Olympics 2020 (2021): Harder to dope in Japan?

[fmk_RoI]

You know, fmrol asked for me to provide evidence of American influence in WADA

Still waiting, hon, still waiting...

 

[fmk_RoI]

Can you provide us with evidence that the Russians paid off the IOC to let them compete in the Olympics.

Saying the US is WADA's biggest donor is an objective statement of fact that can (or cannot) be supported by evidence (ie you are required to support your claim that the US's contribution to WADA's $38m 2019 budget is greater than the $17m the IOC paid in 2019 ).

Saying that something is all about money and influence is, clearly, a subjective statement of opinion. If such opinions had to be supported by facts this site would close tomorrow as everyone would be banned saying this rider is doping or that rider is doping.

 

[ngent41]

Saying the US is WADA's biggest donor is an objective statement of fact that can (or cannot) be supported by evidence (ie you are required to support your claim that the US's contribution to WADA's $38m 2019 budget is greater than the $17m the IOC paid in 2019 ).

Saying that something is all about money and influence is, clearly, a subjective statement of opinion. If such opinions had to be supported by facts this site would close tomorrow as everyone would be banned saying this rider is doping or that rider is doping.

The IOC does pay most of it, but as far as individual countries go, the US pays basically twice as much as the next highest country, and way more than most countries. USADA, or whoever technically pays it, was withholding half their payment this year and I don't know if they paid the rest or not.

https://www.wada-ama.org/sites/default/files/resources/files/wada_contributions_2021_update_en_1.pdf

 

[fmk_RoI]

The IOC does pay most of it, but as far as individual countries go, the US pays basically twice as much as the next highest country, and way more than most countries.

In 2019 the USA coughed up $2.5m (out of a total budget of $38m). Canada, on the other hand, coughed up $1.2m plus another $1.5m, for a total contribution of $2.7m. The way I was thought math in school, $2.7m is greater than $2.5m.

We should also note that the USA has thrown a hissyfit and has decided to only contribute $1.6m this year.

 

[ngent41]

In 2019 the USA coughed up $2.5m (out of a total budget of $38m). Canada, on the other hand, coughed up $1.2m plus another $1.5m, for a total contribution of $2.7m. The way I was thought math in school, $2.7m is greater than $2.5m.

We should also note that the USA has thrown a hissyfit and has decided to only contribute $1.6m this year.

I did note the US only paid half this year, thanks for reading. I didnt say anything about who paid what in 2019. WADA's own website shows Canada contributing only 1.4 million in 2021. Maybe they paid more I dunno, I'm just looking at WADA's report. I only provided the information from wada's website as to the 2021 contributions.

As for who influences WADA etc im not arguing on any side of that. Was just providing the statistics you asked for since you wouldn't do it yourself, when you apparently are well aware of it.

 

[fmk_RoI]

I didnt say anything about who paid what in 2019.

We have full accounts for 2019, showing actual numbers, that's why they've been the ones used in this convo up to now. Your 2021 figures are a) projected; and b) incomplete.

Can we atleast agree that $2.7m is greater than $2.5m or is this going to get into advanced math?

 

[ngent41]

We have full accounts for 2019, showing actual numbers, that's why they've been the ones used in this convo up to now. Your 2021 figures are a) projected; and b) incomplete.

Can we atleast agree that $2.7m is greater than $2.5m or is this going to get into advanced math?

Indeed we can. But can your provide your statistics?

https://www.wada-ama.org/sites/default/files/resources/files/wada_contributions_2019_update_en_0.pdf

This report, from wada's website has canada paying 1.25 million in 2019 and the US paying 2.5 million. How come everyone else has to provide proof? But you just get to argue.

 

[fmk_RoI]

This report, from wada's website has canada paying 1.25 million in 2019 and the US paying 2.5 million. How come everyone else has to provide proof? But you just get to argue.

Ask and you get. Canada also chucks in an additional $1.5m under the Montreal agreement. It's in the Annual Report, as I've already indicated.

 

[ngent41]

Ask and you get. Canada also chucks in an additional $1.5m under the Montreal agreement. It's in the Annual Report, as I've already indicated.

Ok , I see that, can you explain what that is? What are the details of the montreal agreement?

NM, heres the details.

WADA Headquarters to Stay in Montreal until 2021 (8 May 2009)

Montréal International (MI) and WADA signed the formal agreement extending the presence of the international organization’s headquarters in Montreal, Canada, until December 31, 2021. The document was signed by WADA’s President, the Honourable John Fahey, WADA’s Director General, David Howman...

www.wada-ama.org

 

[fmk_RoI]

Ok , I see that, can you explain what that is? What are the details of the montreal agreement?

It's explained in the Annual Report, I think. It's money WADA gets for being based in Canada. Think of it as hosting fees, if you want.

 

[Northerner]

We've just had the first doping positive that I've seen from the Olympics, and it's another female sprinter (after the Sha’Carri Richardson story)…. Blessing Okagbare has a positive for HGH.

https://twitter.com/aiu_athletics?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

10 of the 23 strong Nigerian track and field team had already been DQ'd for not having the required number of out of competition tests.

