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It was sabotage by some other UAE rider.
There is a difference between getting the draft from a team car and going 70K/hr back to the peloton, and sitting behind the team car that is in a convoy of cars, behind the peloton. If you're sitting in between cars, you're not doing anything wrong. If you're doing a Zingle / Nils Eekhoff (Glasgow WC) move, you should be DSQ. As far as I could see, the Visma train in MSR was behind their team car, but that team car was in a convoy of team cars. I could be wrong though.I found this quote from Bjerg very curious but somewhat enlightning:
Ok this is like a first. An UAE rider complains that they are disadvantaged. I don't doubt his feelings though. I guess he means it is because the cameras are on Pogi all the time, that UAE can't do a "Plugge" or get a car pull for an extended period of time. Like how in Mailand San Remo Visma was taxiing Wout and friends with 70km/h back to the peloton. You could see that in short cut during the transmission.
if he is allowed to wheelsuck, he must wheel suck, it is and advantage in cycling and that is how you win races. There are rules, and start point, a finish lije, you have to get the finish line first, It was Pogacar who passed firt coccle sections, and after that, look at van aert to pull, so it is Pogacar blame.Van aert always collaborate, as Pogacar recognized, except a moment before carrefour, where laporte was close and no pulling and the car get Van aert and order him to stop pulling. That was just about 5 km..no more, and maybe van aeet was pulling about 40 %, maybe 35% overall, biut last 2 km it was pogacar who was in the front andwanted to get first on the velodrome..it is his blame.I‘ve seen one or two people complain about Van Aert wheelsucking or something or not riding like a champion. From what I saw he did ~40% of the work with Pogačar(at least on the asphalt, since Pogačar was trying to attack him often on the cobbles). I think he didn‘t do much less than Van der Poel in Flanders who did that to ‚Ride to win‘. Yes, Wout didn‘t come through the last two kilometers (because he didn‘t need to), but he definitely didn‘t just sit on Pogačar‘s wheel and get towed all the way to the velodrome.
You really seem to try hard to stretch it. From what I saw, the pulling was around 40% WvA en 60% Pog.While it's true this media is trumpeting the fastest PR ever by Wout and....er Tadej they conveniently miss the big point.
Without Tadej pulling for 60km and Wout passing him in the last 400m; none of it happens except Tadej winning. Wout should and may self reflect on the concept of beating that particular WCRR guy. He hasn't accomplished it in a WCRR and likely guaranteed not to between Pogacar and Mathieu. Both of them seem directly congratulatory of others winning a well-fought race. There is a difference between winning a race and beating a fellow competitor. Hopefully Wout expressed that feeling in the exuberant moment in Roubaix where the brain fog and fatigue rule.
And Pogacar has as well the option to stop, but he didnt ask WVA for more pulls, as it happends at San RemoYou really seem to try hard to stretch it. From what I saw, the pulling was around 40% WvA en 60% Pog.
And the main culprit was Pog: he tried 4 times to drop WvA: on Bersee (just after WvA's attack), Mons-en-Pevele, the uphill after Mons-en-Pevele and Carrefour. He also tried to put pressure on e.g. Pont-Thibault (the famous right/left hander chicane kind of secteur where he crashed in 2025).
You cannot expect a rider, that's committed to go to the velodrome with you, to immediately pull through after you tried to drop him. If you want 50/50, don't attack the other rider. Simple as that.
But besides these events, WvA didn't scare away from continuing to pull with Pog and in those kilometers the pulling at the front was fairly even. WvA pulled most (if not all) of e.g. Cysoing a Bourghelles and Bourghelles a Wannehain.
There were good reasons he wasn't pulling all the time on all the cobbles: Pog knew he had to drop WvA so he tried to attack on the cobbles. In order not to be surprised, WvA allowed Pog in front in order to keep a close eye on him. I reckon WvA had the legs to attack Pog on the last couple of secteurs but was just confident in his sprint. And in the end, Pog was cooked. He was happy to have WvA pulling with him and keeping the chasers behind. If not, he wouldn't have made the podium.
pogi doesnt respect rogla
evenepoel doesnt respect vingegaard
both are onesided
It's a mentality that seems to set in once you are with the dominant team of the moment. Politt has it too, and in the past Sky/Postal/Visma have all shown it. It's like they lose any other perspective the moment they become #1Really not a good look for him...
Mads and Wout had literally just punctured as well without them waiting.
Can you provide the sources you are asking in others threads?pogi doesnt respect rogla
evenepoel doesnt respect vingegaard
both are onesided
Do you mean the moment when he told Remco not to be afraid of Roglic?
I don't recall any incidents regarding the duo.
i cracked up watching this!
