Paris-Nice 2012 - Stage 5; Onet-le-Chateau - Mende (178.5 km)

[Ryo Hazuki]

He needs more than a 20 sec advantage going into the TT, IMO. But it won't happen regardless. Wiggo will probably drop Levi, too. The GC "battle" has been dull since day one. :

this indeed. even worse than last year

 

[Lexman]

Veuchelen took four point on the first climb, Col d'Aujols.

Vorganov and Seeldrayers tried to make the jump but didn't succeed...

 

[Kvinto]

Valv needs more than a 20 sec advantage going into the TT, IMO. But it won't happen regardless. Wiggo will probably drop Levi, too. The GC "battle" has been dull since day one.

yeah, but if he wins today by lets say 25sec+10bonus sec = 35sec he'll be 15sec ahead of Wiggo in GC, so i'd expect him to try to get another 10 bonus seconds in sprint of one of two remaining stages before Col d'Èze to increase his lead to 25sec before the tt that suit him more than the one on stage 1

 

[jens_attacks]

i forgot to add that i'm really sure that wiggins will use this stage as a simulation for tour de france.maillot jaune on the back,pretty hard stage,there will be attacks.they have to control it like it is july right now.and they have a team to do that,too bad froomy is not here.

Km 14 - The four escapees now lead the peloton by six minutes. The bunch is led by six Team Sky riders.

at least this stage shouldn't be dull.valverde has to give his best here.

 

[Frosty]

Cant see the break achieving more than some KoM points but for info le lay is the highest placed at 3.26.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

i forgot to add that i'm really sure that wiggins will use this stage as a simulation for tour de france.maillot jaune on the back,pretty hard stage,there will be attacks.they have to control it like it is july right now.and they have a team to do that,too bad froomy is not here.

Km 14 - The four escapees now lead the peloton by six minutes. The bunch is led by six Team Sky riders.

at least this stage shouldn't be dull.valverde has to give his best here.

dude. what happened to you? you act as if wiggins is the new indurain.

 

[jens_attacks]

dude. what happened to you? you act as if wiggins is the new indurain.

not the new indurain for sure.but the next tour de france winner most likely.
what can i say?i'm impressed by sky and by bradley's mentality

 

[Zam_Olyas]

Not looking good for wiggins and his fans

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

not the new indurain for sure.but the next tour de france winner most likely.
what can i say?i'm impressed by sky and by bradley's mentality

lol. wiggins will never win the tour. he's simply not a great climber. or have you forgotten the vuelta?

 

[hrotha]

lol. wiggins will never win the tour. he's simply not a great climber. or have you forgotten the vuelta?

Well, in the Vuelta he cracked on climbs that are steeper than anything the Tour has, and the Tour has more ITT kms.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

he was also nowhere near the best on any other climbs in the vuelta.a nd the vuelta competition was other than cobo and froome, pathetic at best. mollema basically outclimbed him almost everywhere and also kessiakoff until eh got sick. also menchov who had a horrid seaosn and started badly in vuelta came through in final week and was a lot better. he will never come close to samuel sanchez either and he won't gain much time on him in itt either. remember vuelta's itt?? wiggins was not good there either. doing an itt in a gt is something a lot different and that itt in vuelta was after 10 days

 

[jens_attacks]

vuelta was even more impressive because he came back after a broken collarbone,that messed up his program badly.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

vuelta was even more impressive because he came back after a broken collarbone,that messed up his program badly.

he did a little better than jvdb yes who crashed and injured a lot worse. wiggins vuelta wasn't impressive to me at all. froome and cobo were impressive

 

[hrotha]

he was also nowhere near the best on any other climbs in the vuelta.a nd the vuelta competition was other than cobo and froome, pathetic at best. mollema basically outclimbed him almost everywhere and also kessiakoff until eh got sick. also menchov who had a horrid seaosn and started badly in vuelta came through in final week and was a lot better. he will never come close to samuel sanchez either and he won't gain much time on him in itt either. remember vuelta's itt?? wiggins was not good there either. doing an itt in a gt is something a lot different and that itt in vuelta was after 10 days

All that is true, of course, but I can see why someone would consider Wiggins a top favourite.

