Olympics 2021

[BlueRoads]

Rebeca Andrade won gold this time...

 

[Tricycle Rider]

NBC really dragged out the women's 100m, prior to the event the TV commentator said something like - join us for the next 15 minutes for this historic event... I'm thinking 15 minutes?? It's a 10-second race! But sure enough NBC did it.

I can understand the Olympic organizers trying to put on a CGI show for the runners prior to the race because there are no crowds allowed, but that doesn't mean NBC has to air it. The whole thing turned out rather anticlimactic and gimmicky...

I'm sure the men's 100m will be the same, at least this time the competition should be interesting because Usain Bolt isn't there.

 

[sir fly]

And right when I wanted to announce that I've found new rivals for the medal table comparison, Belgium closes in with the gold on the uneven bars... I'd never find out someone in Belgium practices gymnastics.

Now quick to 100m.

 

[Red Rick]

Am I missing something or are 100 times much slower than before? Something with starting rules?

 

[Libertine Seguros]

Not often that the 100m is overshadowed as an event, but that high jump final...

 

[Mayomaniac]

Am I missing something or are 100 times much slower than before? Something with starting rules?

No idea, but there has to be a reason why.
What a day for Italian Track and field, but I'm a bit salty about that scumbag Tamberi winning.

 

[Red Rick]

No idea, but there has to be a reason why.
What a day for Italian Track and field, but I'm a bit salty about that scumbag Tamberi winning.

What did he do?

 

[Tricycle Rider]

Am I missing something or are 100 times much slower than before? Something with starting rules?

Thompson-Herah set the women's Olympic record this weekend, not sure what the men will be able to do.

 

[Red Rick]

Thompson-Herah set the women's Olympic record this weekend, not sure what the men will be able to do.

Weak era in mens 100m?

 

[sir fly]

I think the occurrence of Bolt's been too lightly accepted... in the sense of discipline's history.
Something like Sotomayor or Beamon at their time.

 

[Tricycle Rider]

Not often that the 100m is overshadowed as an event, but that high jump final...

I'll have to watch that

Weak era in mens 100m?

I suppose anything after Usain Bolt could be considered weak.

Trayvon Bromell has the fastest time this year, but I don't think Bolt's record is in any danger of being broken any time soon.

 

[Mayomaniac]

What did he do?

Clinic related comments about cycling in general before the Rio Olympics and how he went after Alex Schwarzer. That and the fact that hes a massive attention whore is enough to make me strongly dislike him.

 

[jmdirt]

It's not really even being ahead of the others. It's standing right plum outside the exchange zone markings that should have been a dead give away.

And if you are going to plead inexperience on her behalf, the more relevant questions would be how many 2nd legs of the 4x400 relay has she ran in her life and if the track markings in the relays she ran were any different to the ones used in the Olympics so that she genuinely did not know where the exchange zone was.

Also, I don't know the exact rules (that is who is responsible for athletes lining up correctly), but it seems to me that being ok with the athletes ignoring the markings if an official does not tell them about it, is a wrong way to go about it.

Edit: ok, it seems that it as the responsibility of an official, Doesn't feel right that there is literally nothing to lose from standing outside the exchange zone if the worst thing that can happen is being told to back up, but whatever.

She is standing between two lines that could easily be an exchange zone so its not a dead giveaway:

Photo

I don't know how many 4x4 s she has done, nor do I know how standard the markings on the track are for Olympics vs diamond league, NCAA, etc. A really quick google of a few other track doesn't show as many lines though.

Again, is she ignoring the markings or confused as to which markings are the correct ones.

I don't understand your edit. There is nothing to lose by standing outside of an exchange zone before the race even starts? It is somehow wrong for an official to say 'hey you're not in the zone"?

 

[jmdirt]

Every other team was lined up in the correct place, and I don't personally buy that they didn't realise they were lined up somewhere different from the rest of the teams. Therefore I feel there was a deliberate ploy to maximise the distance ran by the men which meant they saw no issue in that they were lined up differently, but they made a mess of where they actually needed to be in order to execute that plan.

So you are saying that they are cheaters, and you didn't look at the photo?

3 other teams lined up incorrectly.

 

[Red Rick]

So you are saying that they are cheaters, and you didn't look at the photo?

3 other teams lined up incorrectly.

Then take them all out lol

 

[jmdirt]

Then take them all out lol

I'm finding it difficult to understand that I am the only one who thinks that this was an officiating error. It doesn't matter if she is trying to cheat or confused about the zones, the official should inform her.

EDIT: I read one account that said the official actually pointed at the wrong line as she came onto the track. I'll see if that's in the video.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

So you are saying that they are cheaters, and you didn't look at the photo?

3 other teams lined up incorrectly.

The post you linked was a twitter post which showed all of the other teams lined up where they should be and Irby standing about 15-20 yards down the track.

 

[jmdirt]

The post you linked was a twitter post which showed all of the other teams lined up where they should be and Irby standing about 15-20 yards down the track.

The were other heats.
I'm feeling like you are being disingenuous in this discussion.

EDIT: based on roundabout's post/track map I feel like she should have more easily recognized her mistake (being ahead of the others should have also clued her in), that doesn't really change my assertion that an offical should have informed her.