There's simply a limit on what Pog can achieve in a flat race with his all-in / long-solo riding style, and he hit the wall twice in Roubaix. People can argue other riders aren't as crazy as he is, but why should they be?
And some races are won by a tiny bit of tactics (and luck and no mechanicals and crashes etc) next to raw power/kg. If every race should be won with power/kg, we would have borefests like Flanders, LBL and Lombardia have become in the Pog era.
But luckily we have 'easy' Monuments like MSR and flat ones like Roubaix, as those are at the limit of what Pog can win and those are the monuments he won't easily win / dominate. And those are the most exciting to watch.
Pog simply has to come up with a different tactical plan or at least some more flexibility because he won't win Roubaix like this easily, even though he would always be very close.
True. And though the rain never seems to happen for Roubaix, if there was a rainy edition in the next few years I think that makes it even more disadvantageous for Pogacar. Not because he doesn't ride well in the rain. But in each of the last two edition he went off the road in near disastrous fashion trying to follow MVDP (last year) and Van Aert (this year, and I don't mean his slip on the muddy cobbles coming out of the corner). This Sunday he stayed upright but either one of those could have completely ended his race. Or perhaps it would just makes the race more random for all of them, which still works against the strongest winning.
What does 'stronger' actually mean? People use it as a throwaway comment without actually knowing what it means.Was tadej the strongest? I mean he's stronger than WVA & MVDP on most terrain. But on flat roads and cobbles?
Equal maybe, but clear strongest? Not sure. I think MVDP was the strongest. With Pogacar second and WVA right after him, but close enough that he would not get dropped on flat terrain.
I have specifically endorsed Wout's tactics. The point of a race is to win it; not get the highest honorary "tryer" award. The main point being Tadej's presence at the front kept the pressure on chasers, one of which was Wout's teammate. How does anyone think this race would turn out if Tadej suddenly crashed or quit pulling at 50km from the finish? Wout's finish doesn't happen with Pogacar's effort; however compromised that might have been.You really seem to try hard to stretch it. From what I saw, the pulling was around 40% WvA en 60% Pog.
And the main culprit was Pog: he tried 4 times to drop WvA: on Bersee (just after WvA's attack), Mons-en-Pevele, the uphill after Mons-en-Pevele and Carrefour. He also tried to put pressure on e.g. Pont-Thibault (the famous right/left hander chicane kind of secteur where he crashed in 2025).
You cannot expect a rider, that's committed to go to the velodrome with you, to immediately pull through after you tried to drop him. If you want 50/50, don't attack the other rider. Simple as that.
But besides these events, WvA didn't scare away from continuing to pull with Pog and in those kilometers the pulling at the front was fairly even. WvA pulled most (if not all) of e.g. Cysoing a Bourghelles and Bourghelles a Wannehain.
There were good reasons he wasn't pulling all the time on all the cobbles: Pog knew he had to drop WvA so he tried to attack on the cobbles. In order not to be surprised, WvA allowed Pog in front in order to keep a close eye on him. I reckon WvA had the legs to attack Pog on the last couple of secteurs but was just confident in his sprint. And in the end, Pog was cooked. He was happy to have WvA pulling with him and keeping the chasers behind. If not, he wouldn't have made the podium.
I wonder if anyone wore old school tubulars and how they fared? The focus seems squarely on the wheels and tire clearance for the fattest. The tire choice to go wider definitely makes the ride more comfy. Is the rigidity of the wheels contributing to pinch failures or bead disconnections?A major miss by Alpecin. Roodhoft assumed full responsibility. There will be many lessons learned from this year.
Better tires
Smarter team tactics
Standardized equipment
Better line choices
I believe Alpecin has been spoiled with the skills of MVDP but even he cannot avoid every risk in a race.
The compromise to ride a slower but more resistant tire seems obvious
Pogavacar has never face Remco at Liege os similar percours races with boyh at a good level. He has attacked from far necouse he didnt have a real contender or behind him didnt collaborate properly. But if he is ar Lieje alone and close to him are Remco and Seixas I am sure they will cacthed him. and later everythjing could happenThere's simply a limit on what Pog can achieve in a flat race with his all-in / long-solo riding style, and he hit the wall twice in Roubaix. People can argue other riders aren't as crazy as he is, but why should they be?
And some races are won by a tiny bit of tactics (and luck and no mechanicals and crashes etc) next to raw power/kg. If every race should be won with power/kg, we would have borefests like Flanders, LBL and Lombardia have become in the Pog era.
But luckily we have 'easy' Monuments like MSR and flat ones like Roubaix, as those are at the limit of what Pog can win and those are the monuments he won't easily win / dominate. And those are the most exciting to watch.
Pog simply has to come up with a different tactical plan or at least some more flexibility because he won't win Roubaix like this easily, even though he would always be very close.
