Paris - Roubaix 2021 (03.10)

[bNator]

Not at all. There actually are sometimes resentments towards Eastern Europeans, so, although when this is claimed as a reason in this forum it's usually non-sensical as well, I have to admit that is a thing. But that an Italian winner isn't liked because he's from Southern Europe... I suppose that's like claiming someone from California isn't liked because he's from the Southern parts of the USA.

That is unfortunately not true. There are prejudices all over Europe, south Europeans being one of the targets. There are words for insulting people from other countries or regions in almost any language and I’m sure you’ll find a couple of these for Italians in German language. I don’t believe it has anything to do with apparent dislike for SC, just to be clear but claiming there is no resentment of north towards south (or vice versa) is very idealistic way of looking at things…

 

[Rackham]

Tom Paquot: "I thought about stopping 30 times, but my head didn't want to. I rode 150km alone, 50 of which without a feed station. In the last 5 kilometers, I cried more than in the last 2 years of my life".

https://twitter.com/x/status/1444700022189215753

View: https://twitter.com/GaetanScherrer/status/1444700022189215753


It's just such a special race.

I don't mean to be that mean guy, but wow, he must have a sad life. I don't think I ever cried in my late teens & early 20's.

 

[Jagartrott]

You've never seen The Iron Giant? The Lion King? Froome riding a bike?

 

[Sciatic]

I don't mean to be that mean guy, but wow, he must have a sad life. I don't think I ever cried in my late teens & early 20's.

Pain will do that to you.

 

[BlueRoads]

I don't mean to be that mean guy, but wow, he must have a sad life. I don't think I ever cried in my late teens & early 20's.

I did quite often. And it was usually because of a guy.

 

[Scarponi]

Ehh, it's always been a part of it. Or maybe I'm still wondering why Cipollini got dragged through the mud for quitting the Tour de France to the extent that the organizers wouldn't invite him anymore, yet nobody cared when Robbie McEwan did that at the Giro repeatedly.


A lot of cycling press is French and British (especially the english speaking press), they've never liked Italians.

Australians have been racially abused on here for a decade plus LOL. Colombians / South Americans and Spanish get away with anything

 

[Volderke]

I don't mean to be that mean guy, but wow, he must have a sad life. I don't think I ever cried in my late teens & early 20's.

A simple dish with onions cut in small pieces will mostly do the trick!

 

[BlueRoads]

That is unfortunately not true. There are prejudices all over Europe, south Europeans being one of the targets. There are words for insulting people from other countries or regions in almost any language and I’m sure you’ll find a couple of these for Italians in German language. I don’t believe it has anything to do with apparent dislike for SC, just to be clear but claiming there is no resentment of north towards south (or vice versa) is very idealistic way of looking at things…

Sure there are prejudices in Germany... they are all around. Southern Germany looks down on northern Germany because they think their schools are better. The Saxons are laughed about because of their accent.
Then there are the older, more serious prejudices, against the Italian workers in the 70s for instance, who were "foreign". It was a time when people still weren't used to much migration or at least pretended to be, and everyone foreign was dubious. Still earlier the French were considered "artificial" and over the top with their language, their dresses, their parfum. And part of that is still around, a cliché. But it's in no way something serious anymore, nobody gets discriminated against or not liked today because they are Italian or French, unlike some other minorities or ethnia who really experience that.

 

[Gigs_98]

I don't mean to be that mean guy, but wow, he must have a sad life. I don't think I ever cried in my late teens & early 20's.

I too pity people with emotions

 

[Carrick-On-Seine]

That is unfortunately not true. There are prejudices all over Europe, south Europeans being one of the targets. There are words for insulting people from other countries or regions in almost any language and I’m sure you’ll find a couple of these for Italians in German language. I don’t believe it has anything to do with apparent dislike for SC, just to be clear but claiming there is no resentment of north towards south (or vice versa) is very idealistic way of looking at things…

And southern Europeans are also known to have deep prejudices.
Kinda funny how that comment emerged after all the stick Moscon was getting for his racist behaviour.

 

[Salvarani]

I don't mean to be that mean guy, but wow, he must have a sad life. I don't think I ever cried in my late teens & early 20's.

Huh? Such a weird thing to say.

I cried multiple times during those years. Over a break-up, over losing family members and friends. Plenty of stuff that you go through, as all people do.

Thats not a sad life. It is just life.

