Paris-Roubaix Femmes 2023, one day monument, April 8 (women's)

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Christina Schweinberger looked really good on the cobbles. If she had her twin sister's sprint she should have driven the chase more, but given the fact that some teams had numbers and fasterriders it wasn't up to here.
 
Ty. It would be far better if clean tarmac section of 60k's was like 20 k's and the rest same as it is. That would spike things up much more. :neutral:
Women make better long endurance athletes than men. The longer the race, the more competitive women are against anyone. The reason that women's distances are still shorter, is due to outdated thinking by organizers, etc. There is no reason to shorten women's races.
 
After she beat Kiesenhofer twice in the NC last year she's continued to impress me this season.
The Schweinberger twins are also farmgirls who help their father with fieldwork in the mountains whenever they have time, that's another plus in my book.
Christina is the allrounder/strong rouleur while her sister is the sprinter (her tights are twice as big, you already know by just looking at them)
 
Roubaix is such a unique race that the bunch is still in the process of learning how to race it I think. Like I said last week, Ronde has historically in the women's péloton had a more varied type of rider involved than on the men's side, because the shorter distance makes the climbs account for more of the race plus the fewer numbers of major climbing races means less specialisation and therefore you see people like Niewiadoma or Moolman-Pasio being threats in it in ways that their equivalent types would not be in the men's péloton. But in Roubaix, that's just not the case. Those riders (plus the likes of Uttrup and Vollering) tend to make their moves on the climbs, which is simply not an option in Roubaix. But there really aren't any established races on the calendar that could be used to give an idea of racing Roubaix the way there would be for almost any other possible race on the calendar. It's a large part of why Roubaix is so revered, in fact; it's totally unique.

Like, look at the other monuments on the men's calendar. There are literally dozens of flat to rolling one-day races that give a good chance of ending in a sprint like San Remo - it's uniqueness factor is created by the 300km length. Ronde uses the same roads as countless other classics, with the exception of the Koppenberg that is kept sacred. Elsewise, only its reputation and importance would separate it from E3, Omloop and other classics that use the same area. Liège? There are other races just like Liège, in fact it's the culmination of a week of them. And Lombardia? Well, perhaps a bit more different and its position in the autumn makes it a bit more standout, but there are other climbers' one-day races, besides there are stages of stage races that use those roads or have similar profiles. Roubaix is totally unique.

But the thing is, the men's bunch has been racing Roubaix for over a century. The women have raced it three times. They're still in the process of learning what riders are best suited to it, as the péloton is still in the process of developing specialisations due to the rapid development of the women's side of the sport in recent years. Here you had an interesting situation develop that we see in a lot of big one day races where the biggest defining factor was going to be who threw it away. The break was big enough that there were enough riders who thought they could hide their shirking their turns to be fresh for the sprint, but that entailed slowing down enough to let the bunch come back even after the crash; and then you had the bunch being close enough to the break to feel the catch was inevitable, but nobody wanted to jeopardise their final sprint by doing that last bit of work and they never actually made that sprint. Which is kind of like the group chasing Alaphilippe in Imola a couple of years ago.

It rather felt like the 2014 women's Ponferrada lead group, lacking momentum (only made up of riders for whom this could be a career day, rather than established superstars), but being chased by the 2014 men's Ponferrada lead group with too many hangers-on and nobody wanting to take the initiative. Thankfully, the run-in was a bit like a re-run of 2012 Milano-Sanremo but if Cancellara actually won this time; the one rider who showed the initiative to keep the break's chance of victory alive even if at cost to her own chances turned out to be the strongest anyway, leaving us with the most deserving rider being the one that won, no matter how unexpected it might have been that she be in that position.
 
