Teams & Riders Peter Sagan discussion thread.

[loge1884]

Peter is definitely on the radar of everyone, regardless what performance he shows earlier on .... so unless he has (which I really do not hope) a string of very mediocre years, he can forget the "surprise attack" .... he's doomed to attack with such power that no-one can follow or like Ronde 2016 drop his co-attackers one by one on the road to the finishing line

 

[KGB]

Yeah but this is Sagan.Real champ. and Sagan's style(Keep him separate from GVA,Kwiatek etc.)He loves to show of when he is in good form(even cost him energy in finale)sometimes win and sometimes second.Many tactical mistakes(less monuments/stages/green jerseys wins etc.) but when he win then he always win in special Sagan way.Sunday he was back to his old Sagan style and was great to watch even he didn't win.He should keep his way it is right way which get him where he is now.

 

[Alexandre B.]

Maybe Sagan will not be as marked as he is now if he races in that ugly Bora jersey.

 

[tobydawq]

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Maybe Sagan will not be as marked as he is now if he races in that ugly Bora jersey.

That is unlikely to happen. The last time he rode in a regular team issue jersey was when he beat Cunego on a montain stage in Tour de Suisse 2011.

 

[spalco]

Controversial opinion I guess, and he's only 27 years old, but I don't know if Sagan has what it takes to win Paris-Roubaix.
His record in this race is easily the worst of any race he cares about (except maybe Scheldeprijs, looking over his palmares, if that race means anything to him). He has time left, and he probably hasn't even peaked yet, but still, I'm not convinced.

 

[tomorrow]

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From last 2 weeks, there are just to many questions on what had Sagan left in the tank, both in Flanders and P-R. Weren't it for the fall/punctures, the race in Flanders could have been much more exciting, as Sagan and GVA would probably get to Gilber before Paterberg, and in Roubaix it could be battle on multiple fronts.

get to Glibert before Paterberg?

I agree that one can discuss if Gilbert would have made it to the line, but how on earth would they catch him before the Paterberg when the gap is over 50 seconds near the top of the Kwaremont??

Catching GIlbert 2km before the finish line would have been more realistic.

Well, I am not sure, if I remember it correctly, but when they showed the gap to van Baarle, it was like 45s. That could have been 3km after kwaaremont. Sagan group had already dropped van baarle before they crashed, it could have been like 3-5s. It was still quite far to the top of quaremont, they still could have made. They would make it 10 - 15s to the top of quaremont, which would result like 25-30s to Gilbert. Van baarle did not certainly cut the time to Gilbert on the way to Paterberg, yet trentin, as gva was not pulling yet, alone took 15s down. I guess that Sagan, GVA and Naesen would take the 30s, or there wouldn't be much left from it. If not before, they would certainly catch him on Paterberg.

 

[myrideissteelerthanyours]

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Controversial opinion I guess, and he's only 27 years old, but I don't know if Sagan has what it takes to win Paris-Roubaix.
His record in this race is easily the worst of any race he cares about (except maybe Scheldeprijs, looking over his palmares, if that race means anything to him). He has time left, and he probably hasn't even peaked yet, but still, I'm not convinced.

Would take a big team giving him a big contract and having another a big name classics hardman to help.

 

[Jspear]

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Controversial opinion I guess, and he's only 27 years old, but I don't know if Sagan has what it takes to win Paris-Roubaix.
His record in this race is easily the worst of any race he cares about (except maybe Scheldeprijs, looking over his palmares, if that race means anything to him). He has time left, and he probably hasn't even peaked yet, but still, I'm not convinced.

But he should be able to compete in PR even when he can't contend for the win in Flanders. PR is a old man's race.

