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And he was very, very close to not even advancing from the opening heats (he had already beat the OR in the relay, to be fair, so his shape wasn't terrible).
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In other news, the Canadian football women have made it through to the quater finals despite that 6 points penalty.
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But we still have US outlets publishing the medal tables in terms of "total medals won" so they can put the US at the top and pretend they aren't bossing the minor placings
Fear not, though, your time will come.
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My jaw dropped a little bit when I saw how big the gap to second was.
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Stop the count!!!But we still have US outlets publishing the medal tables in terms of "total medals won" so they can put the US at the top and pretend they aren't bossing the minor placings
Fear not, though, your time will come.
Yeah, once we get to the track, things will heat up.But we still have US outlets publishing the medal tables in terms of "total medals won" so they can put the US at the top and pretend they aren't bossing the minor placings
Fear not, though, your time will come.
Hopefully, Wout will have a similar transformation on Saturday.
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I was listening to the radio and they said she has 23 of the28 fastest times ever recorded!! That usually means you are fast!!
I wish they would do a tri relay of all the top athletes from each discipline.
I could get behind lots of these sports if they had some harder time limits and had 5-8 basic things that have to be included to make minimum requirements for judging. I saw the Japanese rider in freestyle BMX the guy made me look away from the TV a couple of times because he was scary good!! But surfing and skateboarding should have the time limit shortened so you have to go crazy fast to cover all the basics and then get artistic.. I know that everything can be measured so I am wondering who the demographic is for some of these events and are they watching..?
Sean Penn in his best Spicolli voice from Fast Times at Ridgemount High should do all the commentary!!
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But we still have US outlets publishing the medal tables in terms of "total medals won" so they can put the US at the top and pretend they aren't bossing the minor placings
Fear not, though, your time will come.
Don't worry, they have also made a very understandable graph that clearly explains their placing in the medal table as a function of how much higher you rank a gold than a silver and a silver than a bronze.
View: https://x.com/_ThomasHarvey_/status/1818497819142934609
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I especially like the bottom right part of the coordinate system where you rate gold and silver equally but silver 20 times above bronze.
I don't think too many people are in that place...
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Well, those who do are part of the Wout Van Aert zone. Maybe Wout does that?
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Okay, I know some people - like... you - make fun at me for being bad at math, but I definitely don't understand the math behind this...
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I think very many people would have trouble with this graph so I don't blame you.
Basically, the closer you are to the bottom left corner, the more you value all medals equally and the closer you are to the top right corner, the more you value the types of medals differently.
The US have not won that many golds yet but they have won the most medals overall, so if you rank all medals equally you are at the bottom left and the US can rank 1st because they have most medals overall. If you think golds are the only important measure, you are at the top of the coordinate system and in that case the US rank 6th (because five countries had (at the time of the construction of this graph) won more golds than the US - now they're down to 7th).
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It's some epic US press self-justification for why they've re-written the medal table to put themselves at the top despite not being near it on the actual medal table, by rewriting the value of each medal so that 1st to 3rd is an equal achievement and therefore they are the best.
Their position will change once the T&F gets underway and they start getting more golds, and then the US press' position on the graph will change and normalise, and they'll start using the regular medal table like every other country in the world.
It’s a ridiculous graph to be showing to the masses but actually kind of interesting if you spend some time on it.
I think your hate of the US is blinding you a bit. Despite being American I don’t remotely care who wins the medals competition but the US has 1 less gold than Australia but 14 more medals overall; 2 less golds than Japan but 16 more medals overall. I think it would be insane to rank those countries higher.
France and China, that’s much of a closer competition but where was China in the 10 events the US medaled in that they didn’t, and does 2 more golds justify being on the podium 5 less times for France? Do you rate Japan and France equally even though France has nearly twice as many medals but the same golds?
The NYT chart shows US in 1st place only in about a third of scenarios, in the others they’re in 2nd-6th. They could just go by medal count instead of the chart if they wanted to push the narrative you’re talking about rather than make a chart which mostly has them in 2-6th place.
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I don't hate the US. This is a fallacy that has arisen because of a few key athletes I dislike who I have been vocal about, and especially regards their media portrayal (in Jess Diggins' case, not even by the American media, but by British media personalities commentating for a British - and rebroadcast for an international - audience. If you dig into the XC skiing thread you'll find me cheerleading Sophia Laukli, for example, but that doesn't come up as often nor does it spark as much discussion as my more negative reactions to Diggins). I accept that the amount of races I've done in Latin America in the Race Design Thread has led to a lot of comments on US foreign policy in the region which has had an overwhelmingly negative bent, but that's because in all honesty US foreign policy in Latin America has deserved every bit of criticism that has come its way and more, and much of it is understandably whitewashed to the home audience just like other superpowers, colonists and imperial powers did in the past and continue to do in the present.
However, what I do view with wariness and have an overwhelming tendency to reject, is jingoism. Much of Europe has a fraught history with nationalism and a very terse relationship with it, and fear of its periodic sticking of its head above the parapet and the electoral success that it has leads excessive patriotism to be viewed with concern or even fear. This concern is not something that America can really relate to, but it does mean that much of the "USA! USA!" cheerleading and appeal to national symbols and obsession with the flag that has no real stigma in America is viewed by many as being vulgar or worthy of contempt. However, much of the time it is not American people (though admittedly sometimes it can be) propagating this stereotype, but the US media. While bias in favour of one's home athletes is to be expected, where this is to the detriment of the coverage of the overall event I will be critical, and have indeed slated the British commentary and the French TV direction for this already in this thread. It is by no means unique to the Americans, but this particular example of multiple US news sources rewriting the rules to favour themselves is a funny example of the US press' fragile egos and need to continually portray themselves as #1 to their readership/viewership/listenership. Like it's not enough for those news outlets to make sure that America isn't portrayed in a negative light, they have to make sure nobody else can be portrayed in a more positive light than America either.
The fact of the matter, however, is that the medal table as stipulated by the IOC is ranked based on the number of golds 1st, then the number of silvers, then the number of bronzes, and the total medal count is secondary to that as a tie break (which is why, yes, France are ahead of Japan). Every country that publishes a medal table is publishing based on these rules, except for multiple sources that have been provided, all of which are in one nation, which is changing the rules to put themselves at the top even though they'll probably be at the top legitimately by the end of the Games anyway. This is viewed with derision and ridiculed because it is a further example of the exceptionalism that is a large part of why both perceived and real anti-American sentiment is generated, and the fact that we now have people coming to the defence of this exceptionalism by creating a complex and entirely unnecessary mathematical explanation for why it's not ridiculous is having fun poked at it with good reason.
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Who knew there were rules on posting medal counts? Learn something useless every day.
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Who knew some light-hearted fun about the fragile egos of some big nations' press would be such a controversial take?
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