 

[airstream]

I don't believe he's able to show equally good results on the climbs and in TT to win this Tour, but he was objectively 3th climber on the Vuelta, better than Menchov, whom presumably Ryo Hazuki considers a bigger favourite.

 

[cycladianpirate]

he did a little better than jvdb yes who crashed and injured a lot worse. wiggins vuelta wasn't impressive to me at all. froome and cobo were impressive

Surely it wasn't just the nature and extent of his injury, but moreover, the fact that he had trained specifically for the Tour and then had to swiftly adopt a plan B. Hardly ideal prep for a GT, but he was still in the mix.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

Surely it wasn't just the nature and extent of his injury, but moreover, the fact that he had trained specifically for the Tour and then had to swiftly adopt a plan B. Hardly ideal prep for a GT, but he was still in the mix.

so did jvdb

 

[cineteq]

I have the feeling Wiggins' form will be exposed today in the final climb and on Sat. cat 1 climb. I'm not convinced he's trained or prepared for the length of this race. In the end, it should be only between Levi and Alex to sort out the winner.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

I don't believe he's able to show equally good results on the climbs and in TT to win this Tour, but he was objectively 3th climber on the Vuelta, better than Menchov, whom presumably Ryo Hazuki considers a bigger favourite.

yeah which is very weird considering menchov already won 2 gt's

 

[Zam_Olyas]

I don't believe he's able to show equally good results on the climbs and in TT to win this Tour, but he was objectively 3th climber on the Vuelta, better than Menchov, whom presumably Ryo Hazuki considers a bigger favourite.

I hope your dislike for people/something do not interfere with your judgement.

 

[18-Valve. (pithy)]

yeah, but if he wins today by lets say 25sec+10bonus sec = 35sec he'll be 15sec ahead of Wiggo in GC, so i'd expect him to try to get another 10 bonus seconds in sprint of one of two remaining stages before Col d'Èze to increase his lead to 25sec before the tt that suit him more than the one on stage 1

I was talking about a 20 second lead, so I don't see how 5 extra seconds would matter. 25 seconds is simply not enough, IMO. It's quite a decisive short TT. While it may suit Valverde much better than the prologue the time gaps will be substantial. 25 seconds is nothing.

Besides, there's no way Valverde will increase his lead by another 10 seconds in the next two (breakaway) stages with finishes that are not selective at all.

 

[hatcher]

he was also nowhere near the best on any other climbs in the vuelta.a nd the vuelta competition was other than cobo and froome, pathetic at best. mollema basically outclimbed him almost everywhere and also kessiakoff until eh got sick. also menchov who had a horrid seaosn and started badly in vuelta came through in final week and was a lot better. he will never come close to samuel sanchez either and he won't gain much time on him in itt either. remember vuelta's itt?? wiggins was not good there either. doing an itt in a gt is something a lot different and that itt in vuelta was after 10 days

Do you actually believe the stuff you make up?

I would very much like to see your argument made that Mollema "basically outclimbed him everywhere and also kessiakoff until he he go sick".

 

[hatcher]

I have the feeling Wiggins' form will be exposed today in the final climb and on Sat. cat 1 climb. I'm not convinced he's trained or prepared for the length of this race. In the end, it should be only between Levi and Alex to sort out the winner.

Shocker.

..

 

[airstream]

I hope your dislike for people/something do not interfere with your judgement.

In fact, it's better to be silent. Then, no one certainly doesn't notice a dislike in someone's opinion.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

Do you actually believe the stuff you make up?

I would very much like to see your argument made that Mollema "basically outclimbed him everywhere and also kessiakoff until he he go sick".

1 Christopher Froome (GBr) Sky Procycling 4:52:38
2 Juan Jose Cobo Acebo (Spa) Geox-TMC 0:00:01
3 Bauke Mollema (Ned) Rabobank Cycling Team 0:00:21
4 Daniel Martin (Irl) Team Garmin-Cervelo 0:00:24
5 Igor Anton Hernandez (Spa) Euskaltel-Euskadi 0:00:27
6 Mikel Nieve Ituralde (Spa) Euskaltel-Euskadi
7 Marzio Bruseghin (Ita) Movistar Team 0:00:29
8 Jurgen Van Den Broeck (Bel) Omega Pharma-Lotto 0:00:31
9 Denis Menchov (Rus) Geox-TMC
10 Beñat Intxausti Elorriaga (Spa) Movistar Team 0:00:35
11 Daniel Moreno Fernandez (Spa) Katusha Team
12 Bradley Wiggins (GBr) Sky Procycling 0:00:39



