Paul Seixas: Tour de France Winner 2031

[Pippo_San]

Yes, this way. Or forbidden word-forbidden word.

Paul SixPack? 🐦

 

[Armchair Cyclist]

Do you prefer to describe people by their genetic admixture?

No, I prefer to acknowledge that nationality is not necessary a simple single identification.

 

[HashRouge]

This is so typical of this Cycling forum. We have a 18-year old winning the biggest U-23 race in the world with some nice performances.

But the topic most discussed after that is how you pronounce his name. 😂

That's because most of us had to listen to commentators absolutely butchering his name for the whole of l'Avenir. TNT was abysmal.

 

[Netserk]

But his grandfather was... The name didn't born with Paul... Seixas is a portuguese surname, period.
I will not say Hinault is a portuguese surname just because there is a portuguese citizen with that surname.

His first name is also an Old French name, so the correct pronunciation is as it would have been pronounced 1000 years ago and not the totally wrong manner of Modern French?

 

[YellowSocks]

Realistically, he's not gonna win the TdF cause he's gonna be stuck on an underperfoming amateurish French team forever.

With more money, a new manager and new ambitions, let's see what this team becomes in the future.

 

[Red Rick]

With more money, a new manager and new ambitions, let's see what this team becomes in the future.

French team with more money just means same performance with riders being more overpaid.

 

[Netserk]

No, I prefer to acknowledge that nationality is not necessary a simple single identification.

More than that, it must necessarily be very complicated for Mondo in order for Swedish to be a gross oversimplification, no?

 

[Armchair Cyclist]

The sporting insistence of attributing a single nationality is sometimes a gross simplification: in his case,ok, fairly straigtforward.

 

[scribers]

Paul SixPack? 🐦

They call me sickpack

 

[Peyroteo94]

And a Portuguese person named Hinault would likely pronounce their name in a Portuguese manner.
Just because a name originated in one country doesn't mean it has to forever be pronounced in the manner it's pronounced in the country of origin, even when people move away from said country.

No, he wouldn't...

 

[Eagle_Alps]

So in the end how do you pronounce it?
The French way?

pohl SAY-ksas

So far, I always heard French commentators:
s€x-AS
AS like in "mASter/jASper

 

[RedheadDane]

No, he wouldn't...

You can't know that...
The only people who have the authority of how he and his family pronounce their name are, well, him and his family.

 

[Peyroteo94]

You can't know that...
The only people who have the authority of how he and his family pronounce their name are, well, him and his family.

They can pronounce it as many times as they want, it's still wrong. I'm portuguese, I know how to pronounce portuguese surnames. I'm pretty sure his grandfather doesn't call his surname "sécsas"

 

[Netserk]

They can pronounce it as many times as they want, it's still wrong. I'm portuguese, I know how to pronounce portuguese surnames. I'm pretty sure his grandfather doesn't call his surname "sécsas"

Afaik, about 1000 years ago Englishmen also pronounced house and mouse like in Danish. Are they all wrong with how they pronounce it today?

 

[RedheadDane]

They can pronounce it as many times as they want, it's still wrong. I'm portuguese, I know how to pronounce portuguese surnames. I'm pretty sure his grandfather doesn't call his surname "sécsas"

Why are you so insistant that a French guy (and his family) should pronounce his name in the original Portuguese way, when it clearly has been a couple of generations since the family lived in Portugal?

I'm Danish, I don't insist that people with Danish ancestry living in some other country keeping pronouncing 'Jensen' in the original Danish way.

 

[SafeBet]

BTW there is a dedicated thread for pronunciations

How To - Say my name! Pronunciation thread

I thought we could gather pronunciations of rider's names - and maybe also place's names. (First of all it would help me if I ever make that commentary try and secondly) there are often questions about it, as last seen in the Rob Hatch thread. We have members from many different countries with...

forum.cyclingnews.com

 

[Tonton]

Plenty of variants on it between Jez Cox and Michale Hutchinson too (perhaps trying too hard to avoid what scribers describes). I have heard the X pronounced as X, like a French J, a Spanish J, a SS, and as a Z, and no apparent consensus as to whether it is one syllable or two.

Any francophones here? @Tonton?

Say-ksah is my default guess.

Sex Ass...

 

[Armchair Cyclist]

Sex Ass...

Were you answering my question, or just calling me?

 

[Wyndbrook]

Surely the definitive pronunciation will ultimately be the Sean Kelly way.

 

[P4rthen0n]

He pronounces it the French way (and yes, the beginning sounds like the forbidden word), like all people named Seixas in France do (this Portuguese surname is common in France, as Oliveira is - also pronounced the French way).

I had no idea Seixas and Oliveira had become somewhat common surnames in France, but it makes sense, since so many portuguese nationals emigrated to France in the last century.

Still, it's funny to see how the french have evolved their own way of pronouncing "Seixas" so differently.

 

[Avoriaz]

Should we ask Enric Mas how to pronounce it?