 

[Tricycle Rider]

Speaking as someone who lives in Northern California, we are prejudiced against Southern Californians.

Speaking as someone living in Oregon and prior to that in Washington State I can safely say we don't like any of you Californians.

 

[Rackham]

I did quite often. And it was usually because of a guy.

Me too. But I had to wait until my 30's, i.e. I haven't forgiven that b*stard Pogacar for La Planche des Belles Filles 2020 & I doubt I ever will. So it's true, guys can be really mean.

Huh? Such a weird thing to say.

I cried multiple times during those years. Over a break-up, over losing family members and friends. Plenty of stuff that you go through, as all people do.

Thats not a sad life. It is just life.

5km is actually quite a long distance & it was a very specific detail he gave regarding his crying, actually.

I mean we all have really sad moments we can pinpoint (various events including all the usual stuff & more), but to single out 2 years between 20 & 22... & then say he cried more in 5km than those 2 years. No, that doesn't seem totally ordinary.

I feel someone should pout an arm around this rider & ask some more questions.

 

[Salvarani]

5km is actually quite a long distance & it was a very specific detail he gave regarding his crying, actually.

I mean we all have really sad moments we can pinpoint (various events including all the usual stuff & more), but to single out 2 years between 20 & 22... & then say he cried more in 5km than those 2 years. No, that doesn't seem totally ordinary.

I feel someone should pout an arm around this rider & ask some more questions.

Haha I see more what you meant now, but I dont think he was literally saying that... more figuratively to describe what it was like to the interviewer perhaps. Maybe after he just finished. Im sure it was an emotional and exhausting experience today out there.

 

[Tricycle Rider]

Huh? Such a weird thing to say.

I cried multiple times during those years. Over a break-up, over losing family members and friends. Plenty of stuff that you go through, as all people do.

Thats not a sad life. It is just life.

Also, just to add to your post, once you get to be an elderly person there will be so much significant loss involved (friends, spouses, classmates, physical ability, or even just the ability to be able to drive or ride) that you won't even be able to know where to begin to cry first.

So, I would just say start practicing crying now while young because life is hard, and life takes no prisoners.

 

[Cookster15]

I don't mean to be that mean guy, but wow, he must have a sad life. I don't think I ever cried in my late teens & early 20's.

Maybe I don't get your point but perhaps you have never hurt yourself enough on a bike to understand, maybe just keep an open mind? If Paquot did cry then I am pretty sure it would have zero to do with if he had a sad life or not.

I haven't cried riding or racing but I have never done anything remotely like PR in the mud. So I think I understand enough to empathize and not think less of him. Everyone has a breaking point and I mean everyone. Most never see it simply because they never experience such physical adversity. Remember PR is a 6+ hour bike race.

 

[Velolover2]

While I'm more of a traditionalist when it comes to the route, I don't see any problems in mixing up the calendar based on the last two years.

All the monuments have been raced in the autumn at least once.

 

[Netserk]

All the monuments have been raced in the autumn at least once.

Milano - Sanremo hasn't.

 

[Velolover2]

Milano - Sanremo hasn't.

You are right. Let's try that next year!

 

[noob]

Isn't riding it in the fall making it more spectacular while at the same time it won't be a disaster getting injured as the season is over anyway?

 

[Red Rick]

I'm all for planning Roubaix in the same way as the Dutch headwind championships. You don't set a date until 3 days before when the weather is deemed sufficient and then you announce the race.

 

[Tricycle Rider]

Isn't riding it in the fall making it more spectacular while at the same time it won't be a disaster getting injured as the season is over anyway?

Are you saying nobody got hurt, or cared whether they got hurt, riding the Paris-Roubaix earlier today just because it was the end of the season?

 

[Skijumper Roglic fan]

Nice 10th place for hardman Heinrich Haussler.

These have been conditions he absolutely loves - although he probably preferred cooler temperatures...

 

[noob]

Are you saying nobody got hurt, or cared whether they got hurt, riding the Paris-Roubaix earlier today just because it was the end of the season?

Nope. I am suggesting a rider probably prefers taking risks in the end of the season rather than in the beginning of it?

I am still shocked it's even ridden tbh.

 

[RedheadDane]

Are you saying nobody got hurt, or cared whether they got hurt, riding the Paris-Roubaix earlier today just because it was the end of the season?

Mads Würtz was a bit concerned about the risk of having to wear a cast, or getting wounds in his face; he's getting married Saturday.

Hey, @noob. Why the sad face?