Paris-Roubaix 2025, one day monument, April 13 (men)

[scribers]

Manslaughter = the crime of killing someone unintentionally or without having planned to do it.
*Earlier post not entirely serious

You can't 'attempt manslaughter'.

It's not possible. Contradictory by definition

 

[Netserk]

I think the thing that many don't understand here is if the riders is going 50 kph and the bottle is inert, it's a lot different than being stationary and being hit in the race with a bottle at 50 kph.

Negation missing?

 

[Red Rick]

You can't 'attempt manslaughter'.

It's not possible. Contradictory by definition

It's doing something without proof of premeditation that's considered dangerous enough that it could kill you. It's not self contradictory.

That said, when a pro athlete with says it without any nuance you can just dismiss it altogether and assault is probably the most you can claim.

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

I'd accord MvdP some latitude in the comments. He's been spit on and had stuff thrown at him before. He had both a bottle and some sort of liquid thrown at him in P-R. Having to deal with idiots while at the limits of physical exertion (not to mention the mental effort) requires superhuman restraint.

 

[Red Rick]

Negation missing?

shoulda been hit in the face rather than hit in the race.

 

[topcat]

voluntary manslaughter: spur of the moment killings where the perpetrator intended to cause death or harm
Involuntary manslaughter: when the death is caused by negligence or recklessness without the intent to kill

Conclusion: Lock him up and throw away the key

 

[Sciatic]

Looks like roughly 50-60 riders DNF'd, including some significant names like Mohoric, Kristoff, Swift, etc. Would be interesting to know what all the stories were. Obviously there were crashes, but how many were from mechanicals, how many from physical problems. Just curious, since it's not like there's a finishing circuit where racers who are out of it with a lap to go bail out. That's a lot of sag wagons! I guess there are some shortcuts to ride to Roubaix or the team bus toward the end. Also 5 OTLs, which seems like a shame in this race. And Lazkano the final finisher at 28 minutes.

ed I just read Chasing Potatoes post a few pages back that details a lot of the DNFs. Thanks for that!

 

[ice&fire]

Negation missing?

Understanding of relativity missing!

 

[Sciatic]

Paris Roubaix was carnage, literally.
Such a shame for all those who e.g. broke bones and are out, sometimes for months, while being in top shape.

• Julius van den Berg, Ayco Bastiaens, Manlio Moro = broken collarbone
• Silvan Dilier broke his right hand
• Ballerini broke his wrist in multiple places
• Edward Theuns to hospital with a neckbrace
• Mathias Vacek fell on his head, concussion protocol applied but finished the race.
• Politt, Mohoric, Stuyven, Segaert, van Aert, Behrens, Simmons, Scotson, Kubis, Philipsen and Stockman (and some others I don't remember / weren't noticed by the press or race radio) crashed but finished.
• Kristoff crashed and didn't finish, in his (probably) last Roubaix. No further info.
• Kung fell on his face and was bleeding, but finished the race.

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Politt and Mohoric were DNFs

 

[Froome]

MVP going on about manslaughter is just drama-queen material

He already manslaughtered the field yesterday.

 

[jono]

Looks like roughly 50-60 riders DNF'd, including some significant names like Mohoric, Kristoff, Swift, etc. Would be interesting to know what all the stories were. Obviously there were crashes, but how many were from mechanicals, how many from physical problems. Just curious, since it's not like there's a finishing circuit where racers who are out of it with a lap to go bail out. That's a lot of sag wagons! I guess there are some shortcuts to ride to Roubaix or the team bus toward the end. Also 5 OTLs, which seems like a shame in this race. And Lazkano the final finisher at 28 minutes.

ed I just read Chasing Potatoes post a few pages back that details a lot of the DNFs. Thanks for that!

We hear every year about the last OTL finishers who roll in as they're already taking down barriers, like Joe Pidcock this year. Do some riders who are on pace to come in OTL just hop into a team car at some point with 50 km to go?

 

[SHAD0W93]

He already manslaughtered the field yesterday.

Nah, that was 173 counts of 1st degree and 1 assisted.

 

[jono]

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MVDP didn't judge the corner much better than Pog but has better instincts for these moments. Pogacar locked up his rear wheel at the apex of the turn giving himself no chance, MVDP kept rolling and made the turn. Both entered the corner at basically the same speed.

