Teams & Riders Peter Sagan discussion thread.

[PeterB]

Giovanni Lombardi reportedly ask 6 mil. for sagan for new contract. That's quite a lot, even though Luca Guercilena said, that he's definately worth the money, the only problem with such a big salary is, that it's nearly impossible to pay some other worthy riders in the team(e.g. trek's budget is currently 14 mil), so the main sponzors should raise the money to go only for sagan's salary. Maybe he want's to press trek to raise the budget for him?
With the idea of sponzors donating only to sagan specifically, I am curious, if sagan could bring his own personal sponsors, that would be shown only on his shirts, tights, helmet ... . I guess if team designers can make national jerseys, they could make some kits with personal sponsors too. And as Sagan is pretty much guaranteed the slovak national jersey for some time(unless he skips some edition), they would have to make the kit for him anyway.

As far as I know UCI regulates extent to which jerseys of a team must be identical. IAM had to redesign their jersey last year because of that. But I do not see any reason why a personal sponsor would not want to appear also on other riders' jerseys (Androni style).

 

[GP Blanco]

Sagan will ride two MTB races to prepare for the Tour of California.

http://www.tinkoffteam.com/news/peter-sagan-return-mountain-bike-roots-tinkoff-colours/

 

[Netserk]

Meh, I'd much rather have him race Amstel. He's had a relatively light program so far, and others have shown in the past that you can do a good Amstel after Roubaix. Just look at what Greg did last year. Especially now that he is in so good form. Heck, with Ronde under his belt, he could just go for it with an attack on the penultimate Cauberg, as no one would care if he got 8th or 18th.

 

[tomorrow]

Re:

Sagan will ride two MTB races to prepare for the Tour of California.

http://www.tinkoffteam.com/news/peter-sagan-return-mountain-bike-roots-tinkoff-colours/

I am not sure, but in London Olympic games he could not start in cross country race because he hasn't been ranked in the rankings of this discipline, so I guess there might be a reason to start these races. Maybe then, he could start in cross country during rio olympics for slovakia, but that's just a hypothesis that crossed my mind.

EDIT: with his skill, I wouldn't be surprised if he delivered some results for Slovakia, and with the RR Olympic course, the results migth be significantly better then in RR

 

[trucido]

Re:

Meh, I'd much rather have him race Amstel. He's had a relatively light program so far, and others have shown in the past that you can do a good Amstel after Roubaix. Just look at what Greg did last year. Especially now that he is in so good form. Heck, with Ronde under his belt, he could just go for it with an attack on the penultimate Cauberg, as no one would care if he got 8th or 18th.

I'd rather he raced RC cars, he's been practising lately no?

 

[Gorecki]

Very interesting statistics regarding his still very young (and promising) career:

http://www.procyclingstats.com/articles/peter-sagan-compared-to-other-top-riders-at-same-age

 

[GP Blanco]

Re: Re:

Sagan will ride two MTB races to prepare for the Tour of California.

http://www.tinkoffteam.com/news/peter-sagan-return-mountain-bike-roots-tinkoff-colours/

I am not sure, but in London Olympic games he could not start in cross country race because he hasn't been ranked in the rankings of this discipline, so I guess there might be a reason to start these races. Maybe then, he could start in cross country during rio olympics for slovakia, but that's just a hypothesis that crossed my mind.

EDIT: with his skill, I wouldn't be surprised if he delivered some results for Slovakia, and with the RR Olympic course, the results migth be significantly better then in RR

I think it is more meant as a little diversion, to do something else. Van der Poel is riding MTB the whole season to qualify for the Olympics. Even a guy like Sagan needs more than two races.

 

[yaco]

Saga won't get 6 million. He should be happy to get 4m as he was overpaid when he signed his 3 year contract with Tin off.

 

[Lance Armstrong]

So Sagan to ride:

24-Apr, MTB Grazer Bike in Austria, cat. C1
30-Apr, Czech Strabag MTB cup, cat C1

C1 is equivalent to 1.1 in road racing.

Anyone wonder why he does it? It's required to participate in race like this if you want to be eligible for nomination for Olympic Games. So of course rumours go around that Sagan considers to start in Rio MTB race.

 

[lenric]

I'd like Sagan and Nibali to be partners again. Gods of cycling, concede me this desire.

 

[carolina]

Re:

So Sagan to ride:

24-Apr, MTB Grazer Bike in Austria, cat. C1
30-Apr, Czech Strabag MTB cup, cat C1

C1 is equivalent to 1.1 in road racing.

Anyone wonder why he does it? It's required to participate in race like this if you want to be eligible for nomination for Olympic Games. So of course rumours go around that Sagan considers to start in Rio MTB race.

maybe specialized just wants to sell more mountain bikes. after all, they don't know if he'll be riding their bikes next year...

 

[Jspear]

I'm surprised he's risking it here. He better not crash.

 

[Hugo Koblet]

Re:

Very interesting statistics regarding his still very young (and promising) career:

http://www.procyclingstats.com/articles/peter-sagan-compared-to-other-top-riders-at-same-age

Interesting. Of course numbers like these don't show the whole truth, but it's always fun to use it as a guideline.

