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Getting yourself hurt in a major race is one thing, getting hurt in minor race like P-N is another.

We decided years ago it was better to be preventive about health & safety rather than reactionary. I'm not really sure why you think 'we should wait until a rider or spectator gets hurt before we stop' sounds good.
If the race is too minor to be worth the risks, abandon it.
 
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"Better safe than sorry" as a general remark really isn't very useful as a guideline for pro cycling. It isn't a safe sport and it will never be.
You just have to make a sensible decision in each case, look carefully at the exact situation.

I agree!

The problem is that decisions in cases like this one seem to involve many interests, including the opinions of the various competing teams. So the decision might not be based on objective assessments alone.
 
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It may have been the right decision to cancel today, but worried about the increasing state of excessive safetyism in the world spilling over too much into cycling. Nobody should be risking their lives to finish the race but it is inherently a dangerous sport and there are going to be manageable and reasonable risks involved. Things like hurricanes and 50C weather are obvious reasons to shut it down but the grey areas seem to be getting swept up in one direction only these days.
 
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I like how the forum is seemingly okay with that move by Démare for Gaudu after all the calls for all of Quickstep to get disqualified at the end of the Belgium Tour last year when Lampaert did similar (if somewhat more dangerous) for Schmid.
There was nothing wrong with Démare's sprint, he had the favourable position and didn't endanger Pogi.
 
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"Better safe than sorry" as a general remark really isn't very useful as a guideline for pro cycling. It isn't a safe sport and it will never be.
You just have to make a sensible decision in each case, look carefully at the exact situation.
Besides, cycling is eminently the sport of man vs. elements. Being able to ride in various weather conditions is part of the game too. They just cancelled Drentse 8 because...., well, nothing. Wet snow and rain. FOH.
 
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So all races that are not Grand Tours or Monuments are minor?
I don't think you read me right. I didn't call it minor, @Izzyeviel did.

I think it's up to the riders. If it's major enough for them to be worth what they perceive the risks are, they should be allowed to race it. The riders who share @Izzyeviel's view that the race is too minor to be worth it should abandon the race and let the others race.
 
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It's a bike race. Their only duty is that of racing. Spectators can take care of themselves or go back to kindergarten.
The legal system says otherwise. Organisers of spectator sports have a duty of care to the public.
 
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The legal system says otherwise. Organisers of spectator sports have a duty of care to the public.
Sure in truly extreme scenarios. But most of these weather warnings happen for almost anything. Half the time I’ll get home and hear there is an active weather warning in my area and you’d never have the slightest idea otherwise. It ends up being a crying wolf scenario because then nobody actually pays attention when it matters.
 
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Sure in truly extreme scenarios. But most of these weather warnings happen for almost anything. Half the time I’ll get home and hear there is an active weather warning in my area and you’d never have the slightest idea otherwise. It ends up being a crying wolf scenario because then nobody actually pays attention when it matters.

Here too. 3 centimeters of snow, and people are encouraged to stay home. It's gone crazy. And the media are loving it (while most are laughing at it).
 
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The legal system says otherwise. Organisers of spectator sports have a duty of care to the public.
The legal system (in France) obliges race organisers to protect random people standing beside public roads across hundreds of kms, not just those who bought access to a venue?
 
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Here too. 3 centimeters of snow, and people are encouraged to stay home. It's gone crazy. And the media are loving it (while most are laughing at it).
Considering your countless posts this afternoon, it seems like a pretty safe bet you haven't been outside at all, let alone anyone near the P-N route.
Media reports on stuff the people wants to hear.

There are 4or5 people complaining on this board. Majority doesn't mind or agrees with the cancellation.
 

I'm not against the cancellation if it's indeed dangerous for riders, but ffs, we should stop giving a voice to anyone who only knows to cry. Being excessively light is a choice a rider makes because he wants to have advantage in another terrain. So, the particular weight of a rider should be of no consideration to the running of a stage. Either the conditions are dangerous for everyone, 50 or 100kg, or if not, go race in Tenerife.
 
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Considering your countless posts this afternoon, it seems like a pretty safe bet you haven't been outside at all, let alone anyone near the P-N route.
Media reports on stuff the people wants to hear.

There are 4or5 people complaining on this board. Majority doesn't mind or agrees with the cancellation.

I was behind my quota, so I was afraid of being kicked out by the administrator if I didn't step up and wrote some more comments.

Thanks for the statistics about public opinion by the way.