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They have won 5 of the 6 gold medals in diving and 7 of the 13 gold medals in weightlifting. That really accounts for why nearly half their total medals are gold. 11 total medals in shooting too.
:D That sounds a bit risible to me. There's no doubt they have amazing athletes especially in the technical sports / gymnastics; weird their count relies so much on sports like weightlifting and shooting, which will be cut if my "BlueRoads head of the Olympic games' program" fantasy ever becomes reality.
 
Yea, but how different is that to the Britons deliberately targeting track cycling because it was a sport with a large medal count and a relatively shallow pool of competition?

I have a very simple rule of thumb for cutting the program if that is required. The most integral sports to the Olympic Games are those sports in which winning the Olympics is the absolute unquestioned pinnacle of the sport.

Oh, two rules of thumb. The X Games and the Olympic Games should cater to different sports, if a sport is an X Games sport it has no place at the Olympics. Actually, that's perhaps a bit far - if a discipline within a sport is an X Games sport, to avoid arguments over subjects like snowboard or cycling with both artistic and race disciplines. That's fairer.
 
Malaika Mihambo wins gold in the long jump event!

I'm really impressed by this woman. She does have great physical abilities, but if I've ever seen an athlete with incredible mental strength, it's her. In the last world championships she was the big favourite, but then in the final only had failed attempts, needed a good result to come away with anything, and then she just meditated shortly and jumped to 7.30 in her last try... In the last year she changed the number of steps before the jump to avoid injury, but it didn't work out at all and she didn't have the results anymore. So not long ago she changed it back, but she still struggled and didn't come close to what she could do before.
Now this time she had two mildly good tries, but with her last try she won gold again.

She also has a degree in politics, now she's doing a master in environmental studies, works in a social project with children, I think she's also playing the piano. Respect!
Congrats to her, but the level in women’s long jump is seemingly low at the moment. Only two women were able to jump 7 meters, and both of them right on 7.00. Whereas before, you had to jump 7+ to get into the medals. I don’t know if it’s the conditions, but the level has gone done a peg or two.
 
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They have won 5 of the 6 gold medals in diving and 7 of the 13 gold medals in weightlifting. That really accounts for why nearly half their total medals are gold. 11 total medals in shooting too.
That explains it. Some of their wins that I had time to witness are quite scary, though, table tennis are basically they rolling over the whole planet, and their lifter in women's 87+ only appeared when everyone finished then lazily posting some wtf numbers.

:D That sounds a bit risible to me. There's no doubt they have amazing athletes especially in the technical sports / gymnastics; weird their count relies so much on sports like weightlifting and shooting, which will be cut if my "BlueRoads head of the Olympic games' program" fantasy ever becomes reality.
You don't just cut weighlifting or any sport where there are actually several nations which far more limited medal prospects seriously rely on, while China doesn't really rely on it, they just happen to be good at it :D
 
They have won 5 of the 6 gold medals in diving and 7 of the 13 gold medals in weightlifting. That really accounts for why nearly half their total medals are gold. 11 total medals in shooting too.
That definitely explains it.

Although is that really any different than the US expecting 30 plus medals in both swimming and track and field every summer games?
 
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Well done to him, I've never really followed badminton lately, so I don't know anyone, I love playing it but I have problem of not liking some Indonesian players - they are big stars here - and it's a problem when watching with the family, so I chose not to watch badminton at all:D. In the 90s and 2000s most players I liked were either Danes or Chinese and it was unforgivable when it came to this national sport lol. Weird result for Indonesia, though, complete failure on men's double and instead got the gold out of nowhere from women's double. However I think the best thing is that Guatemala almost medalled in badminton! It's usually a very boring sport in term of participating nations.
A pretty amazing thing about Axelsen is that he cannot only beat the Chinese, he can also talk with them! As a personal challenge, he decided to learn Mandarin a few years ago. This video is a thank you to his Chinese supporters (admittedly, I don't have any clue as to his level but it sounds more than completely basic).

View: https://twitter.com/muimahmud/status/1422513012787740674
 
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That definitely explains it.

Although is that really any different than the US expecting 30 plus medals in both swimming and track and field every summer games?
Nope, just a different way of accumulating medals. And diving used to be one of the big televised events in the days of Greg Louganis. It has been very scarce on TV now that the victories have dried up. I expect a similar fate in the future if Beach Volleyball no longer brings the medal haul. TV coverage on NBC is typically proportional to the quality of the Americans competing in the sport.