Basically they show that Sagan was in a league of his own (as in by far the biggest talent in the last 12 years) until the age of 24. From 24-26 his development stagnated compared to the other riders on the list. Well, he was still the second best rider after Boonen, but the others came much closer.

 

[tomorrow]

Re: Re:

Sagan will ride two MTB races to prepare for the Tour of California.

http://www.tinkoffteam.com/news/peter-sagan-return-mountain-bike-roots-tinkoff-colours/

I am not sure, but in London Olympic games he could not start in cross country race because he hasn't been ranked in the rankings of this discipline, so I guess there might be a reason to start these races. Maybe then, he could start in cross country during rio olympics for slovakia, but that's just a hypothesis that crossed my mind.

EDIT: with his skill, I wouldn't be surprised if he delivered some results for Slovakia, and with the RR Olympic course, the results migth be significantly better then in RR

I think it is more meant as a little diversion, to do something else. Van der Poel is riding MTB the whole season to qualify for the Olympics. Even a guy like Sagan needs more than two races.

From some bigger MTB country yes, but if I remember correctly, Slovakia had wild card for London Olympics, the only criterium was a rider that has raced at least one race in cross country. So with Rio, it could be the same, that Slovakia has wild card, and as there is no rider that could go, it might be on Sagan after these two years.

EDIT: so I looked into qualification rules, and this time Slovakia has some rider in top 30 of cross country rankings, and currently is in 17th place in nations, which means Slovakia can nominate 1 rider for cross country. As Peter has no chance of earning more than 120 points to the ranking(if he won both the races), he can't be better as Michal Lami, and therefore it wouldn't be fair to nominate Peter Sagan instead of him, although if Sagan really won both these events, he would probably had better chance in Olympic compared to Michal.

 

[SKSemtex]

Re: Re:

Sagan will ride two MTB races to prepare for the Tour of California.

http://www.tinkoffteam.com/news/peter-sagan-return-mountain-bike-roots-tinkoff-colours/

I am not sure, but in London Olympic games he could not start in cross country race because he hasn't been ranked in the rankings of this discipline, so I guess there might be a reason to start these races. Maybe then, he could start in cross country during rio olympics for slovakia, but that's just a hypothesis that crossed my mind.

EDIT: with his skill, I wouldn't be surprised if he delivered some results for Slovakia, and with the RR Olympic course, the results migth be significantly better then in RR

I think it is more meant as a little diversion, to do something else. Van der Poel is riding MTB the whole season to qualify for the Olympics. Even a guy like Sagan needs more than two races.

From some bigger MTB country yes, but if I remember correctly, Slovakia had wild card for London Olympics, the only criterium was a rider that has raced at least one race in cross country. So with Rio, it could be the same, that Slovakia has wild card, and as there is no rider that could go, it might be on Sagan after these two years.

EDIT: so I looked into qualification rules, and this time Slovakia has some rider in top 30 of cross country rankings, and currently is in 17th place in nations, which means Slovakia can nominate 1 rider for cross country. As Peter has no chance of earning more than 120 points to the ranking(if he won both the races), he can't be better as Michal Lami, and therefore it wouldn't be fair to nominate Peter Sagan instead of him, although if Sagan really won both these events, he would probably had better chance in Olympic compared to Michal.

good homework tommorrow. thanks.

 

[JozefK]

I've just rewatched E3 Harelbeke. I really like when Peter a Michal riding together. It looks like they are enjoying that as well. Take this pictures from junior races as proof :

2007-2008.

 

[TourOfSardinia]

 

[tomorrow]

Re: Re:

Sagan will ride two MTB races to prepare for the Tour of California.

http://www.tinkoffteam.com/news/peter-sagan-return-mountain-bike-roots-tinkoff-colours/

I am not sure, but in London Olympic games he could not start in cross country race because he hasn't been ranked in the rankings of this discipline, so I guess there might be a reason to start these races. Maybe then, he could start in cross country during rio olympics for slovakia, but that's just a hypothesis that crossed my mind.

EDIT: with his skill, I wouldn't be surprised if he delivered some results for Slovakia, and with the RR Olympic course, the results migth be significantly better then in RR

I think it is more meant as a little diversion, to do something else. Van der Poel is riding MTB the whole season to qualify for the Olympics. Even a guy like Sagan needs more than two races.

From some bigger MTB country yes, but if I remember correctly, Slovakia had wild card for London Olympics, the only criterium was a rider that has raced at least one race in cross country. So with Rio, it could be the same, that Slovakia has wild card, and as there is no rider that could go, it might be on Sagan after these two years.

EDIT: so I looked into qualification rules, and this time Slovakia has some rider in top 30 of cross country rankings, and currently is in 17th place in nations, which means Slovakia can nominate 1 rider for cross country. As Peter has no chance of earning more than 120 points to the ranking(if he won both the races), he can't be better as Michal Lami, and therefore it wouldn't be fair to nominate Peter Sagan instead of him, although if Sagan really won both these events, he would probably had better chance in Olympic compared to Michal.

good homework tommorrow. thanks.

