Pegasus Sports > 'Gillett-Fly-V' > Non existent

[washedup]

So a guy can't reply to why a certain team might be excluded from the sport? Are we limited to only discussion about paperwork delays and other administrative issues?

Ok, so here is an argument: Aw shucks, they must not have made the pro conti list because of an honest mistake. Jee wiz.


Is it not possible that issues plaguing our sport are also issues with one of the top upstart teams?

 

[auscyclefan94]

pegasus officials are prompting riders to inquire with other teams. It is not done and dusted yet so lets not get our knickers in a knot even though it is not looking good.

 

[auscyclefan94]

Karma for signing under the radar Joe Papp client Phil Zajicek? I can't imagine the UCI cares about the situation, but what goes around, comes around.... right?

I would love to see a strong Aussie team, but things have seemed a bit shady from the beginning. It seems that Fly-V was at some point linked to Successful Living, so another twist. You can't build a foundation on lies and high hopes.

Are there any other Aussie programs that could potentially develop into something over the next few years?

Karma? A lot of teams have riders who have shaddy pasts and they get sponsors and contracts.

 

[auscyclefan94]

And I thought you were older than you are, ACF

Le Groupment was THE big new team of 1995. Signed up a heap of big names: Leblanc (the reigning World Champ), Brochard, Pensec, Van Poppel, Millar, Graeme O'Bree, Arnould, Lino etc. Chose the worst jersey design of all time -think vomit after a box of fruit loops. Then went bust after a few months, leaving the riders high and dry. Good times.

Unfortunately, your beloved Pegasus is going to go the same way.

Sorry! I didn't follow the sport then. Bit hard follow much cycling during the early 90's.

 

[Sasquatch]

tip one: have sponsor contractually signed up, before announcing proteam or pro conti ambitions.

White has promised everything to these riders without having the $$$$ to back it up. As mentioned previously, he has the gift of the gab. He talks things up. He could have very well screwed over many people here. If that's the case, his future in the sport is on a knife's edge.

 

[Sasquatch]

Nah

It's Karma for White and how he has treated other people in the last few years.

 

[auscyclefan94]

Which big australian company would really want to invest in an Australian team who has an interest in expanding there business to europe?

You also have to think that all the top races are in Europe. In australia it is the middle of the night when they are competing. In comparison to other sports there isn't much coverage of cycling in Australia.

 

[**Uru**]

Well, at least some of them might find a ride on The Chicken's new team.

 

[auscyclefan94]

Nah

It's Karma for White and how he has treated other people in the last few years.

Could you please explain?

 

[hubbard]

^ its not the kind of thing to be discussed in a public forum. sasquatch's claim is certainly not unfounded however.

 

[Sasquatch]

Could you please explain?

This is not the place.

 

[TheStork]

Very disappointing.

I had be so looking forward to following Pegasus next year. What a disaster. Good article tracing the demise of the team on http://www.downundercycling.weebly.com
Very sad.

 

[hubbard]

I had be so looking forward to following Pegasus next year. What a disaster. Good article tracing the demise of the team on http://www.downundercycling.weebly.com
Very sad.

thats a very well written piece. thanks for the link. a fair, frank and unbiased view, and the last paragraph has some real resonance..

 

[BroDeal]

Which big australian company would really want to invest in an Australian team who has an interest in expanding there business to europe?

Here is a chance for Outback Steakhouse to look a little more Australian. The team could be named the Bloomin' Onions.

There is a bright side to this. Phil Zajicek and the team that was willing to sign him has been screwed.

 

[PCutter]

Which big australian company would really want to invest in an Australian team who has an interest in expanding there business to europe?

Frankly, if you're limiting yourself to Australian company's you've probably lost before you start. Any Aust team needs to tap international companies looking at Europe the same way Highroad has. HTC are not an American company, but are interested in Europe and then the 'eyeballs per $' argument makes sense to them.

Unfortunately, CW may have ruined it for the next Aussie who goes knocking on an international company's marketing door. At least for the next few years. Didn't spot Robbie at the coffee shop this morning - but it was raining.

 

[kurtinsc]

Here is a chance for Outback Steakhouse to look a little more Australian. The team could be named the Bloomin' Onions.

There is a bright side to this. Phil Zajicek and the team that was willing to sign him has been screwed.

What's the issue with Zajicek? The 2004 doping charge? In a sport that regularly forgives EPO use, Cathine seems like a pretty minor offense. Or is there another reason.

 

[BroDeal]

What's the issue with Zajicek? The 2004 doping charge? In a sport that regularly forgives EPO use, Cathine seems like a pretty minor offense. Or is there another reason.

That was just one of many. The latest (2010) is that he bought junk from Joe Papp, had it shipped to his girlfriend's place, and his lawyer claimed the stuff was not his. Velonews has been deleting any mention of Zajicek's doping affair from their site; the staff does not want to upset one of their local friends.

 

[valentius borealis]

It's Sony-Ericisson all over again.

That was the first thing to come to my mind when I saw the article about some of the riders looking for other teams.

 

[hubbard]

http://stevetilford.com/?p=6266

 

[Ferminal]

So... the original Fly V guys will go back to the US Conti team?

A couple of the bigger names may be lucky to get a spot in a good Pro Conti or UPT side.

Bad news for the rest unfortunately.

 

[fujisst]

This is not the place.

then why bring it up in the first and second place???
if you don't have any evidence for your allegations, they shouldn't even be discussed in a non-public forum...

 

[Timmy-loves-Rabo]

then why bring it up in the first and second place???
if you don't have any evidence for your allegations, they shouldn't even be discussed in a non-public forum...

Sasquatch didn't really instigate it tho, merely explained to acf why some might feel 'karma' is at play.

 

[Tuarts]

^ unfortunately, that is the very same media that was being used to promote the team. all media is interested in at the end of the day is a headline.

Yes, and leaping to conlusions and taking one thing and making it into an extreme.

Pegasus have been given until December 15th to get their application in order.

What part of that says that they are not going to get it at all, have sponsors pulling the plug and is falling to bits?

I'm not naive enough to think that this is all fina and dandy, there's certainly a lot of amateurish behaviour going on but until Wednesday roles on, I'm going to wait before criticising or making comment about this. Again, the media spiralling this story certainly doesn't help the team try to keep their riders happy.

 

[Sasquatch]

then why bring it up in the first and second place???
if you don't have any evidence for your allegations, they shouldn't even be discussed in a non-public forum...

All I'm doing is saying why karma may be coming back to bite White on the **** without going into details.

You don't need evidence if you've witnessed it first hand and heard from the people concerned.

For people in the know like me and a few others, who have actually researched and witnessed things, it makes sense. For the people who aren't in the know such as yourself, it doesn't.

All I'm saying is that this is karma. That's it. I'm not going into details. I'm just saying it's karma and I don't need to explain why I think it's karma. Understand?

 

[hubbard]

yes, yes i do understand.