I have a very simple rule of thumb for cutting the program if that is required. The most integral sports to the Olympic Games are those sports in which winning the Olympics is the absolute unquestioned pinnacle of the sport.
Good rule. It would get rid of the worst offenders right off the bat. Bye-Bye Tennis, Golf, Boxing, and Baseball.

I am not necessarily for chopping smaller sports like Weighlifting or shooting. But I would be willing to cut some of the medals given. They could probably survive with fewer weight classes and shooting disciplines.
 
Well, those two sports are the two big ones at the Olympics, so I would think there are more competition there. And it definitely does not fly under the radar.
True, those two sports definitely don't fly under the radar. Now the "funny" thing is we only won 30 medals in swimming this year and many over here are looking at our swim team as if it was a disaster this year. In swimming the only consistent competition we have is Australia. This year's was one of the better Olympic swim meets I can remember watching for several Olympics.
 
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Nope, just a different way of accumulating medals. And diving used to be one of the big televised events in the days of Greg Louganis. It has been very scarce on TV now that the victories have dried up. I expect a similar fate in the future if Beach Volleyball no longer brings the medal haul. TV coverage on NBC is typically proportional to the quality of the Americans competing in the sport.

Good rule. It would get rid of the worst offenders right off the bat. Bye-Bye Tennis, Golf, Boxing, and Baseball.

I am not necessarily for chopping smaller sports like Weighlifting or shooting. But I would be willing to cut some of the medals given. They could probably survive with fewer weight classes and shooting disciplines.
NBC isn't exactly great with coverage to start with and then it's extremely US eccentric. I prefer watching men's gymnastics to women (I like their apparatus better) and good luck finding that. I'm glad I've actually found the equestrian events this year.


If we're eliminating sports from the Olympics based on it not being the pinnacle of the sport we likely should add soccer and men's basketball to that list.

As for baseball, from what was explained, they don't really want to be there, but the Olympics were requiring baseball to bring softball back.
 
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Nope, just a different way of accumulating medals. And diving used to be one of the big televised events in the days of Greg Louganis. It has been very scarce on TV now that the victories have dried up. I expect a similar fate in the future if Beach Volleyball no longer brings the medal haul. TV coverage on NBC is typically proportional to the quality of the Americans competing in the sport.

Good rule. It would get rid of the worst offenders right off the bat. Bye-Bye Tennis, Golf, Boxing, and Baseball.

I am not necessarily for chopping smaller sports like Weighlifting or shooting. But I would be willing to cut some of the medals given. They could probably survive with fewer weight classes and shooting disciplines.
I'm okay with cutting the golf and tennis just because here in the US we already get enough of it on any given weekend. But each nation does vary...

I like the Olympics because I get to see some sports that are not normally televised here. It's a whole different adventure.

EDIT - right now I'm watching some of that climbing stuff, it's fascinating. It's almost like running, except they have to make time/speed in a vertical fashion using their arms as well as their legs. It's fascinating indeed.
 
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If we're eliminating sports from the Olympics based on it not being the pinnacle of the sport we likely should add soccer and men's basketball to that list.
Men's basketball? I think most countries value it higher than World Championship, no?

And yes golf and tennis can go, it feels almost meaningless

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As for cutting weightclasses in weightlifting, I think they've already done, there were several classes looked to be missing, not too mention they only gives medals to total lift, not the gratuitous 3 per classes like in many weightlifting competitions.
 
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And now I'm watching some flatwater kayaking - this I may know a little about because my dad used to do it and he lent me his flatwater kayak once or twice. It didn't take because I turned over in about 5 seconds flat.

If you notice the flatwater boats are very long and narrow (ergo very fast and very tippy), balance is of extreme importance in addition to being able to paddle quickly.

As an Olympic sport I say kayaking/canoeing stays!
 
A pretty amazing thing about Axelsen is that he cannot only beat the Chinese, he can also talk with them! As a personal challenge, he decided to learn Mandarin a few years ago. This video is a thank you to his Chinese supporters (admittedly, I don't have any clue as to his level but it sounds more than completely basic).

View: https://twitter.com/muimahmud/status/1422513012787740674
Cool, I believe his level is almost good, you don't get the tones of the language correctly by being basic (although I have no idea if he still sounds Danish or not:D)
I also don't know how common for badminton players to learn Mandarin, maybe it's a rather important language since China has many players and countries like Malaysia and Indonesia have lots of players of Chinese descents. I remember watching Chinese players sent farewell video to our retiring player and they just flatout spoke Mandarin to the camera, to an Indonesian.
 