Well, according to info from chief of Slovac cycling union, the main reason why sagan is riding the the MTB races is really to be able to race in the Olympics. As I said earlier, Slovakia has on spot for Rio currently, but they are very close to second spot, which would come to Sagan, but he needs to have at least 10 points in UCI MTB rankings.

 

[Lance Armstrong]

Re: Re:

EDIT: so I looked into qualification rules, and this time Slovakia has some rider in top 30 of cross country rankings, and currently is in 17th place in nations, which means Slovakia can nominate 1 rider for cross country. As Peter has no chance of earning more than 120 points to the ranking(if he won both the races), he can't be better as Michal Lami, and therefore it wouldn't be fair to nominate Peter Sagan instead of him, although if Sagan really won both these events, he would probably had better chance in Olympic compared to Michal.

Fair is to delegate a better rider.

Michal Lami is starting both in Graz and in Teplice so it will be a good head to head comparison.

 

[tomorrow]

Re: Re:

EDIT: so I looked into qualification rules, and this time Slovakia has some rider in top 30 of cross country rankings, and currently is in 17th place in nations, which means Slovakia can nominate 1 rider for cross country. As Peter has no chance of earning more than 120 points to the ranking(if he won both the races), he can't be better as Michal Lami, and therefore it wouldn't be fair to nominate Peter Sagan instead of him, although if Sagan really won both these events, he would probably had better chance in Olympic compared to Michal.

Fair is to delegate a better rider.

Michal Lami is starting both in Graz and in Teplice so it will be a good head to head comparison.

who the hell did they send to world cup in Australia then to earn the points, so Slovakia would get 2 spots instead of one, if not currently the best rider?

 

[Lance Armstrong]

Re: Re:

EDIT: so I looked into qualification rules, and this time Slovakia has some rider in top 30 of cross country rankings, and currently is in 17th place in nations, which means Slovakia can nominate 1 rider for cross country. As Peter has no chance of earning more than 120 points to the ranking(if he won both the races), he can't be better as Michal Lami, and therefore it wouldn't be fair to nominate Peter Sagan instead of him, although if Sagan really won both these events, he would probably had better chance in Olympic compared to Michal.

Fair is to delegate a better rider.

Michal Lami is starting both in Graz and in Teplice so it will be a good head to head comparison.

who the hell did they send to world cup in Australia then to earn the points, so Slovakia would get 2 spots instead of one, if not currently the best rider?

Nobody, it's a money issue.

But Sagan can't secure 2nd spot anyway. The "MTB UCI Olympic Qualification Ranking" takes into consideration total points of 3 highest ranked riders of the country. Even if Sagan won both races he would still be not the 3rd best Slovak rider, and therefore his points are irrelevant.

 

[glassmoon]

Re: Re:

EDIT: so I looked into qualification rules, and this time Slovakia has some rider in top 30 of cross country rankings, and currently is in 17th place in nations, which means Slovakia can nominate 1 rider for cross country. As Peter has no chance of earning more than 120 points to the ranking(if he won both the races), he can't be better as Michal Lami, and therefore it wouldn't be fair to nominate Peter Sagan instead of him, although if Sagan really won both these events, he would probably had better chance in Olympic compared to Michal.

Fair is to delegate a better rider.

Michal Lami is starting both in Graz and in Teplice so it will be a good head to head comparison.

who the hell did they send to world cup in Australia then to earn the points, so Slovakia would get 2 spots instead of one, if not currently the best rider?

Nobody, it's a money issue.

But Sagan can't secure 2nd spot anyway. The "MTB UCI Olympic Qualification Ranking" takes into consideration total points of 3 highest ranked riders of the country. Even if Sagan won both races he would still be not the 3rd best Slovak rider, and therefore his points are irrelevant.

Michal Lami was at the start at WC in Australia... finished at 50. place.
btw: Sagan DNF in Graz. He was 5th after the 5 laps about 1min behind podium.
- aparently he crashed out of the race...
http://www.kleinezeitung.at/s/sport/sommersport/rad/4974389/Video_Schwerer-Sturz_Peter-Sagan-muss-in-Stattegg-aufgeben

 

[yaco]

LBL could be a new target for Sagan - That final cobbled climb is up his ally.

 

[Red Rick]

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LBL could be a new target for Sagan - That final cobbled climb is up his ally.

Doubt if he'd reach that stage of the race, and then I doubt he'd be able to do the same as he does at the Paterberg.

 

[saganftw]

you cant keep top form from milan-san remo to LBL and then be ready for tour in time - sacrifices would have to be made,either starting later and practicaly stop caring about milan san remo (which i wouldnt mind since MSR is a wank race anyway) or being in solid form for two months hoping for a good result and then burnout for tour

i could see something like ronde to LBL with no california to tour,or maybe even MSR to Amstel for a start - no doubt with they way the ardennes are being ridden lately he would have a solid chance in all of them except Fleche Wallone

the obstacles are more with sponsors than actual willingness to ride ardennes,he cant ditch tour of california and tour,he is just too big of a box office for bike manufacturers to be absent there