 

[topt]

You know, fmrol asked for me to provide evidence of American influence in WADA. Can you provide us with evidence that the Russians paid off the IOC to let them compete in the Olympics.

I was talking about americans, they can influence any org in the world and nobody can do anything about it. Dont want to go in to politics but I just read an interview with Jose Bustani former chief of the OPCW. He said John Bolton came to him and said you need to resign if not "we know where you children live". Some crazy *** what they are allowed to do.

 

[BullsFan22]

The CAS isn’t perfect by any stretch but they are better then you give them credit for. You are entitled to your opinions. As for the ‘western world’ conspiracy theories you are entitled to that opinion too but I’m not going there as we get into discussion not allowed here.

I’ve seen what the Western Powers are capable of, bombing my country for almost three months straight. These are the same powers that went into Iraq, and Libya and Syria. The same powers that lied about WMD’s are the same powers that are pushing the anti Russian narrative for the last 6-7 years, including Election meddling and ‘state sponsored’ doping.

Interesting also is the use of ‘conspiracy theories’ when the media narrative isn’t trusted.

 

[BullsFan22]

I was talking about americans, they can influence any org in the world and nobody can do anything about it. Dont want to go in to politics but I just read an interview with Jose Bustani former chief of the OPCW. He said John Bolton came to him and said you need to resign if not "we know where you children live". Some crazy *** what they are allowed to do.

John Bolton is a war mongoring psychopath that should have been put in jail alongside Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Powell, Rice, Wolfowitz and other criminals. But we know that was never going to happen.

 

[Mayomaniac]

Jamaica doing Jamaica things in the women's 100m in track and field, lol.

I know that Finke is young, but he was never that impressive on an international level, then he smashes the trials and wins 2 gold medals against a stacked field.
I know, Paltrinieri is not at 100% after Mono, but Romanchuk and Wellbrock are the reigning WCs in 800/1500m and monsters in their own way.

 

[Mayo from Mayo]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1421455122261942274

View: https://twitter.com/thomasjameoneil/status/1421455122261942274/photo/1

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Compare and contrast. Commentary on the BBC alluded to 'bad blood' between Jamaican female sprinters.

 

[QuickZulu]

Chinese guy just ran 9.83s at the age of 31.

 

[Red Rick]

Jamaica doing Jamaica things in the women's 100m in track and field, lol.

I know that Finke is young, but he was never that impressive on an international level, then he smashes the trials and wins 2 gold medals against a stacked field.
I know, Paltrinieri is not at 100% after Mono, but Romanchuk and Wellbrock are the reigning WCs in 800/1500m and monsters in their own way.

Meanwhile I'm very interested how Hassan is gonna do combining the 1500, 5000 and 10000.

Barely a mention of her coach getting banned for life in Dutch media ofcourse.

 

[Mayomaniac]

Chinese guy just ran 9.83s at the age of 31.

And Jacobs also just beat both the Italian and the European record, just 0.01 slower.

 

[BlueRoads]

The swimming and runnings events this year are just to me.
I am not really up-to-date; in running of course the shoes have been a game changer, and in swimming they say the training technics have changed so much... but to me the results are not really understandable and seem a bit wild at times. I've actually given up on understanding them.

 

[F_Cance]

400m runner taking silver in the 100m

 

[QuickZulu]

The winner Jacobs came in with a 9.95PB. Je lowered it to 9.83s and then 9.80s in a matter of 2.5hrs.

 

[SafeBet]

The Italian athletics team came prepared, for once.
Don't know what they are cooking but it's good stuff. Almost every athlete is doing his PB, often a NR.

 

[Pirazziattacks]

400m runner taking silver in the 100m

A 400 metre runner and a long jumper ahead of the guys who finished 3rd and 5th in Rio, interesting. Possibly a case of peaking at the right time while guys with the fastest recent times like Simbine and especially Bromell didn't.

 

[Ripper]

Those accusations are almost solely words of one man who fled the US in 2015, and has had an address there since 2011. A man who contemplated suicide and then blamed his wife. He didn’t get paid enough so he attacked the integrity of many athletes that contested their suspensions and won them in CAS. The last time I saw his face in the news he looked like a completely different person, like a slightly younger version of Scottish actor Brian Cox (of Manhunter, Braveheart, Rob Roy, Bourne Identity, etc fame). Before that he had a full face mask on with sunglasses.

I know in the Western world the flavor of almost every month is to target Russia, and this campaign spilled over into sports in 2014. Instead of trying to build individual cases, they went for the ‘state sponsored doping’ cause it was convenient and the media ran with it and that was also very convenient, went hand in hand with their theory that “Russia stole the elections…” (which has been debunked as well).

Hmmmmm

Are you trying to say that the evidence that Russia turned their antidoping infrastructure into doping infrastructure for the Sochi Olympics, which is why there is a weakass ban on them in the Olympics (ROC athletes rather then Russia), is untrue?