1 Daniel Martin (Irl) Team Garmin-Cervelo 4:52:14
2 Bauke Mollema (Ned) Rabobank Cycling Team
3 Juan Jose Cobo Acebo (Spa) Geox-TMC 0:00:03
4 Bradley Wiggins (GBr) Sky Procycling 0:00:04
5 Christopher Froome (GBr) Sky Procycling 0:00:07
6 Vincenzo Nibali (Ita) Liquigas-Cannondale 0:00:11
7 Rein Taaramae (Est) Cofidis, Le Credit En Ligne 0:00:12
8 Denis Menchov (Rus) Geox-TMC
9 Haimar Zubeldia Agirre (Spa) Team RadioShack
10 Fredrik Kessiakoff (Swe) Pro Team Astana


1 Joaquin Rodriguez Oliver (Spa) Katusha Team 4:49:01
2 Michele Scarponi (Ita) Lampre - ISD 0:00:09
3 Bauke Mollema (Ned) Rabobank Cycling Team
4 Jurgen Van Den Broeck (Bel) Omega Pharma-Lotto
5 Jakob Fuglsang (Den) Leopard Trek 0:00:12
6 Igor Anton Hernandez (Spa) Euskaltel-Euskadi 0:00:15
7 Nicolas Roche (Irl) AG2R La Mondiale
8 Denis Menchov (Rus) Geox-TMC
9 Daniel Martin (Irl) Team Garmin-Cervelo
10 Fredrik Kessiakoff (Swe) Pro Team Astana
11 Haimar Zubeldia Agirre (Spa) Team RadioShack 0:00:20
12 Maxime Monfort (Bel) Leopard Trek
13 Mikel Nieve Ituralde (Spa) Euskaltel-Euskadi
14 Marzio Bruseghin (Ita) Movistar Team
15 Daniel Moreno Fernandez (Spa) Katusha Team
16 Janez Brajkovic (Slo) Team RadioShack
17 Wout Poels (Ned) Vacansoleil-DCM Pro Cycling Team
18 Juan Jose Cobo Acebo (Spa) Geox-TMC
19 Bradley Wiggins (GBr) Sky Procycling

1 Joaquin Rodriguez Oliver (Spa) Katusha Team 4:42:54
2 Wout Poels (Ned) Vacansoleil-DCM Pro Cycling Team 0:00:04
3 Daniel Moreno Fernandez (Spa) Katusha Team 0:00:05
4 Bauke Mollema (Ned) Rabobank Cycling Team 0:00:07
5 Michele Scarponi (Ita) Lampre - ISD
6 Haimar Zubeldia Agirre (Spa) Team RadioShack
7 Jakob Fuglsang (Den) Leopard Trek
8 Nicolas Roche (Irl) AG2R La Mondiale
9 Jurgen Van Den Broeck (Bel) Omega Pharma-Lotto
10 Fredrik Kessiakoff (Swe) Pro Team Astana
11 Vincenzo Nibali (Ita) Liquigas-Cannondale 0:00:11
12 Sergio Pardilla Belllón (Spa) Movistar Team
13 Mikel Nieve Ituralde (Spa) Euskaltel-Euskadi
14 Denis Menchov (Rus) Geox-TMC
15 Jan Bakelants (Bel) Omega Pharma-Lotto
16 Luis Leon Sanchez Gil (Spa) Rabobank Cycling Team
17 Steven Kruijswijk (Ned) Rabobank Cycling Team 0:00:17
18 Chris Anker Sörensen (Den) Saxo Bank Sungard 0:00:20
19 Janez Brajkovic (Slo) Team RadioShack
20 Bradley Wiggins (GBr) Sky Procycling

5 Bradley Wiggins (GBr) Sky Procycling 0:00:45
6 Christopher Froome (GBr) Sky Procycling
7 Bauke Mollema (Ned) Rabobank Cycling Team

same level

sierra nevada equal. only on angliru was wiggins better than mollema. kessiakoff indeed didn't do better than wiggins. I thought he did remembering how high he wa splaced in gc quite far into the race but he didn't do much worse either