Omega Pharma Quick Step: Are you kidding me??

[GuyIncognito]

A rider who gradually improved over the years.

1-2-3-4-5-6-427

A gradual sequence, according to FoxxyBrown1111

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

1-2-3-4-5-6-427

A gradual sequence, according to FoxxyBrown1111

You are a weirdo. Just check facts before vomiting over the place. Can´t stand guys like you unable to discuss in normal manners. Go phuck yourself.

Of course Urans performance was suspect, like many others of today. Just read my posts in context and properly.

 

[GuyIncognito]

You are a weirdo

Thank you, I try!

 

[ScienceIsCool]

You are a weirdo. Just check facts before vomiting over the place. Can´t stand guys like you unable to discuss in normal manners. Go phuck yourself.

Of course Urans performance was suspect, like many others of today. Just read my posts in context and properly.

Facts: Until Romandie this year, Uran has been very consistently 4-6 s/km slower in time trials than the winner. Since then he is -2 to +2 s/km slower than the winner.

This is a ~20% improvement in power output.

John Swanson

 

[JimmyFingers]

Whilst I share your general scepticism about Sky's marginal gains, I can't see how a rider improving drastically after leaving Sky is a sign of Sky doping. If anything it would suggest the contrary.

Wow, that sound dangerously like you have applied some logic and common sense. You in the right forum bro?

 

[hrotha]

Not sure why you guys brought up Sky, but since you already did, I'll just say this is completely consistent with my theory that the Colombians, and the classics squad, weren't part of the A Team at Sky.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

To be fair, DeGendt was a TTler before, Brambilla had his outcome today with other suspect italian performances, Poels is a CG rider (only that he crashed badly some years ago, otherwise he´d be even further). So all that´s left after clearing the noise is Urans strong performance of today. A rider who gradually improved over the years.

For clarification... The bolded

@ Mods: Why you delete my post? If people can´t discuss in normal manners but come out shouting, I should be allowed to shout back. ******* double standards.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

Wow, that sound dangerously like you have applied some logic and common sense. You in the right forum bro?

LOL. Nice one...

 

[Tyler'sTwin]

Facts: Until Romandie this year, Uran has been very consistently 4-6 s/km slower in time trials than the winner. Since then he is -2 to +2 s/km slower than the winner.

This is a ~20% improvement in power output.

John Swanson

Yes, I'm sure a guy who podiumed the Giro last year has now improved his power output by 20%. We should expect him to win Zoncolan by 8 minutes according to mr Swanson's foolproof analysis.

 

[armchairclimber]

Facts: Until Romandie this year, Uran has been very consistently 4-6 s/km slower in time trials than the winner. Since then he is -2 to +2 s/km slower than the winner.

This is a ~20% improvement in power output.

John Swanson

I hope you aren't actually a scientist or a mathematician

 

[Dazed and Confused]

Lets see if the HotSteppers can turn the race into Giro di Taus.

 

[JimmyFingers]

Not sure why you guys brought up Sky, but since you already did, I'll just say this is completely consistent with my theory that the Colombians, and the classics squad, weren't part of the A Team at Sky.

So the Colombians, one of who is suspended while they research his blood values, and who were Wiggins' key domestiques last year, and finished third in the Giro last year, weren't part of ATeam? And so what, were clean? And now Uran's left, and he's threatening to win the GT he finished their in, is now dirty? But there's still team wide dope programme at Sky, so what, it's racism that they excluded the Colombians? Or was it they weren't getting the A-grade ish, so Iran left to get the good stuff?

This place, lol

 

[hrotha]

So the Colombians, one of who is suspended while they research his blood values, and who were Wiggins' key domestiques last year, and finished third in the Giro last year, weren't part of ATeam? And so what, were clean? And now Uran's left, and he's threatening to win the GT he finished their in, is now dirty? But there's still team wide dope programme at Sky, so what, it's racism that they excluded the Colombians? Or was it they weren't getting the A-grade ish, so Iran left to get the good stuff?

This place, lol

Not being in the A Team != Being clean.

Your mistake is that you think the whole Clinic holds the same views, and then you call its members out on what you seem to perceive as an inconsistency where all there is is different people holding different views. My theory has always been consistent on this point: there's no team-wide doping at Sky if you take that expression literally, there's an A Team, which I believe was made up of Rogers, Porte, Wiggins and Froome at the 2012 Tour.

You don't let everybody into the sancta sanctorum. That's a recipe for being exposed down the road. I never said anything about racism being involved, I always said it was simply a matter of trust.

So save your derision for yourself.

 

[Bexon30]

Facts: Until Romandie this year, Uran has been very consistently 4-6 s/km slower in time trials than the winner. Since then he is -2 to +2 s/km slower than the winner.

This is a ~20% improvement in power output.

