Paris-Roubaix Femmes 2023, one day monument, April 8 (women's)

[Lequack]

Lanterne Rouge

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHeIn5_6fW0

 

[pmcg76]

Don't you also frequently find yourself doing that when watching the men?

Whilst there is definitely weird tactics in mens racing at times, it doesnt seem as frequent as in the womens races. Both last week in Flanders and today, the leaders were in easy catching distance and the chase group mucked around both time. At Binda, they just let Van Anrooj ride away and then mucked around behind, though she was super strong. I just think there is more looking at each other in chase groups in women's racing.

 

[Didinho]

Like last Sunday, I hope Pieterse and Van Empel will race this soon.

 

[Izzyeviel]

Judging by the winners instagram, there is one hell of a party going on in the streets of EF-Education-Tibco-SVB!

In others news, Cant was taken to hosptial - stiches for several cuts to her face & forehead but nothing worse than that it seems

 

[Sciatic]

I suppose it depends on your conversion rate between how you value men's and women's results, but this is definitely in the running for the biggest Canadian road cycling result ever.

Or in one-days, at least, if you want to set aside Hesjedal's Giro win (which you might want to set aside anyway for other reasons_.

Steve Bauer - Stage 1 win and yellow jersey at ‘88 Tour might top this, but Jackson’s result is fantastic nonetheless.

 

[ChewbaccaDefense]

People always crash in Roubaix, so it only makes it less than smart to give the breakaway 6 minutes.

...yeah, but ALL of the major contenders crashed in that crash.

 

[ChewbaccaDefense]

Like last Sunday, I hope Pieterse and Van Empel will race this soon.

Yes!

 

[ChewbaccaDefense]

...from some of the comments, it's almost like some of you have never heard the name Vansummeren, and the day those stupid men let a break stay too far out...

 

[ChewbaccaDefense]

While the women's peloton is in an obviously different stage of specialization, I do think that there's plenty of things that can be learned from the men's Roubaix that appears to not have been applied that well in that you can't just give a breakaway a huge load of time.

I also feel that the men's Roubaix is basically the ultimate race of attrition and that doesn't translate as well to the womens race when it's only 145km.

I do really like that this race is on the Saturday before the men's race. That's pretty much perfect.

Yes, they are fully capable of racing longer, and racing on Arenberg... but the misguided idea that they're too weak to do so, is ***.

 

[Valv.Piti]

Well tbh, after watching that sprint Chewbacca, racing a lot more today would have been painful. That sprint today was flat out atrocious, the crash was dumb and what in the world was that rider thinking who basically took the lead and left herself with no shot what so ever going into the last K?

I watched Itzulia, watched a bit Roubaix here and there and then the last 5 km. While it was entertaining, there was just so much stuff going on that I really couldn't take serious in just those 5 kilometres. Some of the tactics that these team and riders deploy are off-putting and flat out dumb and makes me not wanna watch. I was extremely critical of the big teams in Flanders, but they got majorly bailed out by these otherworldly phenoms that they have on their squad. That can't be said for the women.

 

[ChewbaccaDefense]

Well tbh, after watching that sprint Chewbacca, racing a lot more today would have been painful. That sprint today was flat out atrocious, the crash was dumb and what in the world was that rider thinking who basically took the lead and left herself with no shot what so ever going into the last K?

I watched Itzulia, watched a bit Roubaix here and there and then the last 5 km. While it was entertaining, there was just so much stuff going on that I really couldn't take serious in just those 5 kilometres. Some of the tactics that these team and riders deploy are off-putting and flat out dumb and makes me not wanna watch. I was extremely critical of the big teams in Flanders, but they got majorly bailed out by these otherworldly phenoms that they have on their squad. That can't be said for the women.

I disagree. I watched Itzulia today as well, and Roubaix was far more entertaining for me.

I was yelling at the top of my lungs for Jackson....I didn't even bother watching Vingegaard cross the line.

 

[Valv.Piti]

I disagree. I watched Itzulia today as well, and Roubaix was far more entertaining for me.

Well yeah, in hindsight I would have liked to watch that race as well, but I was at the parents, so obviously were gonna watch Vingegaard destroy the opposition. Im a dane after all.

I might have to watch the two last hours know and see for myself what really was going on, I just can't wrap my head around women's cycling at times and I really, really don't think its because Im not too familiar with the riders and team. The tactics are just so weird at that times that I get pissed and stop watching.

 

[Netserk]

I liked the winner, not much else good to say about the race.

 

[Lequack]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1644778541987274756

View: https://twitter.com/EF_TIBCO_SVB/status/1644778541987274756

 

[jmdirt]

Whilst there is definitely weird tactics in mens racing at times, it doesnt seem as frequent as in the womens races. Both last week in Flanders and today, the leaders were in easy catching distance and the chase group mucked around both time. At Binda, they just let Van Anrooj ride away and then mucked around behind, though she was super strong. I just think there is more looking at each other in chase groups in women's racing.