Several there also hit the deck pretty hard, and though Kopecky won the field sprint, that clearly took some of the punch out of that group, as everyone who went down in that crash, appeard to eat the pave pretty strongly.

true, Im not saying it didnt have an impact on some of those riders, but the crashed group looked to have the power still to reel the front group in especially as the front group were struggling to organise themselves properly to stay away, but once the crashed group got within striking distance, theyre suddenly watching each other and the kms tick down and saving themselves for the velodrome.

there was a bit 6.5k to go the crash group have been within 8-10secs for a few kms now look about to make the junction and the crash group are suddenly 4-5 riders width across the road, all looking at each other, not wanting to lead it out, and chasing down any attacks from their group, so within 1.5km the gap has doubled, and though the crash group get back to with 10secs, 12 by the finish, they carried on riding in that manner till the line.

but thats why I want to hear what some of the riders in that group say, because its a cliche about ifs and buts in races like that, but Im expecting some of them to absolutely say they still had the legs to have played a part in that sprint but there were too many riders in the crash group expecting to be gifted the chance which harmed all their chances.

doesnt take anything away from Jacksons win, who rode the race as near tactically perfect as you can I think.
 
post race comments from Pfeiffer Georgi "I felt really good personally but then we had a big crash and that kind of disrupted the chase a bit. I feel like there was a lot more possible today but that’s the way it played out in the end so for now I’m a bit disappointed to be honest "
 
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true, Im not saying it didnt have an impact on some of those riders, but the crashed group looked to have the power still to reel the front group in especially as the front group were struggling to organise themselves properly to stay away, but once the crashed group got within striking distance, theyre suddenly watching each other and the kms tick down and saving themselves for the velodrome.

there was a bit 6.5k to go the crash group have been within 8-10secs for a few kms now look about to make the junction and the crash group are suddenly 4-5 riders width across the road, all looking at each other, not wanting to lead it out, and chasing down any attacks from their group, so within 1.5km the gap has doubled, and though the crash group get back to with 10secs, 12 by the finish, they carried on riding in that manner till the line.

but thats why I want to hear what some of the riders in that group say, because its a cliche about ifs and buts in races like that, but Im expecting some of them to absolutely say they still had the legs to have played a part in that sprint but there were too many riders in the crash group expecting to be gifted the chance which harmed all their chances.

doesnt take anything away from Jacksons win, who rode the race as near tactically perfect as you can I think.
The crash changed so much, but wow, what a race. That's Roubaix, you never know what you're going to get and today for me anyway was just as exciting as Flanders men last week. What a treat. Vos having to spend so much energy early obviously also a huge impact; what Jumbo was doing leaving her alone like that for so long I don't know. Thought briefly they were going to come together but no one of the chasers willing or able to take the reins the way Jackson did with the lead group... watching Alison at the front hammering, trying to get every one to work, she really wanted that one and what a deserved, satisfying victory it was. She rocked the hat and l loved her victory interview; she seems pretty cool, what a win for her and her team.

Chapeau to Vos for getting back into it; that was a massive effort from her on what I'm sure was a disappointing day. A champions ride into the top 10.

And we still have tomorrow to come!
 
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That was a very enjoyable race with a well deserved winner in Jackson. Was a big lead to give that group, though only Jackson, Borras and Lach were working at the end though Truyen did a few pulls. I am still left scratching my head at the tactics in women's cycling and I say that as someone who has been following it a few years now, today it was baffling again, but enjoyable.I guess at least SD Worx or Trek didn't win again.

Hope Sanne Cant is OK, that was a nasty crash.
 
Chiara Consonni is in the favourites group man I am so happy about that. Gooooooooooooooo
Been supporting for her the last years. Wednesday she waved back in Scheldeprijs after the podium ceremony. Lovely personality! Just watched the race and she was always with the strongest, looked really comfortable on the cobbles. Could've been another podium this week if they catched the breakaway. But also happy for a top 10, she's coming back for more in Roubaix!
 