 

[roundabout]

She is standing between two lines that could easily be an exchange zone so its not a dead giveaway:

Photo

I don't know how many 4x4 s she has done, nor do I know how standard the markings on the track are for Olympics vs diamond league, NCAA, etc. A really quick google of a few other track doesn't show as many lines though.

Again, is she ignoring the markings or confused as to which markings are the correct ones.

I don't understand your edit. There is nothing to lose by standing outside of an exchange zone before the race even starts? It is somehow wrong for an official to say 'hey you're not in the zone"?

The blue 'hooks' mark the changeover zone.

She standing right after the end of the zone.

It's a giveaway because those are IAAF standard markings

https://www.worldathletics.org/download/download?filename=596848ce-6afe-4f00-8eb0-62a019ee215e.pdf&urlslug=Track%20and%20Field%20Facilities%20Manual%202019%20Edition%20-%20Marking%20Plan%20400m%20Standard%20Track

And yes, there is nothing to lose as even breaking the takeover rule is now not enough for a DQ as long as one can cast sufficient doubt over what was told to the athlete. I don't like the cheating opportunities this opens up.

 

[jmdirt]

The blue 'hooks' mark the changeover zone.

She standing right after the end of the zone.

It's a giveaway because those are IAAF standard markings

https://www.worldathletics.org/download/download?filename=596848ce-6afe-4f00-8eb0-62a019ee215e.pdf&urlslug=Track%20and%20Field%20Facilities%20Manual%202019%20Edition%20-%20Marking%20Plan%20400m%20Standard%20Track

And yes, there is nothing to lose as even breaking the takeover rule is now not enough for a DQ as long as one can cast sufficient doubt over what was told to the athlete. I don't like the cheating opportunities this opens up.

So you are saying that the official informed her of her error/cheating?

Thanks for the track map!

To be clear (again), I am by no means saying that she was correct (error/cheating...), but my contention is that an official didn't tell her to move back (nor did one claim to in the appeal (based on what Lewis J said). I don't see it opening opportunities to cheat because if an official would have told her that she was out of the zone, they lose the appeal.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

The were other heats.
I'm feeling like you are being disingenuous in this discussion.

EDIT: based on roundabout's post/track map I feel like she should have more easily recognized her mistake (being ahead of the others should have also clued her in), that doesn't really change my assertion that an offical should have informed her.

You asked me to look at the photo, which I did, and when I came to my conclusion from it, you accused me of not looking at the photo, which is why I said what I did there. I wasn't sure if you'd linked me to the right photo, because what I saw in the photo you linked was 7 teams standing where they should and the Americans standing several yards down the track, which I thought undermined the argument that it was a totally innocent mistake.

I can see what roundabout is getting at, though. It puts the onus on the organisers to tell the athletes what they should already know, and removes all responsibility for their thought process from the athletes, because unless the organisers hold their hands the athletes can just appeal and get reinstated claiming an innocent mistake. Again, not the Americans' fault, but the precedent is concerning.

 

[jmdirt]

You asked me to look at the photo, which I did, and when I came to my conclusion from it, you accused me of not looking at the photo, which is why I said what I did there. I wasn't sure if you'd linked me to the right photo, because what I saw in the photo you linked was 7 teams standing where they should and the Americans standing several yards down the track, which I thought undermined the argument that it was a totally innocent mistake.

I can see what roundabout is getting at, though. It puts the onus on the organisers to tell the athletes what they should already know, and removes all responsibility for their thought process from the athletes, because unless the organisers hold their hands the athletes can just appeal and get reinstated claiming an innocent mistake. Again, not the Americans' fault, but the precedent is concerning.

The photo was to show the lines on the track (in one exchange, in one heat).

Two things that have come up while I am looking at this situation is: 1) an official told her to start there, 2) this happened in the other heat.

"In the first of the two heats, the Dominican Republic and USA were both disqualified. In the second, runners scrambled at the last minute to a spot different from where officials had directed them."

"In relays, Irby said, runners on the second leg usually take the track soon after the start. This time, as she stepped onto the track, officials waved her off.

So she went to a line where an official pointed."

If that is the case, what she 'already knows' doesn't matter, the official put her in the wrong place which is worse than my assertion that the official should have informed her that she was in the wrong place.

 

[roundabout]

So you are saying that the official informed her of her error/cheating?

Thanks for the track map!

To be clear (again), I am by no means saying that she was correct (error/cheating...), but my contention is that an official didn't tell her to move back (nor did one claim to in the appeal (based on what Lewis J said). I don't see it opening opportunities to cheat because if an official would have told her that she was out of the zone, they lose the appeal.

I mean 'opportunities to cheat' in the sense that instead of using a clear and objective measure (blue 'hooks' on the track) of where the takeover zone is it becomes a case of 'he-said-she-said' guesswork/one side word against the other side's over who was told what and when. And that's where for me there are opportunities to possibly break/abuse the rules.

 

[tobydawq]

Weak era in mens 100m?

Obviously. But remove Bolt, and then the times are not that bad compared to the last decade?

 

[Red Rick]

Obviously. But remove Bolt, and then the times are not that bad compared to the last decade?

There's a few others that used to be faster, but then they all got banned for Clinic stuff, so I guess it still makes sense.