 

[the pope]

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Well, I am not sure, if I remember it correctly, but when they showed the gap to van Baarle, it was like 45s. That could have been 3km after kwaaremont. Sagan group had already dropped van baarle before they crashed, it could have been like 3-5s. It was still quite far to the top of quaremont, they still could have made. They would make it 10 - 15s to the top of quaremont, which would result like 25-30s to Gilbert. Van baarle did not certainly cut the time to Gilbert on the way to Paterberg, yet trentin, as gva was not pulling yet, alone took 15s down. I guess that Sagan, GVA and Naesen would take the 30s, or there wouldn't be much left from it. If not before, they would certainly catch him on Paterberg.

I'm afraid you are being extremely creative with the numbers here.

Go on youtube, there are many videos of people on the Kwaremont right where the crash happened. You can see Gilbert passing and count the actual time difference. It is 55 seconds at the moment of the crash.
Moreover, the crash is near the end of the Kwaremont, after the steepest inclines.
Gilbert was at the moment of the crash about 2.5 km from the Paterberg (which by itself is only 350 meters). Somehow you are suggesting that in that stretch, they would have closed those 55 seconds, which is by far the most farfetched 'what if'-statement I heard so far about this situation.

 

[Valv.Piti]

Yes, Gilbert literally finished Kwaremont when they crashed, so there is absolutely no way they would have caught him on Paterberg either.

 

[tomorrow]

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Well, I am not sure, if I remember it correctly, but when they showed the gap to van Baarle, it was like 45s. That could have been 3km after kwaaremont. Sagan group had already dropped van baarle before they crashed, it could have been like 3-5s. It was still quite far to the top of quaremont, they still could have made. They would make it 10 - 15s to the top of quaremont, which would result like 25-30s to Gilbert. Van baarle did not certainly cut the time to Gilbert on the way to Paterberg, yet trentin, as gva was not pulling yet, alone took 15s down. I guess that Sagan, GVA and Naesen would take the 30s, or there wouldn't be much left from it. If not before, they would certainly catch him on Paterberg.

I'm afraid you are being extremely creative with the numbers here.

Go on youtube, there are many videos of people on the Kwaremont right where the crash happened. You can see Gilbert passing and count the actual time difference. It is 55 seconds at the moment of the crash.
Moreover, the crash is near the end of the Kwaremont, after the steepest inclines.
Gilbert was at the moment of the crash about 2.5 km from the Paterberg (which by itself is only 350 meters). Somehow you are suggesting that in that stretch, they would have closed those 55 seconds, which is by far the most farfetched 'what if'-statement I heard so far about this situation.

Yeah, you're right, I am a little bit into math. And I mentioned I am not sure about all the facts.

However, I wanted to timed it, but unfortunately they didn't show when van baarle or gva get to top of kwaaremont, only that gilbert is on top about 27s after the crash. What I was wrong, that the first time they've shown the difference to van baarle was on paterberg. So this assumption is incorrect. The second thing is I didn't realize Patterberg is so close after Kwaaremont, I thought it was more like 4-5kms.
On the other hand, what I can measure though is sagans time after he sat on the bike eventually softpedalled to the top(90s), and given the circumstance, we can aggree he was waaaaay slower he would have been. There's no way the gap was 55' at the time of crash. Don't you think he might have been more then 20s slower to his monster self? That would be probably under 40s gap.

 

[the pope]

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Well, I am not sure, if I remember it correctly, but when they showed the gap to van Baarle, it was like 45s. That could have been 3km after kwaaremont. Sagan group had already dropped van baarle before they crashed, it could have been like 3-5s. It was still quite far to the top of quaremont, they still could have made. They would make it 10 - 15s to the top of quaremont, which would result like 25-30s to Gilbert. Van baarle did not certainly cut the time to Gilbert on the way to Paterberg, yet trentin, as gva was not pulling yet, alone took 15s down. I guess that Sagan, GVA and Naesen would take the 30s, or there wouldn't be much left from it. If not before, they would certainly catch him on Paterberg.

I'm afraid you are being extremely creative with the numbers here.

