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Logic-is-your-friend said:
Does Kwiatkovsky even want to be a GC rider? I mean, why would they even favor him over Bernal, who could use these small GC races to boost confidence, gain experience in defending a lead etc... or would they just throw Kwiatkovski a bone and assume Bernal's time will come anyway?
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Stage races GC-wise, Bernal has won Amgen (WT) 2018, Sibiu (2.1, Romania) 2017 and Colombia (2.1) 2018 (+ stage wins). And Avenir 2017, of course.

Kwiato has won Tirreno (WT) 2018, Poland (WT) 2018, Algarve (2.1) 2018 and 2014 (+ stage wins).

Can't really see the difference between these two considered as GC riders, especially as far as one-week races are concerned.

Obviously, Bernal will most likely develop (very) shortly into a rider capable of winning any GT - while Kwiato most likely will not. But in one-week races, I can easily see both of them winning GC. "Throwing a bone" (to Kwiatkowski) vs. "boosting confidence and gaining experience in defending a lead" (for Bernal) does not sound fair enough.

If I were Sky, I would see no reason to favour Bernal over Kwiatkowski, or to favour Kwiatkowski over Bernal.
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If you don't see the difference between these two considered as GC riders, then i advise you to get your eyes checked :D

Bernal went to the TDF as a domestique and he finished 15th.
Kwiatkowski went to the Vuelta as leader and he finished 43rd.

Anyway, i'm not saying Kwitakowski should necessarilly ride for Bernal. I'm just saying Bernal shouldn't ride for Kwiatkowski.
 
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Re: Re:

Logic-is-your-friend said:
*** the quick said:
Logic-is-your-friend said:
Does Kwiatkovsky even want to be a GC rider? I mean, why would they even favor him over Bernal, who could use these small GC races to boost confidence, gain experience in defending a lead etc... or would they just throw Kwiatkovski a bone and assume Bernal's time will come anyway?
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Stage races GC-wise, Bernal has won Amgen (WT) 2018, Sibiu (2.1, Romania) 2017 and Colombia (2.1) 2018 (+ stage wins). And Avenir 2017, of course.

Kwiato has won Tirreno (WT) 2018, Poland (WT) 2018, Algarve (2.1) 2018 and 2014 (+ stage wins).

Can't really see the difference between these two considered as GC riders, especially as far as one-week races are concerned.

Obviously, Bernal will most likely develop (very) shortly into a rider capable of winning any GT - while Kwiato most likely will not. But in one-week races, I can easily see both of them winning GC. "Throwing a bone" (to Kwiatkowski) vs. "boosting confidence and gaining experience in defending a lead" (for Bernal) does not sound fair enough.

If I were Sky, I would see no reason to favour Bernal over Kwiatkowski, or to favour Kwiatkowski over Bernal.
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If you don't see the difference between these two considered as GC riders, then i advise you to get your eyes checked :D

Bernal went to the TDF as a domestique and he finished 15th.
Kwiatkowski went to the Vuelta as leader and he finished 43rd.

Anyway, i'm not saying Kwitakowski should necessarilly ride for Bernal. I'm just saying Bernal shouldn't ride for Kwiatkowski.
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TT and that summit finish will decide who will work for who. Until then they're both protected, as they should be.
 
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Re: Re:

Logic-is-your-friend said:
*** the quick said:
Logic-is-your-friend said:
Does Kwiatkovsky even want to be a GC rider? I mean, why would they even favor him over Bernal, who could use these small GC races to boost confidence, gain experience in defending a lead etc... or would they just throw Kwiatkovski a bone and assume Bernal's time will come anyway?
Click to expand...

Stage races GC-wise, Bernal has won Amgen (WT) 2018, Sibiu (2.1, Romania) 2017 and Colombia (2.1) 2018 (+ stage wins). And Avenir 2017, of course.

Kwiato has won Tirreno (WT) 2018, Poland (WT) 2018, Algarve (2.1) 2018 and 2014 (+ stage wins).

Can't really see the difference between these two considered as GC riders, especially as far as one-week races are concerned.

Obviously, Bernal will most likely develop (very) shortly into a rider capable of winning any GT - while Kwiato most likely will not. But in one-week races, I can easily see both of them winning GC. "Throwing a bone" (to Kwiatkowski) vs. "boosting confidence and gaining experience in defending a lead" (for Bernal) does not sound fair enough.

If I were Sky, I would see no reason to favour Bernal over Kwiatkowski, or to favour Kwiatkowski over Bernal.
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If you don't see the difference between these two considered as GC riders, then i advise you to get your eyes checked :D

Bernal went to the TDF as a domestique and he finished 15th.
Kwiatkowski went to the Vuelta as leader and he finished 43rd.

Anyway, i'm not saying Kwitakowski should necessarilly ride for Bernal. I'm just saying Bernal shouldn't ride for Kwiatkowski.
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Well, I get my eyes checked and I still see both of them as GC guys in one-week stage races (which the Paris-Nice is and which is being discussed in this thread). Regarding Grand Tours - which the Paris-Nice is not - I made it clear that Bernal already is (and most likely always will be) definitely better GC candidate.

If Bernal is a designated GC guy, Kwiatkowski should ride for him. If Kwiatkowski is given with a GC contender role, Bernal should ride for him. That's very simple rule IMO.
 
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Re: Re:

*** the quick said:
Well, I get my eyes checked and I still see both of them as GC guys in one-week stage races (which the Paris-Nice is and which is being discussed in this thread). Regarding Grand Tours - which the Paris-Nice is not - I made it clear that Bernal already is (and most likely always will be) definitely better GC candidate.

If Bernal is a designated GC guy, Kwiatkowski should ride for him. If Kwiatkowski is given with a GC contender role, Bernal should ride for him. That's very simple rule IMO.
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It should be very obvious that normally Bernal is a much stronger climber than Kwiatkowski, and Col de Turini is quite a serious climb.

Also, I disagree that whoever is the designated GC guy should have the full loyalty of the other. In this situation it makes no sense to me to appoint a designated leader. If Bernal is within range after the TT, let him ride for himself. If Bernal is no longer in with a shot, it makes no sense to let him blow up Kwiatkowski's legs just because Bernal was the designated leader.
 
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Thomas De Gendt, Christoph Pfingsten, Julien Bernard, Olivier Le Gac, Mathias Le Turnier, Alessandro De Marchi, Kevin Reza, Magnus Cort Nielsen, Giulio Ciccone, Elie Gesbert, and Damien Gaudin in the break.
 
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I'd say it's 50/50 between the breakaway and a very reduced sprint.

It should be too hard for most of the sprinters. Except perhaps Trentin. I'd except Sky to starting drilling it on the hardest climb (Côte de Condrieu) to drop the sprinters, reel in the break and get a stage win + more bonus seconds for Kwiatkowski.
 
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