Paris-Nice 2024, March 3-10

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How so? There are still 13 teams on time, so it's the stage count-back of the top-3 riders for each of the two stages, no?

no, when they are s.t. in team gc, it's the amount of wins (2nd, 3rd, etc) in the daily team classification which counts

Bora was 2nd yesterday, so a win could have moved them on par with Visma, but the tie breaker would be individual GC then, where Kooij beats all Bora riders.

 

[Didinho]

De Lie 97bpm average today. And they say something about the Oman stages.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

I havent been following Vlasov very closet TBH - where does this bad teammate meme come from? Just Uijtdebroeks in Vuelta or something else as well?

He's Russian, goddamnit!

I think such gaps between strong teams on a 25km TTT are nearly impossible. It's also quite hilly, which I think should help Bora at least vs Soudal.

I don't really see what you mean about hilly being better for Bora vs SQS. Is this still the Evenepoel doesn't take time uphill meme you've been trying to push since Pologne '20, or is there some other reason behind this train of thought? I mean, 3 of their 4 best TTers are climbers.

 

[Netserk]

no, when they are s.t. in team gc, it's the amount of wins (2nd, 3rd, etc) in the daily team classification which counts

Bora was 2nd yesterday, so a win could have moved them on par with Visma, but the tie breaker would be individual GC then, where Kooij beats all Bora riders.

Ah, thanks. They would still have overtaken Visma if Bora won the team GC today and Visma was worse than 2nd though?

 

[red_flanders]

Are the rules for this TTT outlined somewhere in English? I'm not totally groking it.

 

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Ah, thanks. They would still have overtaken Visma if Bora won the team GC today and Visma was worse than 2nd though?

yeah, you're right, I misread that part. But there was no real danger of dropping back significantly.

 

[Netserk]

Are the rules for this TTT outlined somewhere in English? I'm not totally groking it.

It's like a regular TTT, except that instead of the time of the 4th rider across the line counting, it's the time of the 1st rider from the team.

The road-book is in French:

ARTICLE 16. CONTRE-LA-MONTRE PAR ÉQUIPE Pour la 3e étape, disputée en contre-la-montre par équipe, les départs sont donnés de 4’ en 4’ dans l’ordre inverse du classement général par équipes à l’issue de la 2e étape, à l’exception de celle du leader du classement général individuel qui part en dernière position. Le classement de l’étape s’établit pour chacune des équipes sur le temps réalisé par le coureur ayant franchi la ligne en 1re position. Au classement général individuel, les temps réels sont reportés de la manière suivante : - Temps du 1er coureur de chaque équipe pour les coureurs arrivant dans le même temps ; - Temps réel pour les coureurs attardés. Cependant les coureurs arrivant en dehors des délais impartis par le règlement (30 %) sont éliminés. Dès le départ de la première équipe, l’entraînement est interdit sur le parcours. Chaque équipe ne peut être suivie par plus de 2 véhicules équipe. Les véhicules suiveurs doivent se trouver à 25 m au minimum derrière le dernier coureur de l’équipe. Conformément à l’article 2.6.028 du règlement de l’UCI, en cas de chute, de crevaison ou d’incident mécanique dûment constaté, après le passage sous la fl amme rouge (dernier kilomètre), le ou les coureur(s) impacté(s) est (sont) crédité(s) du temps du ou des coéquipier(s) en compagnie du ou desquels il(s) se trouvai(en)t au moment de l’incident. Lors du contre-la-montre par équipe, les transpondeurs sont obligatoires.

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ARTICLE 16. TEAM TIME TRIAL For stage 3, contested as a team time trial, riders start from 4' to 4' in the reverse order of the general team classification at the end of stage 2, with the exception of the leader of the general individual classification who starts in last position. The stage classification is based for each team on the time achieved by the rider who crossed the line in 1st position. For the general individual classification, the actual times are calculated as follows: - Time of the 1st rider in each team for riders arriving in the same time; - Actual time for riders arriving late. However, riders arriving outside the time limits laid down in the regulations (30%) are eliminated. From the start of the first team, training is prohibited on the course. Each team may not be followed by more than 2 team vehicles. The following vehicles must be at least 25 m behind the last rider in the team. In accordance with article 2.6.028 of the UCI regulations, in the event of a crash, puncture or duly recorded mechanical incident, after passing under the red line (last kilometre), the rider(s) affected is (are) credited with the time of the team-mate(s) with whom he (they) was (were) riding at the time of the incident. Transponders are compulsory in the team time trial.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

It's like a regular TTT, except that instead of the time of the 4th rider across the line counting, it's the time of the 1st rider from the team.