 

[Eddy Evenepoel]

Looks like roughly 50-60 riders DNF'd, including some significant names like Mohoric, Kristoff, Swift, etc. Would be interesting to know what all the stories were. Obviously there were crashes, but how many were from mechanicals, how many from physical problems.

Kristoff hit his head in a crash, climbed up on his bike and rode the wrong direction until he met the next group and realized he probably should ride the same way as the others. He abandoned quickly after, because of the risk of a concussion.

 

[scribers]

voluntary manslaughter: spur of the moment killings where the perpetrator intended to cause death or harm
Involuntary manslaughter: when the death is caused by negligence or recklessness without the intent to kill

Conclusion: Lock him up and throw away the key

Perhaps a bruise, but likely not even that much. Back to PHYSICS. Someone could toss a bottle at him while he is sitting still and the bottle is traveling at least as fast in that scenario when it's making impact.

If you're going for attempted manslaughter, soft plastic + water is not the way to go. They have a stronger case of negligence in methodology against the fella.

 

[topcat]

Perhaps a bruise, but likely not even that much. Back to PHYSICS. Someone could toss a bottle at him while he is sitting still and the bottle is traveling at least as fast in that scenario when it's making impact.

If you're going for attempted manslaughter, soft plastic + water is not the way to go. They have a stronger case of negligence in methodology against the fella.

Newton's third law of motion. Think of forces as vectors. The combined force is the sum of the two forces.
I hope nobody finds this offensive.

 

[Netserk]

Back to PHYSICS.

Inertial frame of reference - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Peyroteo94]

Hell of the North for a reason!

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[Izzyeviel]

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MVDP didn't judge the corner much better than Pog but has better instincts for these moments. Pogacar locked up his rear wheel at the apex of the turn giving himself no chance, MVDP kept rolling and made the turn. Both entered the corner at basically the same speed.

Both misjudged it. One crashed, the other went wide, very wide.

 

[will-10]

We hear every year about the last OTL finishers who roll in as they're already taking down barriers, like Joe Pidcock this year. Do some riders who are on pace to come in OTL just hop into a team car at some point with 50 km to go?

It's one of the few races where the riders talk about even missing the cut is still worth finishing

 

[Brullnux]

voluntary manslaughter: spur of the moment killings where the perpetrator intended to cause death or harm
Involuntary manslaughter: when the death is caused by negligence or recklessness without the intent to kill

Conclusion: Lock him up and throw away the key

In the UK at least, there's no such thing as 'attempted manslaughter'. That's just a type of assault. There was no physical harm here, really, so what degree of assault then depends on the intent of the defendant.

I don't know French law but in England this would likely just be a battery charge, unless you can somehow prove that the guy who threw it definitely intended to cause actual or grevious bodily harm to Van der Poel, which I doubt. I imagine France is similar in that to be charged with 'attempting' you need to show intent, not just recklessness, as it isn't a 'completed' crime.

 

[Brullnux]

It's doing something without proof of premeditation that's considered dangerous enough that it could kill you. It's not self contradictory.

That said, when a pro athlete with says it without any nuance you can just dismiss it altogether and assault is probably the most you can claim.

In some jurisdictions it is considered a contradiction. Usually to 'attempt' a crime you need actual intent to commit the crime, and manslaughter (i.e. murder without intent to kill) by definition lacks that intent. From what I know this is the case in the Netherlands.

 

[Sciatic]

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MVDP didn't judge the corner much better than Pog but has better instincts for these moments. Pogacar locked up his rear wheel at the apex of the turn giving himself no chance, MVDP kept rolling and made the turn. Both entered the corner at basically the same speed.

Hmm, Actually it looked like entering the corner MVDP had already taken a more inside line (as he usually does compared to other riders. Amazing that the person who filmed it happens to be at that exact spot and caught the whole sequence.

 

[scribers]

Newton's third law of motion. Think of forces as vectors. The combined force is the sum of the two forces.
I hope nobody finds this offensive.

Sure. But the bottle is traveling perpendicular to the motion of the impacted item. So the bottle is traveling at net zero or suspended

 

[Sciatic]

Kristoff hit his head in a crash, climbed up on his bike and rode the wrong direction until he met the next group and realized he probably should ride the same way as the others. He abandoned quickly after, because of the risk of a concussion.

Oh my gosh! Good thing there was another group coming up behind him so he didn’t end up back at the start!