Well, there was this guy. Not sure if his charges shared the 'medicine' though.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernard_Sainz
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernard_Sainz
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It's the lies that I enjoy the most when any of these stories break.Speaking to Belgian newspaper De Standaard, Vansevenant says he ordered a “food supplement” over the Internet because he felt “old and tired.” He denies trying to buy doping products.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/omega-pharma-lotto-team-cuts-ties-with-ex-rider-vansevenant-after-reports-link-him-to-doping/2011/06/29/AGLnftqH_story.html
roundabout said:Well, there was this guy. Not sure if his charges shared the 'medicine' though.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernard_Sainz
thehog said:The hair dye and peroxide helps nullify the drug hair testing. Its an old trick but works like a charm.
Granville57 said:Not sure if this exact quote came up yet.
It's the lies that I enjoy the most when any of these stories break.
What, no FSR in Europe?
christianpetrin said:Oh, and this story of Mr. Vansevenant buying this incredibly expensive drug
to use himself, specially now that he is retired, is a just a MAJOR JOKE!
Angliru said:There must be some Spanish connection in here somewhere. This can't possibly be happening in Oz, the land of athletic purity. Obviously one of those dirty Spaniards set this fine gentleman up to be the fall guy.
True. Gilbert and VDB are two of the big earners in cycling. If they dope, it will be a bit more professional.Logic-is-your-friend said:Funny how people are so eager to jump the gun. Let's see if it is indeed meant for pro cyclists (which i still doubt, since not only did he order it online through a legitimate website which would show in his bankstatements, everybody in Belgium knows the chance that international packages get intercepted are about 50%), and if that's the case, let's see who it's for. Pointing fingers right now seems way too premature. If you really like connecting dots, you would likely end up with other names than Vandenbroeck for instance.
Buffalo Soldier said:True. Gilbert and VDB are two of the big earners in cycling. If they dope, it will be a bit more professional.
This is clearly the work of an amateur. I'm guessing for some 2nd tier riders, not for the worldtop.
christianpetrin said:Jesus Christ! I was starting to believe cycling is really getting cleaner... it seems it is just getting more sophisticated!!!
Well, it was the naive man in me speaking louder!
Just read this article (http://www.whatsonxiamen.com/ent2995.html) which says this thymosin beta 4 drug (main component of the TB-500 drug imported by the Vansevenant) increased the heart stroke by 25%.
"We saw an improvement in the ejection fraction, in the ability of the heart to pump out blood, of 25%."
Such a increase would enhance endurance performance tremenduously!!!
I'm starting to realize cycling now is as durty as it has ever been and it will never be a clean sport (as long as individuals with no moral keep taking part in it).
This hair thing and the incredible OPL team riders performance (Gilbert,
Van Den Broeck...) just helped turn on the lights in my head.
I'm used to train like a horse, eat like a habit and believe I really
could do good in this sport without any kind of drugs... this belief is just
vanishing... what sould we, clean, honest and hard working riders do? It seems we are down to three main options:
1) Leave the sport
2) Dope
3) Keep being naive, trying, training, and failing
I'm so disgusted right now!
Oh, and this story of Mr. Vansevenant buying this incredibly expensive drug
to use himself, specially now that he is retired, is a just a MAJOR JOKE!
Moose McKnuckles said:What a ripoff. For that money, he could have hired Chris Carmichael and won a bunch of Tours. Plus he could have gotten an entry into Leadville.
sniper said:was museeuw a 2nd tier rider?
he bought the dope himself in a pharmacy in cologne, wearing sunglasses.
Oldman said:When Eddie B and his Polish cohorts came to the US it was rumored most of the other impoverished Eastern Bloc coaches went South, way South. Farther South than Spain.
Logic-is-your-friend said:Yeah, because since 1998 and now, after the festina affair, after Lance, Pantani, Ulrich, VDB1... only the officials got more professional and intelligent, the dopers got dumber. Obviously, that is the explanation
Franklin said:If logic-was-their-friend I would agree.
But it seems clear that cyclists aren't so logical. Horse dope is common in stories (or bovine drugs for Rasmussen). Also, riders have indeed buying stuff over the counter...
I would believe he bought it for himself if it wasn't such an astronomical quantity. He bought stuff that would last him years upon years... talk about illogical.
Really... you feel bad so you buy dope to shape up. Ok. I can believe it from a cyclist. But you buy for thousands of euros. Why? I mean... you really must like the stuff if you do that just for yourself^^.
You have repeated this claim quite often, can you cite some source for this.Logic-is-your-friend said:To be clear, I'm certainly not ruling out he bought it to sell to others to dope themselves. I just doubt that guys like JVDB and Gilbert would count on a schmuck to get their stuff online, to be delivered by postorder, two weeks before the TDF starts. Again, in Belgium, you have a 50% chance customs checks your package. I've imported enough software, hardware, games etc outside the EU and more often than not, they will open it and charge you for import taxes.
Also, i would be more inclined to look for riders who had a personal relation with WVS, riding together back in the day.
Furthermore, like i said, if this is his modus operandi, he couldn't have been using it for long or he would have been caught a lot sooner. To me, that kind of rules out the fact that this was a high profile job.
But of course, anything can happen.
Dr. Maserati said:You have repeated this claim quite often, can you cite some source for this.
Dr. Maserati said:Even if it was checked, as the product does not appear to be illegal the recipient may have thought it would clear through customs without difficulty.
It appears it was the volume, not the actual product that raised suspicions.