I guess our comments show that we all have different tastes and the sports one of us would cut actually have fans among the others even here. :D

I am just not into weightlifting, I never watch it for more than two minutes, and it's a doping heavy sport. I can see that the performances are to admire from a sportive perspective, but I simply don't like it, since I mostly enjoy sports with more movement.

Shooting... although my son likes to do it, is just not a sport to me. Even less movement than in weightlifting.

I love most judged events, since they are usually the ones with a lot of grace, beauty and complex processes of movement. I know they often have the reputation of being too subjective, but I think in most cases the judging is very objective (nowadays), usually there isn't much controversy anymore about the results and as soon as a performance is done the commentators, athletes and coaches have pretty much the same opinion about it; the criteria are very clear.

I went through the list and these are the sports I would like to scrap completely in the Olympics:
Triple Jump (only produces sports invalids)
Golf (too static)
Shooting
Weightlifting
Baseball (I just don't care... Okay I just don't understand the rules... :tearsofjoy:)
Modern pentathlon (horses treated too badly)

I don't know if I would get rid of sports in which the Olympics are not that important, I think these sports make a lot of people watch who otherwise wouldn't watch the Olympics and then they stay for more competitions. Also, for instance, although an Olympic medal in tennis doesn't mean that much, Zverev was very proud and happy. Messi said the Olympics were one of his best experiences. Especially in the team sports it is very problematic with so many clubs not wanting to assign their players, but I'm not sure.

Actually, thinking about it, I'm glad there are sports there I don't enjoy watching, they just belong to the Olympics. :D
 
I guess our comments show that we all have different tastes and the sports one of us would cut actually have fans among the others even here. :D

I am just not into weightlifting, I never watch it for more than two minutes, and it's a doping heavy sport. I can see that the performances are to admire from a sportive perspective, but I simply don't like it, since I mostly enjoy sports with more movement.

Shooting... although my son likes to do it, is just not a sport to me. Even less movement than in weightlifting.

I love most judged events, since they are usually the ones with a lot of grace, beauty and complex processes of movement. I know they often have the reputation of being too subjective, but I think in most cases the judging is very objective (nowadays), usually there isn't much controversy anymore about the results and as soon as a performance is done the commentators, athletes and coaches have pretty much the same opinion about it; the criteria are very clear.

I went through the list and these are the sports I would like to scrap completely in the Olympics:
Triple Jump (only produces sports invalids)
Golf (too static)
Shooting
Weightlifting
Baseball (I just don't care... Okay I just don't understand the rules... :tearsofjoy:)
Modern pentathlon (horses treated too badly)

I don't know if I would get rid of sports in which the Olympics are not that important, I think these sports make a lot of people watch who otherwise wouldn't watch the Olympics and then they stay for more competitions. Also, for instance, although an Olympic medal in tennis doesn't mean that much, Zverev was very proud and happy. Messi said the Olympics were one of his best experiences. Especially in the team sports it is very problematic with so many clubs not wanting to assign their players, but I'm not sure.

Actually, thinking about it, I'm glad there are sports there I don't enjoy watching, they just belong to the Olympics. :D
Sailing, BMX and skateboarding don’t make much sense either.
 
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Great 400 hurdles from the ladies!
I missed the final, I skipped watching tracks and fields everytime there are heptathlon/decathlon on show, so I missed others. With respects to the multitalented athletes, the only slightly interesting or even important things about their disciplines are the points, just show us the points!
 
Sailing, BMX and skateboarding don’t make much sense either.
Lol, just because sailing is not particularly friendly to the untrained eye, it doesn't mean that it doesn't make sense...

Also, I really think most people here are selling the Olympic tennis tournament short. Okay, it's not pretty that Federer and Nadal didn't do it this year but they are getting old and careful. Usually, the level of the start list is very high and it is seen as a very big event even if the points to the world ranking aren't that high.
 
Another sport I'd dump is doubles ping pong (or table tennis or whatever you want to call it). I've got enough issues with ping pong and badminton being in the Olympics in the first place. Those two sports are no different from lawn darts or horse shoes or cornhole. The badminton class I took in college the teacher gave up attempting to teach us competitive badminton when the entire class just wanted to worry about how long we could keep the birdie in a volley instead of caring about scoring points.

I'm also in the camp of dumping weightlifting. May consider dumping boxing as well.
 

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