Basically, each rider 's individual time.

 

[Netserk]

Except that riders arriving together with the first rider get the same time.

 

[Lequack]

Tomorrow is a 26k TTT:

 

[topcat]

Will Roglic take a turn before the last 50 metres?

 

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I mean the team deserves this fail when you go with Jakobsen to a stage race with 1 clear sprint stage instead of one with 3 or 4.

for Jakobsen, it would probably be two chances only in Tirreno as well. But sure, still more than in Paris-Nice.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

Except that riders arriving together with the first rider get the same time.

Which is the same as... their individual time. Give or take some milliseconds.

 

[TourOfSardinia]

Ideally UAE will each do their own ITT - tactics as usual.

 

[Netserk]

Which is the same as... their individual time. Give or take some milliseconds.

So same, but not the same.

 

[red_flanders]

It's like a regular TTT, except that instead of the time of the 4th rider across the line counting, it's the time of the 1st rider from the team.

The road-book is in French:

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Thanks! Has that ever been the rule? Is the implication that one rider can just go alone if that's faster? I wonder, given the hills, if some of the principals will be faster solo. I guess I'm just catching up, seems like there's been some discussion around this...

 

[Netserk]

Thanks! Has that ever been the rule? Is the implication that one rider can just go alone if that's faster? I wonder, given the hills, if some of the principals will be faster solo. I guess I'm just catching up, seems like there's been some discussion around this...

It was the same last year.

Also back in the 2004 edition of Tour Méditerranéen.

 

[Carrick-On-Seine]

Ideally UAE will each do their own ITT - tactics as usual.

Epic seven man race to look forward to.
Pollit and Grosschartrner to go in early break and Soler to attack when it all comes back together but Almeida outsprints Vine on the line.

 

[Devil's Elbow]

It shouldn't change anything significant apart from the fact you can be a little bit more aggressive in shedding off weaker riders and you don't have to care about keeping riders on board in the final, so the final kms are a bit more aggressive still.

WIth the final 10km being like 1% downhill on average, not many individuals would take that faster than a larger group.

This rule would change a lot more if the TTT ended on a big hill.

Wouldn't even have to be a big hill to have a major impact. Even the Worlds 2012 TTT (ending just after Cauberg) or the Tour 2015 TTT (ending on Cadoudal) would have been quite a bit different.

 

[DNP-Old]

@DNP-Old

Jakobsen on the same watchlist as Bennett when?

What would be reasonable? I would like to be fair and give him until the Giro, but he's got some stat padding opportunities coming up in Turkey. He might be on the Viviani trajectory more so than Bennett, and that, too, is a problem.

 

[Unchained]

Will Roglic take a turn before the last 50 metres?

I feel like I can't control my laughter at how hateful people are about Roglic not being a breakaway rider,
I didn't know how someone could turn him into a wheelsucker, even w his own team until your comments, love it..

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

So same, but not the same.

Indeed. Hence the word "basically" in my post.

 

[RedheadDane]

What would be reasonable? I would like to be fair and give him until the Giro, but he's got some stat padding opportunities coming up in Turkey. He might be on the Viviani trajectory more so than Bennett, and that, too, is a problem.

What's the Viviani trajectory?

 

[Netserk]

Indeed. Hence the word "basically" in my post.

What clarification did it add to my post? The only way it was different was in the way it was wrong.

 

[DNP-Old]

What's the Viviani trajectory?

Get paid big $ to do nothing in big races, but stat pad your way to a solid amount of victories against questionable competition in Croatia and Turkey.