Paul Seixas: Tour de France Winner 2031

[tobydawq]

As a teenager?

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They guy won Clásica San Sebastián as a teenager...

I know that's a one-day race but you don't just win that for fun.

But okay, Seixas is just 18, so it might become a correct statement in time.

 

[Pozzovivo]

There is an enormous difference between doing well in .pro and .1 stage races races and doing well in this edition of Dauphine. Look at the guys ahead of Seixas in the GC. It's not Jan Polanc, Nikola Conci, Merhawi Kudus, Valerio Conti - it's the best riders in the world. Pogacar's tour of slovenia is pretty good. Only beaten by really good riders, but it's not even close to what Seixas is doing here.


Remco did do crazy things as a teenager (2nd world championship ITT) - but not in real WT GC's.

 

[Pozzovivo]

They guy won Clásica San Sebastián as a teenager...

I know that's a one-day race but you don't just win that for fun.

But okay, Seixas is just 18, so it might become a correct statement in time.

My statement was about GC - not one-days or TT.

 

[Cycling111]

There is an enormous difference between doing well in .pro and .1 stage races races and doing well in this edition of Dauphine. Look at the guys ahead of Seixas in the GC. It's not Jan Polanc, Nikola Conci, Merhawi Kudus, Valerio Conti - it's the best riders in the world. Pogacar's tour of slovenia is pretty good. Only beaten by really good riders, but it's not even close to what Seixas is doing here.


Remco did do crazy things as a teenager (2nd world championship ITT) - but not in real WT GC's.

These comparisons are worthless.

As I said, Vineggaard, at 22, was far inferior to Almeida and Vlasov in the Tour de l'Avenir, even though he was two years older than them, and look at him now.

Roglic and Rominger didn't prove capable of winning a GT until they were 27

It's also worth noting that Seixas has been with Decathlon since he was 16. At that age, Pogacar was on a Slovenian Continental team that didn't even have time trial bikes...

Seixas is more professional at 18, as Ayuso. Ayuso, although is very good, seems to have little room for improvement for that reason.

 

[Samu Cuenca]

These comparisons are worthless.

As I said, Vineggaard, at 22, was far inferior to Almeida and Vlasov in the Tour de l'Avenir, even though he was two years older than them, and look at him now.

Roglic and Rominger didn't prove capable of winning a GT until they were 27

It's also worth noting that Seixas has been with Decathlon since he was 16. At that age, Pogacar was on a Slovenian Continental team that didn't even have time trial bikes...

Seixas is more professional at 18, as Ayuso. Ayuso, although is very good, seems to have little room for improvement for that reason.

To be fair to Vingegaard, he was still 21 at the time and was coming back from injury (injury had also kept him from competing in Avenir the year before). He didn't look like a super talent, that's for sure, but he would still have been able to finish a lot higher than 66th with optimal prep and team leadership.

Regarding Seixas, time will tell whether he's an early bloomer or not and/or if he can cope with the pressure.

 

[KZD]

One of the stories of this week, Seixas kept his top10 even with the crash.

I hope that Decathlon doesn't rush him and he targets Tour de l'Avenir this season, Vuelta in 2026 and then the Tour only in 2027.

 

[Alexandre B.]

One step at a time. Right now he's the next Menchov. 😉

 

[RedheadDane]

I hope that Decathlon doesn't rush him and he targets Tour de l'Avenir this season, Vuelta in 2026 and then the Tour only in 2027.

Judging by the thread title, the Tour is the 2031 goal.

 

[ppanther92]

One step at a time. Right now he's the next Menchov. 😉

I guess I miss the reference but a Menchov career with 2 GT wins and 2 (1) Tour podiums would make him the best French GT rider since a long time (probably Fignon and Hinault - although they were a class above obviously, Jalabert won a Vuelta, Virenque, Pinot, Bardet, Peraud had podiums).

 

[Valv.Piti]

One of the stories of this week, Seixas kept his top10 even with the crash.

I hope that Decathlon doesn't rush him and he targets Tour de l'Avenir this season, Vuelta in 2026 and then the Tour only in 2027.

This seems to be the obvious pacing. Funnily enough, I actually thought about this while taking a shower the other day and I came to the same conclusion.

 

[hayneplane]

I guess I miss the reference but a Menchov career with 2 GT wins and 2 (1) Tour podiums would make him the best French GT rider since a long time (probably Fignon and Hinault - although they were a class above obviously, Jalabert won a Vuelta, Virenque, Pinot, Bardet, Peraud had podiums).

The Mencjov thing was a tongue in cheek joke about the uphill crash as Menchov managed to do that twice in big races.

 

[ppanther92]

The Mencjov thing was a tongue in cheek joke about the uphill crash as Menchov managed to do that twice in big races.

Ah, yeah, well - that makes sense now

 

[SafeBet]

I'd say Ayuso had better GC results as a teenager but it's possible Seixas will eclipse them. He has 15 months still.
Whatever happens, this was a stunning performance from him. Showed great panache when in trouble and limited his losses. Great signs for his future as a GT rider.

 

[Hugo Koblet]

I tried calculating the amount of CQ point accumulated before (some of) the top teenager's 20th birthday, just to see how they compare against each other. Of course CQ points isn't everything but I thought it would be interesting none the less.

I hope it's done correct, but bear with me if I've made any mistakes.

 

[Netserk]

I tried calculating the amount of CQ point accumulated before (some of) the top teenager's 20th birthday, just to see how they compare against each other. Of course CQ points isn't everything but I thought it would be interesting none the less.

I hope it's done correct, but bear with me if I've made any mistakes.

I suppose the x-axis is months since turning 18?

 

[Hugo Koblet]

I suppose the x-axis is months since turning 18?

It is, yes.

 

[Tonton]

Got the medal...nice...beat Cavagna, a reference.

 

[KZD]

Delivered in the Tour de l'Avenir, best stage racer of his generation.

 

[QueenStagiaire]

Delivered in the Tour de l'Avenir, best stage racer of his generation.

We‘ll see about that in 15 years, but he looks promising so far.

 

[RedheadDane]

We‘ll see about that in 15 years, but he looks promising so far.

According to the thread title, we'll clearly see in 6 years.

 

[ppanther92]

Youngest Avenir winner? Only went back 20 years but there he is the youggest. Ofc, he turns 19 in a month and there are a few winners with 19 (Pogacar for example) but no one while still 18.

 

[Berniece]

Was Decathlon planning on letting him ride his first GT next year? Giro or Vuelta?

 

[QueenStagiaire]

According to the thread title, we'll clearly see in 6 years.

But winning one Tour doesn‘t make you the Best stage racer of a generation, even by the very small generation definition applied here which is probably not more than seven years. Just ask Egan Bernal!

 

[Charlyghoul]

This guy is the real deal.
His last name is almost ‘sexy ass’ as well, heard not to root for him

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

Youngest Avenir winner? Only went back 20 years but there he is the youggest. Ofc, he turns 19 in a month and there are a few winners with 19 (Pogacar for example) but no one while still 18.

Pogacar was 2nd year U23. Recently, only Uijtdebroeks was also 1st year U23, but Uijtdebroeks is from January.