John Swanson

I'd be interested to see how he would perform an ITT against Wiggins,Martin,Cancellara,Froome or Contador on this course. No doubt he did well but how well.....

 

[ScienceIsCool]

Yes, I'm sure a guy who podiumed the Giro last year has now improved his power output by 20%. We should expect him to win Zoncolan by 8 minutes according to mr Swanson's foolproof analysis.

His single ITT performance at last year's Giro is the only outlier among all his ITT performances until Romandie this year. Otherwise, yes; he's consistently 4-6 s/km slower than the winner of ITT's. Source: ProCyclingStats

An average increase in performance of ~6 seconds per kilometer at (estimated) 50 km/hr requires ~20% more power (or reduced drag).

Just presenting the facts.

John Swanson

 

[Netserk]

So the Colombians, one of who is suspended while they research his blood values, and who were Wiggins' key domestiques last year, and finished third in the Giro last year, weren't part of ATeam? And so what, were clean? And now Uran's left, and he's threatening to win the GT he finished their in, is now dirty? But there's still team wide dope programme at Sky, so what, it's racism that they excluded the Colombians? Or was it they weren't getting the A-grade ish, so Iran left to get the good stuff?

This place, lol

Your post, lol.

So every rider who doped on US postal were part of the A team? Or were there riders not a part of the A team who doped? Every rider who got help from the team was part of the A team?

Henao third in the Giro last year? Iran?

 

[ScienceIsCool]

I'd be interested to see how he would perform an ITT against Wiggins,Martin,Cancellara,Froome or Contador on this course. No doubt he did well but how well.....

Well, he was 1.2 km/hr (2.2 s/km) faster than Evans (3rd place) today! Evans has been in slow decline over the last few years as he ages, but is still a very good time trailer.

I'd say he'd have done pretty well against these guys.

John Swanson

 

[Bexon30]

Well, he was 1.2 km/hr (2.2 s/km) faster than Evans (3rd place) today! Evans has been in slow decline over the last few years as he ages, but is still a very good time trailer.

I'd say he'd have done pretty well against these guys.

John Swanson

It's very true and I don't doubt what you say. For me his performance was scary at the end to push a lead out so far, but I still don't think he has the performance to trouble most of the previous 5 I mentioned. Still 4 in the top 10 is hilarious.

Edit: Cadel rolled back the years a little today, albeit nearly pushing too much. I still think his race will fall apart in week 3 due to the age and fatigue.

 

[Miburo]

Uran's performance is just too ridiculous. He never did anything even close to that.

I can't see how you can defend this, it's like Nibali last year in the giro MTT but even that is more realistic.

He just rode 2 minutes fast in an ITT than he should be able to. Everyone on that team did really well. I'm pretty sure de gendt doesn't dope though, then again i'm not willing to risk much on it.

 

[TailWindHome]

I haven't seen the stage yet but I'm getting the impression that this TT a bit hillier and more technical than people were expecting.

A bit like last year when Uran came 12th - as a plan C domestique carrying Wiggins around.

Shouldn't really be a surprise for him to do well today.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

I still think his race will fall apart in week 3 due to the age and fatigue.

Same was said here about Überdoper Horner last year. Only that it didn´t happen... Whatever. I take a young gradually improving suspect Uran 1.000 times over a suspect dark-era rider like Evans.

 

[proffate]

I'm pretty sure de gendt doesn't dope though, then again i'm not willing to risk much on it.

uh, what? Then why is his form so inconsistent and sometimes incredible?

 

[pastronef]

well, I don't know if cheering or cursing after this TT

cheering because OPQS is getting a bit of deserved clinic spotlight with their huge performance, topped by Uran's missile TT (but they are still sooo far from Sky in the clinic love GC )

cursing because Majka and Quintana will have a hard time against the Steppers

 

[deValtos]

His single ITT performance at last year's Giro is the only outlier among all his ITT performances until Romandie this year. Otherwise, yes; he's consistently 4-6 s/km slower than the winner of ITT's. Source: ProCyclingStats

An average increase in performance of ~6 seconds per kilometer at (estimated) 50 km/hr requires ~20% more power (or reduced drag).

Just presenting the facts.

John Swanson

Why not use the speed of today's TT rather than an estimation ? He won in 43.983 km/hr.

 

[roundabout]

Not being in the A Team != Being clean.

Your mistake is that you think the whole Clinic holds the same views, and then you call its members out on what you seem to perceive as an inconsistency where all there is is different people holding different views. My theory has always been consistent on this point: there's no team-wide doping at Sky if you take that expression literally, there's an A Team, which I believe was made up of Rogers, Porte, Wiggins and Froome at the 2012 Tour.

You don't let everybody into the sancta sanctorum. That's a recipe for being exposed down the road. I never said anything about racism being involved, I always said it was simply a matter of trust.

So save your derision for yourself.

I doubt that Uran would refuse a little extra help. Nor would he tell everyone about it.