skills on the track and road (which ARE vast, to his credit) will be seen as too much of an asset to ignore.
 
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blackcat said:
Gerry invited him down for the Herald-Sun Tour as a guest for his psychological protection (see: VIP status and loads of coke, the colombian variety, and prolly a 10k cheque for turning up)

He received a standing ovation after being introduced to the invited crowd by Liggett at a private dinner Ryan hosted at his winery that week.
 
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Stuey lied his freckles off about doping 'just once...and never, ever again.' Everyone knows that, even the sycophants that are happy to overlook it and just parrot the 'once a million years ago' defence.

But he shouldn't get off that easily.

It reminds me of a joke that some labels are made to stick:

I was in Ireland a few years ago and wandered into a beautiful old Irish pub out in the country somewhere. I was shocked to see such an amazing, warm old place completely empty. Maybe I'm early, I thought, or there's something happening nearby I don't know about. Anyway, I went and ordered a beer.

The barman pulled me a beer and stuck it in front of me. I was just about to take a sip when he asked, "How's the beer look? Does it have a good head an' all?"

"Umm, yeah," I stuttered.

"Do they call me Erik the barman? Nooooooooooo"

I continued to drink but the barman keep staring at me.

"So, what about this bar, is it ok so? He continued. "I made all the tables and chairs meself, but do they call me Eric the cabinet maker? Nooooooooo."

I started to feel a bit confused where all this was going, but Eric the Everything was riffing away now.

"I painted all the inside and outside, but do they call me Eric the painter and decorator? Noooooooo; I cook all the meals for the bistro, but do they call me Eric the chef"-

"I'm guessing no, Eric, they don't."

"That's right, lad, but I tell you what: You fook one pig...."
 
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Watt Matters said:
He received a standing ovation after being introduced to the invited crowd by Liggett at a private dinner Ryan hosted at his winery that week.
is Mitchelton gonna become Gerry Ryan, or is it spelled with a J, 's his new cycling vehicle without the superfluous need for Jayco?

Mitchelton does YT?


Listen, I know this thread is pretty anti S-O, but I dont hold that binary any more.

I am actually rating Stuey, Gerrans, and Anderson, above Mcewen and Evans, as the best three cyclists.

yeah he doped, that was never in doubt.

Though I do wonder, if Cookie had kept up his circa 2004 program, could he have been equal to them all. the famed DS Cyril Guimard was bullish on Cookie and touting him as the heir to the Museeuw throne.

Yeah, I know how JM got the throne. In a clean peloton, p'raps it is Eric Vanderaerden as the king of the cobbles and hell of the north.
 
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42x16ss said:
Yep. He'll have a high performance coachig role at either SASI or the AIS (either Canberra or Varese within a year or two, if he can avoid harsh investigation by the Aus media, just like Neil Stephens has.

Sadly his techinical skills on the track and road (which ARE vast, to his credit) will be seen as too much of an asset to ignore.

<devils advocate>

sadly?

if we had to deny any athlete with any connection to dope, being involved in the sport, there exists no sport.

He is flawed. But THEY ALL ARE.

this does not justify SO, but it goes a ways to explaining.
 
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Watt Matters said:
I can forgive a transgression, what I struggle with is the persistent lying about it and playing people for mugs. Like Nicki Vance:
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/report-orica-greenedge-release-vances-anti-doping-review
yeah, i know what you were saying. i could never reconcile the lies, then i worked out, this had primary cause with myself, and my own psychological interpretation.

Stuey lied. But he was put into a bind. If we appreciate, lets say, we concede, that a professional has to dope to pursue his career, then you must forgive the lies, and recognise there is this kabuki show (invoke PJK) where there is a meta dialogue going on for all those INSIDE the tent, i include the inhabitants of The Clinic, even the sockpuppets like arbiter/banprocycling, we all know the truth, but the athlete must uphold this charade for the public consumption.

the athlete is a mere cog in the artifice, he is not the system/she is not the system, they just play along to keep the whole show turning.