Paris-Roubaix 2025, one day monument, April 13 (men)

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Who will win?

  • Van der Poel

    Votes: 50 28.9%

  • Pogacar

    Votes: 34 19.7%

  • Van Aert

    Votes: 30 17.3%

  • Pedersen

    Votes: 31 17.9%

  • Ganna

    Votes: 10 5.8%

  • Philipsen

    Votes: 8 4.6%

  • Kung

    Votes: 1 0.6%

  • Stuyven

    Votes: 1 0.6%

  • Other/Vino

    Votes: 8 4.6%
  • Total voters
    173
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Red Rick said:
I think the thing that many don't understand here is if the riders is going 50 kph and the bottle is inert, it's a lot different than being stationary and being hit in the race with a bottle at 50 kph.
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Negation missing?
 
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You can't 'attempt manslaughter'.

It's not possible. Contradictory by definition
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It's doing something without proof of premeditation that's considered dangerous enough that it could kill you. It's not self contradictory.

That said, when a pro athlete with says it without any nuance you can just dismiss it altogether and assault is probably the most you can claim.
 
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voluntary manslaughter: spur of the moment killings where the perpetrator intended to cause death or harm
Involuntary manslaughter: when the death is caused by negligence or recklessness without the intent to kill

Conclusion: Lock him up and throw away the key
 
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Looks like roughly 50-60 riders DNF'd, including some significant names like Mohoric, Kristoff, Swift, etc. Would be interesting to know what all the stories were. Obviously there were crashes, but how many were from mechanicals, how many from physical problems. Just curious, since it's not like there's a finishing circuit where racers who are out of it with a lap to go bail out. That's a lot of sag wagons! I guess there are some shortcuts to ride to Roubaix or the team bus toward the end. Also 5 OTLs, which seems like a shame in this race. And Lazkano the final finisher at 28 minutes.

ed I just read Chasing Potatoes post a few pages back that details a lot of the DNFs. Thanks for that!
 
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ChasingPotatoes said:
Paris Roubaix was carnage, literally.
Such a shame for all those who e.g. broke bones and are out, sometimes for months, while being in top shape.

  • Julius van den Berg, Ayco Bastiaens, Manlio Moro = broken collarbone
  • Silvan Dilier broke his right hand
  • Ballerini broke his wrist in multiple places
  • Edward Theuns to hospital with a neckbrace
  • Mathias Vacek fell on his head, concussion protocol applied but finished the race.
  • Politt, Mohoric, Stuyven, Segaert, van Aert, Behrens, Simmons, Scotson, Kubis, Philipsen and Stockman (and some others I don't remember / weren't noticed by the press or race radio) crashed but finished.
  • Kristoff crashed and didn't finish, in his (probably) last Roubaix. No further info.
  • Kung fell on his face and was bleeding, but finished the race.
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Politt and Mohoric were DNFs
 
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Looks like roughly 50-60 riders DNF'd, including some significant names like Mohoric, Kristoff, Swift, etc. Would be interesting to know what all the stories were. Obviously there were crashes, but how many were from mechanicals, how many from physical problems. Just curious, since it's not like there's a finishing circuit where racers who are out of it with a lap to go bail out. That's a lot of sag wagons! I guess there are some shortcuts to ride to Roubaix or the team bus toward the end. Also 5 OTLs, which seems like a shame in this race. And Lazkano the final finisher at 28 minutes.

ed I just read Chasing Potatoes post a few pages back that details a lot of the DNFs. Thanks for that!
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We hear every year about the last OTL finishers who roll in as they're already taking down barriers, like Joe Pidcock this year. Do some riders who are on pace to come in OTL just hop into a team car at some point with 50 km to go?
 
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Looks like roughly 50-60 riders DNF'd, including some significant names like Mohoric, Kristoff, Swift, etc. Would be interesting to know what all the stories were. Obviously there were crashes, but how many were from mechanicals, how many from physical problems.
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Kristoff hit his head in a crash, climbed up on his bike and rode the wrong direction until he met the next group and realized he probably should ride the same way as the others. He abandoned quickly after, because of the risk of a concussion.
 
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topcat said:
voluntary manslaughter: spur of the moment killings where the perpetrator intended to cause death or harm
Involuntary manslaughter: when the death is caused by negligence or recklessness without the intent to kill

Conclusion: Lock him up and throw away the key
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Perhaps a bruise, but likely not even that much. Back to PHYSICS. Someone could toss a bottle at him while he is sitting still and the bottle is traveling at least as fast in that scenario when it's making impact.

If you're going for attempted manslaughter, soft plastic + water is not the way to go. They have a stronger case of negligence in methodology against the fella.
 
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Perhaps a bruise, but likely not even that much. Back to PHYSICS. Someone could toss a bottle at him while he is sitting still and the bottle is traveling at least as fast in that scenario when it's making impact.

If you're going for attempted manslaughter, soft plastic + water is not the way to go. They have a stronger case of negligence in methodology against the fella.
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Newton's third law of motion. Think of forces as vectors. The combined force is the sum of the two forces.
I hope nobody finds this offensive.
 
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jono said:
We hear every year about the last OTL finishers who roll in as they're already taking down barriers, like Joe Pidcock this year. Do some riders who are on pace to come in OTL just hop into a team car at some point with 50 km to go?
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It's one of the few races where the riders talk about even missing the cut is still worth finishing
 
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topcat said:
voluntary manslaughter: spur of the moment killings where the perpetrator intended to cause death or harm
Involuntary manslaughter: when the death is caused by negligence or recklessness without the intent to kill

Conclusion: Lock him up and throw away the key
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In the UK at least, there's no such thing as 'attempted manslaughter'. That's just a type of assault. There was no physical harm here, really, so what degree of assault then depends on the intent of the defendant.

I don't know French law but in England this would likely just be a battery charge, unless you can somehow prove that the guy who threw it definitely intended to cause actual or grevious bodily harm to Van der Poel, which I doubt. I imagine France is similar in that to be charged with 'attempting' you need to show intent, not just recklessness, as it isn't a 'completed' crime.
 
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Red Rick said:
It's doing something without proof of premeditation that's considered dangerous enough that it could kill you. It's not self contradictory.

That said, when a pro athlete with says it without any nuance you can just dismiss it altogether and assault is probably the most you can claim.
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In some jurisdictions it is considered a contradiction. Usually to 'attempt' a crime you need actual intent to commit the crime, and manslaughter (i.e. murder without intent to kill) by definition lacks that intent. From what I know this is the case in the Netherlands.
 
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jono said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1911458214136209680
View: https://x.com/AnthonyBa5/status/1911458214136209680


MVDP didn't judge the corner much better than Pog but has better instincts for these moments. Pogacar locked up his rear wheel at the apex of the turn giving himself no chance, MVDP kept rolling and made the turn. Both entered the corner at basically the same speed.
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Hmm, Actually it looked like entering the corner MVDP had already taken a more inside line (as he usually does compared to other riders. Amazing that the person who filmed it happens to be at that exact spot and caught the whole sequence.
 
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Newton's third law of motion. Think of forces as vectors. The combined force is the sum of the two forces.
I hope nobody finds this offensive.
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Sure. But the bottle is traveling perpendicular to the motion of the impacted item. So the bottle is traveling at net zero or suspended
 
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Eddy Evenepoel said:
Kristoff hit his head in a crash, climbed up on his bike and rode the wrong direction until he met the next group and realized he probably should ride the same way as the others. He abandoned quickly after, because of the risk of a concussion.
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Oh my gosh! Good thing there was another group coming up behind him so he didn’t end up back at the start! ;)
 
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