You mean like letting two team mates ride up the road (one of them a favorite to win), and then never really riding to bring them back, or something stupid like that?

 

[ChewbaccaDefense]

You mean like letting two team mates ride up the road (one of them a favorite to win), and then never really riding to bring them back, or something stupid like that?

Right??!!...and it's super entertaining to watch a super strong guy drop everyone 50K out, and knowing that nobody will catch them...that last hour of "racing" is suuuch great viewing...

 

[Ripper]

Awesome!!!!!!!

 

[jmdirt]

Well tbh, after watching that sprint Chewbacca, racing a lot more today would have been painful. That sprint today was flat out atrocious, the crash was dumb and what in the world was that rider thinking who basically took the lead and left herself with no shot what so ever going into the last K?

I watched Itzulia, watched a bit Roubaix here and there and then the last 5 km. While it was entertaining, there was just so much stuff going on that I really couldn't take serious in just those 5 kilometres. Some of the tactics that these team and riders deploy are off-putting and flat out dumb and makes me not wanna watch. I was extremely critical of the big teams in Flanders, but they got majorly bailed out by these otherworldly phenoms that they have on their squad. That can't be said for the women.

These woman have no reason to train for racing longer, if they had to they could/would.

 

[awavey]

Well yeah, in hindsight I would have liked to watch that race as well, but I was at the parents, so obviously were gonna watch Vingegaard destroy the opposition. Im a dane after all.

I might have to watch the two last hours know and see for myself what really was going on, I just can't wrap my head around women's cycling at times and I really, really don't think its because Im not too familiar with the riders and team. The tactics are just so weird at that times that I get pissed and stop watching.

theres still a lot of naivety in the tactics in women's cycling sometimes imo, which is really down to them playing percentages rather than taking risks, whereas in the men's races there are always riders who if put in those same situations, would just take the initiative themselves or would just take the gamble for a win.

If a Wout or MVP is in that 2nd group chasing you know they arent going to be bothering with trying to work out the best position for them to be in if that group makes it to some hypothetical future sprint scenario, theyll just ride it as strong as they can make the situation work for them, see what happens, if it works they usually win as a result, if it doesnt, they wont go to sleep that night wondering if only.

AvV is probably the closest rider to that kind of mentality in the women's peloton currently, as per how she won the 2022 worlds, just rides those situations on instinct, doesnt overthink it just steals the initiative whilst everyone else is double guessing the next move.

 

[Skalman]

Well the Italian rider Ragusa doesn't get enough cred, it was much because of her the first group stayed away, she drove all the way to the line when no one else did, she probably knew it wasn't going to get her the win although it nearly did. It was a screw it mentality, if no one rides I'm going to, rather than be swallowed up she went for the best placement possible all while the rest group where tinkering about not wanting to lead out anyone. She was also very active before the finish. The moral winner for me.

 

[jono]

Well the Italian rider Ragusa doesn't get enough cred, it was much because of her the first group stayed away, she drove all the way to the line when no one else did, she probably knew it wasn't going to get her the win although it nearly did. It was a screw it mentality, if no one rides I'm going to, rather than be swallowed up she went for the best placement possible all while the rest group where tinkering about not wanting to lead out anyone. She was also very active before the finish. The moral winner for me.

Jackson in several of her interviews mentioned that just 4 were riding at the end. Including herself, of course, and you also have Lach and Ragusa. Who's the 4th? Borras?

 

[Skalman]

Jackson in several of her interviews mentioned that just 4 were riding at the end. Including herself, of course, and you also have Lach and Ragusa. Who's the 4th? Borras?

Maybe the girl that fell in the track, i thought it was one German girl that helped riding, don't know if it where her though.

 

[nightowl]

Interesting how when the men’s races have questionable tactics that take the favourites out of contention or have lesser-know riders riding to get a good result but reducing their chance to win then it’s just a part of cycling, but when it happens in the women’s races it’s apparently because they’re dumb and weak. But when the favourites do get it right and win it suddenly turns into women’s cycling is boring and uncompetitive

 

[jono]

Maybe the girl that fell in the track, i thought it was one German girl that helped riding, don't know if it where her though.

The rider that crashed in the velodrome was from SD Worx, and she definitely was not helping in the group late in the race, for obvious reasons.

 

[SafeBet]

Well the Italian rider Ragusa doesn't get enough cred, it was much because of her the first group stayed away, she drove all the way to the line when no one else did, she probably knew it wasn't going to get her the win although it nearly did. It was a screw it mentality, if no one rides I'm going to, rather than be swallowed up she went for the best placement possible all while the rest group where tinkering about not wanting to lead out anyone. She was also very active before the finish. The moral winner for me.

You're mistaking her for someone else.
Ragusa took zero pulls in the final 20 km (at least when the front group was showed).

It was mainly Jackson and Lack pulling. Borras and Truyen occasionally helped.
Ragusa, Duval and Markus were passive.