Olympics Doping Thread

[jonovision_man]

Even Paula Radcliffe can't believe that time

I have yet to look at the best ever times in the women's 10k.

I would however be surprised if the current WR is more absurd than Paula's marathon record. One of the most comical world records in all of athletics, if not sport.

The previous 10k WR was already as ridiculous as Paula's marathon record, if not more. Then Ayana comes along and completely smashes it, and still has it within her to not collapse to the floor after the finish line... it's easily the most ridiculous performance I've witnessed in my lifetime

You nailed it... someone forgot to tell her to at least pretend it looked hard.

Ayana: "My doping is training. My doping is Jesus."

That's at least a new one (I think).

jono

 

[Alexandre B.]

Calum Skinner. Hilarious.

 

[DirtyWorks]

Even Paula Radcliffe can't believe that time

I have yet to look at the best ever times in the women's 10k.

I would however be surprised if the current WR is more absurd than Paula's marathon record. One of the most comical world records in all of athletics, if not sport.

The previous 10k WR was already as ridiculous as Paula's marathon record, if not more. Then Ayana comes along and completely smashes it, and still has it within her to not collapse to the floor after the finish line... it's easily the most ridiculous performance I've witnessed in my lifetime

Apparently, she played the religion excuse. "Faith in God and hard work is how I shattered a doper's record."

All the talk is about Ayana at the moment, but what's crazier still is most of the field set PRs including an American record for the distance.

As much as I am looking forward to the sport trying to plausibly explain Gatlin, today's performance is the new normal.

 

[PremierAndrew]

Struggled to hold Kenny's wheel just a few months ago, now he's smashing the 200m OR :lol:

 

[PremierAndrew]

Even Paula Radcliffe can't believe that time

I have yet to look at the best ever times in the women's 10k.

I would however be surprised if the current WR is more absurd than Paula's marathon record. One of the most comical world records in all of athletics, if not sport.

The previous 10k WR was already as ridiculous as Paula's marathon record, if not more. Then Ayana comes along and completely smashes it, and still has it within her to not collapse to the floor after the finish line... it's easily the most ridiculous performance I've witnessed in my lifetime

Apparently, she played the religion excuse. "Faith in God and hard work is how I shattered a doper's record."

All the talk is about Ayana at the moment, but what's crazier still is most of the field set PRs including an American record for the distance.

Yep 18 personal bests, which really does make you wonder if the track is 400m like it's supposed to be

 

[snccdcno]

Re:

Struggled to hold Kenny's wheel just a few months ago, now he's smashing the 200m OR :lol:

Just been smashed tbf

 

[Brullnux]

Re:

Struggled to hold Kenny's wheel just a few months ago, now he's smashing the 200m OR :lol:

That's why he struggled...

 

[MrRoboto]

Was pretty surprised to not only see another chinese 90's WR being pushed off the boards, but also at the olympics? by 14s? That's insane.

 

[DirtyWorks]

In the U.S. they gave Kristin Armstrong some interview time. I couldn't bear it. I briefly explained her to my SO and all I get is a shoulder shrug. "This is the Olympics. Let's watch some diving."

So, it's not total ignorance. But, there's still an audience for it.

 

[TheSpud]

Re: Re:

If it turns out the track is the wrong length at the premier athletics event in the world then that's just as farcical as doping en masse..

It has to be, there is no other logical explanation. The question is how the cheerleading media will report on this or if this is going to be another cover up in order not to embarrass anyone.

The previous WR was dubious was it not? If the track is short it must be massively short for this new 'record''. But we would see records dropping all over the place in other long distance races?

Some basic maths (right I hope)

Let's assume the track is 1m short. That is 0.25%. Previous record was 29:30 ish = 1770 seconds. At the previous WR pace that would have covered the short track 4.4 seconds faster. This means the current track would need to be 4m shorter (396m). That surely isn't credible?

 

[DirtyWorks]

Re:

Was pretty surprised to not only see another chinese 90's WR being pushed off the boards, but also at the olympics? by 14s? That's insane.

WRs fall like clockwork every four years. Doping is okay.

 

[PremierAndrew]

Re: Re:

Struggled to hold Kenny's wheel just a few months ago, now he's smashing the 200m OR :lol:

Just been smashed tbf

But Kenny was expected to smash it. Skinner otoh...

 

[DirtyWorks]

Re: Re:

The previous WR was dubious was it not?

That's the most charitable description for it. No way it was clean.

 

[Cannibal72]

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Why do all British rowers sound so similar?

They all have filthy upper middle class names like Mohamed Sbihi and Constantine Louloudis.

Yes you are right they are all working class heroes, Sbihi being born in the well known ghetto of Kingston-upon-Thames and Louloudis going to that infamously rough school Eton College. Rowers are by and large very upper-middle class in the UK. We are both British (I assume you are too?), and so we both know there is no point denying that. These guys have sat and dined in the same places as Tory grandees.

Rowers in the UK tend to be from private schools - doesn't make them upper class (if that exists anymore), just wealthy and / or happy to spend their money on education. Eton - yes I would agree upper class and VERY expensive, but most private schools are no where near that cost.

Makes me laugh when some people say that they couldn't afford the fees but happily shell out about the same on cars each year ...