Roubaix is such a unique race that the bunch is still in the process of learning how to race it I think. Like I said last week, Ronde has historically in the women's péloton had a more varied type of rider involved than on the men's side, because the shorter distance makes the climbs account for more of the race plus the fewer numbers of major climbing races means less specialisation and therefore you see people like Niewiadoma or Moolman-Pasio being threats in it in ways that their equivalent types would not be in the men's péloton. But in Roubaix, that's just not the case. Those riders (plus the likes of Uttrup and Vollering) tend to make their moves on the climbs, which is simply not an option in Roubaix. But there really aren't any established races on the calendar that could be used to give an idea of racing Roubaix the way there would be for almost any other possible race on the calendar. It's a large part of why Roubaix is so revered, in fact; it's totally unique.

Like, look at the other monuments on the men's calendar. There are literally dozens of flat to rolling one-day races that give a good chance of ending in a sprint like San Remo - it's uniqueness factor is created by the 300km length. Ronde uses the same roads as countless other classics, with the exception of the Koppenberg that is kept sacred. Elsewise, only its reputation and importance would separate it from E3, Omloop and other classics that use the same area. Liège? There are other races just like Liège, in fact it's the culmination of a week of them. And Lombardia? Well, perhaps a bit more different and its position in the autumn makes it a bit more standout, but there are other climbers' one-day races, besides there are stages of stage races that use those roads or have similar profiles. Roubaix is totally unique.

But the thing is, the men's bunch has been racing Roubaix for over a century. The women have raced it three times. They're still in the process of learning what riders are best suited to it, as the péloton is still in the process of developing specialisations due to the rapid development of the women's side of the sport in recent years. Here you had an interesting situation develop that we see in a lot of big one day races where the biggest defining factor was going to be who threw it away. The break was big enough that there were enough riders who thought they could hide their shirking their turns to be fresh for the sprint, but that entailed slowing down enough to let the bunch come back even after the crash; and then you had the bunch being close enough to the break to feel the catch was inevitable, but nobody wanted to jeopardise their final sprint by doing that last bit of work and they never actually made that sprint. Which is kind of like the group chasing Alaphilippe in Imola a couple of years ago.

It rather felt like the 2014 women's Ponferrada lead group, lacking momentum (only made up of riders for whom this could be a career day, rather than established superstars), but being chased by the 2014 men's Ponferrada lead group with too many hangers-on and nobody wanting to take the initiative. Thankfully, the run-in was a bit like a re-run of 2012 Milano-Sanremo but if Cancellara actually won this time; the one rider who showed the initiative to keep the break's chance of victory alive even if at cost to her own chances turned out to be the strongest anyway, leaving us with the most deserving rider being the one that won, no matter how unexpected it might have been that she be in that position.
While the women's peloton is in an obviously different stage of specialization, I do think that there's plenty of things that can be learned from the men's Roubaix that appears to not have been applied that well in that you can't just give a breakaway a huge load of time.

I also feel that the men's Roubaix is basically the ultimate race of attrition and that doesn't translate as well to the womens race when it's only 145km.

I do really like that this race is on the Saturday before the men's race. That's pretty much perfect.
 
I suppose it depends on your conversion rate between how you value men's and women's results, but this is definitely in the running for the biggest Canadian road cycling result ever.

Or in one-days, at least, if you want to set aside Hesjedal's Giro win (which you might want to set aside anyway for other reasons_.
It's hard to rate Hesjedal's 2012 Giro win because it was the 2012 Giro, quite apart from anything else you might want to set it aside because of that probably can't be discussed here.
 
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That was a very enjoyable race with a well deserved winner in Jackson. Was a big lead to give that group, though only Jackson, Borras and Lach were working at the end though Truyen did a few pulls. I am still left scratching my head at the tactics in women's cycling and I say that as someone who has been following it a few years now, today it was baffling again, but enjoyable.I guess at least SD Worx or Trek didn't win again.

Hope Sanne Cant is OK, that was a nasty crash.
Don't you also frequently find yourself doing that when watching the men?