Go on youtube, there are many videos of people on the Kwaremont right where the crash happened. You can see Gilbert passing and count the actual time difference. It is 55 seconds at the moment of the crash.
Moreover, the crash is near the end of the Kwaremont, after the steepest inclines.
Gilbert was at the moment of the crash about 2.5 km from the Paterberg (which by itself is only 350 meters). Somehow you are suggesting that in that stretch, they would have closed those 55 seconds, which is by far the most farfetched 'what if'-statement I heard so far about this situation.

Yeah, you're right, I am a little bit into math. And I mentioned I am not sure about all the facts.

However, I wanted to timed it, but unfortunately they didn't show when van baarle or gva get to top of kwaaremont, only that gilbert is on top about 27s after the crash. What I was wrong, that the first time they've shown the difference to van baarle was on paterberg. So this assumption is incorrect. The second thing is I didn't realize Patterberg is so close after Kwaaremont, I thought it was more like 4-5kms.
On the other hand, what I can measure though is sagans time after he sat on the bike eventually softpedalled to the top(90s), and given the circumstance, we can aggree he was waaaaay slower he would have been. There's no way the gap was 55' at the time of crash. Don't you think he might have been more then 20s slower to his monster self? That would be probably under 40s gap.

Once again, you are making things way too complicated with all sorts of assumptions, while there are simple facts and proof available. Watch this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cAyM-MBk13g . Gilbert passes 'the jacket' 3 seconds in, the crash happens at 58 seconds. Hence 55 seconds time difference, it's no rocket science.

 

[Dr. Watson]

Stefano Zanatta saying Sagan should skip Roubaix and rather focus on the ardennes, what do u guys think about that? Feel like he should first try to win roubaix in next couple years and maybe then go for the ardennes...
link to the arrticle http://www.velonews.com/2017/04/news/paris-roubaix-suit-sagan_435479

 

[KGB]

Zanatta sed him a three times?for Ardennes but Sagan did not have much better result there then in P-R.Maybe if Zanatta send Sagan in 2012 or was 2013? to P-R instead of Amstel Sagan could have that year best result on P-R.He had best form after Cancellara that classic season.

 

[Netserk]

It doesn't make any sense not to ride Roubaix if you can win it. Sagan can win it, most definitely.

 

[RedheadDane]

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Maybe Sagan will not be as marked as he is now if he races in that ugly Bora jersey.

That is unlikely to happen. The last time he rode in a regular team issue jersey was when he beat Cunego on a montain stage in Tour de Suisse 2011.

What about national championships? Everyone rides in regular team issue jerseys in those, don't they?

 

[tobydawq]

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Maybe Sagan will not be as marked as he is now if he races in that ugly Bora jersey.

That is unlikely to happen. The last time he rode in a regular team issue jersey was when he beat Cunego on a montain stage in Tour de Suisse 2011.

What about national championships? Everyone rides in regular team issue jerseys in those, don't they?

Damn. In an international road race, then

 

[tobydawq]

He is riding the Frankfurt race. This is probably the first time I am genuinely surprised by a race on his programme as I thought he would take a break until California. However, of it cause it makes sense considering he rides for Bora and that it's WorldTour now.

 

[Dr. Watson]

Sagan on the podium 209 times out of 553 days raced since 2010, 37%, that is seriously impressive

 

[Rachela]

Peter's wife is pregnant.
https://www.facebook.com/PeterSagan/photos/a.10151003720429467.477586.369505964466/10155585128784467/?type=3&permPage=1

 

[jmdirt]

Look at the photo of PS airing it out on a CX bike:
https://www.specialized.com/us/en
There are four scrolling photos in the main page, PS is the CX is #3.
You can also click "play video" for some action from the photo shoot.

Disclaimer: I don't work for S, in fact I've never even owned one.

 

[jmdirt]

I love the goggles, moto style, for the post race interview! Great product exposure! 100%

 

[jmdirt]

WOW! That is a dirty and dangerous move!

 

[BigMac]

Nothing dirty about it, stop trying to create drama.

 

[Walkman]

Lance just said Sagan is DQed.