Sbihi went to a state school in Surbiton (still a nice area). The Chambers brothers were from state schools in Northern Ireland. It's changing, but to say 'public school' dominates isn't right - most fee paying independents aren't like Eton, etc. but yes they are a high proportion,

Hmmmmm. As someone who attended a public school, I can confirm that these days Eton's fees are matched by quite a few schools. Anyhow, the key thing about rowing is actually university, not school. Yeah, Eton and Harrow have rowing clubs (which are pretty damn good), but 2 of the men's 4 went to either Oxford or Cambridge. The Boat Race is Olympic level, and a decent number of Oxford or Cambridge rowers didn't row before they went to university. Rowing at university still is predominantly upper-class, but it's not especially simple.

On the subject of upper-class sports, how in the name of God do you get done for PEDs in dressage?

 

[Cannibal72]

Re: Re:

If it turns out the track is the wrong length at the premier athletics event in the world then that's just as farcical as doping en masse..

It has to be, there is no other logical explanation. The question is how the cheerleading media will report on this or if this is going to be another cover up in order not to embarrass anyone.

The previous WR was dubious was it not? If the track is short it must be massively short for this new 'record''. But we would see records dropping all over the place in other long distance races?

Some basic maths (right I hope)

Let's assume the track is 1m short. That is 0.25%. Previous record was 29:30 ish = 1770 seconds. At the previous WR pace that would have covered the short track 4.4 seconds faster. This means the current track would need to be 4m shorter (396m). That surely isn't credible?

800m heats pretty average.

EDIT: not distance, obviously, but if the track was so short to explain 14 seconds on one of those records, there's a chance it could have made a difference.

 

[Cannibal72]

Yay.

 

[TheSpud]

Re: Re:

Why do all British rowers sound so similar?

They all have filthy upper middle class names like Mohamed Sbihi and Constantine Louloudis.

Yes you are right they are all working class heroes, Sbihi being born in the well known ghetto of Kingston-upon-Thames and Louloudis going to that infamously rough school Eton College. Rowers are by and large very upper-middle class in the UK. We are both British (I assume you are too?), and so we both know there is no point denying that. These guys have sat and dined in the same places as Tory grandees.

Rowers in the UK tend to be from private schools - doesn't make them upper class (if that exists anymore), just wealthy and / or happy to spend their money on education. Eton - yes I would agree upper class and VERY expensive, but most private schools are no where near that cost.

Makes me laugh when some people say that they couldn't afford the fees but happily shell out about the same on cars each year ...

Sbihi went to a state school in Surbiton (still a nice area). The Chambers brothers were from state schools in Northern Ireland. It's changing, but to say 'public school' dominates isn't right - most fee paying independents aren't like Eton, etc. but yes they are a high proportion,

Hmmmmm. As someone who attended a public school, I can confirm that these days Eton's fees are matched by quite a few schools. Anyhow, the key thing about rowing is actually university, not school. Yeah, Eton and Harrow have rowing clubs (which are pretty damn good), but 2 of the men's 4 went to either Oxford or Cambridge. The Boat Race is Olympic level, and a decent number of Oxford or Cambridge rowers didn't row before they went to university. Rowing at university still is predominantly upper-class, but it's not especially simple.

On the subject of upper-class sports, how in the name of God do you get done for PEDs in dressage?

I was privately educated at a school that had a rowing team, but I would never describe it as a public school. Eton is about £35k a year, my old school (and my kids current one) is about £15k a year. From research most (local) independent schools are at that fee level - sports scholarships at those are also very generous (50%-100% fee reduction)

Anyway, as you say Uni is far more important. I'm pretty sure there are scholarships (or easy entry) to Oxford and Cambridge if you are a good rower. Now if you were a good rower and from a (more) disadvantaged background then Oxbridge would lap you up nowadays. There are of course other big rowing uni's - ones near a lake / river tend to help

 

[Alexandre B.]

Track cycling may be the most embarrassing sport at these Games again.

 

[TheSpud]

Re: Re:

The previous WR was dubious was it not?

That's the most charitable description for it. No way it was clean.

I wasn't really In the loop with things in those days.

 

[SeriousSam]

Another gold for wigans, shameful,

 

[MrRoboto]

Re: Re:

Was pretty surprised to not only see another chinese 90's WR being pushed off the boards, but also at the olympics? by 14s? That's insane.

WRs fall like clockwork every four years. Doping is okay.

Not in 5K/10k. Taking a WR in these distances usually demands a bunch of dedicated runners to hold a good pace. In the olympics and the WC you usually see a relatively low tempo with a crazy sprint in the last couple of laps.

 

[heartsnotinit]

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On the subject of upper-class sports, how in the name of God do you get done for PEDs in dressage?

You dope the horse to calm it down.

Wonder if the horses are better than LA at keeping their whereabouts up to date,

 

[Cannibal72]

Great to see GB's performance in the pursuit. Hard work, dedication, technique...

God, that Chinese woman looks dodgy, doesn't she?!

 

[Cannibal72]

Re: Re:

On the subject of upper-class sports, how in the name of God do you get done for PEDs in dressage?

You dope the horse to calm it down.

Wonder if the horses are better than LA at keeping their whereabouts up to date,

Oh I see. I made the pretty stupid assumption she was using PEDs. Yeah, horse doping is very much a thing.

 

[BullsFan22]

Hold on a second. Didn't Michael O'Reilly get busted just recently? Why is he still scheduled to box in the men's 75kg class??