Teams & Riders Peter Sagan discussion thread.

[Brullnux]

Sagan's strength is explosiveness on hills. That's why he once came 3rd in Amstel when the finish was still on top of the Cauberg, came 12th or 13th once at Fleche and won the Tour of Poland. He is also a good roleur, but his roleur skills are not as strong as his skills on bergs. He may well win Paris-Roubaix, but it will be harder for him than winning Ronde, which is a race that suits him more. Cancellara on the other hand is usually stronger at Paris-Roubaix. When it comes to out and out pure power on the flat, Cancellara is stronger, which is why Fabian put 24 seconds into him at Tirreno in a flat 10km TT. Yesterday, Sagan had put out a fairly sustained effort for about 7 or 8km, which probably tired him out less than Cancellara's monster effort on the Kwaremont. The way the race had panned out meant that Sagan had more strength at the end than Fabian.

Sagan may very well win Paris-Roubaix and has a great chance as he is in fantastic form, but IMO at least he is not the outright favourite some are making him out to be

 

[Hugo Koblet]

I think only Cancellara is a bigger favorite to win Paris-Roubaix than Sagan at this point. All this talk about Sagan having no chance to win is of course nonsense. He was sixth two years ago and he's better than ever now. Flanders is of course a different race than Paris-Roubaix, but Sagan was in a league of his own yesterday. Perhaps Vanmarcke comes close as he has been much stronger in Paris-Roubaix than Flanders the last few years.

 

[King Boonen]

First DiCaprio wins an Oscar, now Sagan wins a Monument. STOP SPOILING THE INTERNET FOR ME!!!


Congrats to him though, hell of a ride.

 

[peloton]

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Sagan should just not bother turning up at P-R according to some of the comments here.

This. Pretty funny.

Great win, really looking forward to Sunday now too!

 

[glassmoon]

PS was top3 @ P-R for me before Flanders... after Flanders, he is my top1 for P-R.
he was explosive on the climbs and he easily stayed away from FC on the final flat TT

 

[pedromiguelmartins]

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Sagan's strength is explosiveness on hills. That's why he once came 3rd in Amstel when the finish was still on top of the Cauberg, came 12th or 13th once at Fleche and won the Tour of Poland. He is also a good roleur, but his roleur skills are not as strong as his skills on bergs. He may well win Paris-Roubaix, but it will be harder for him than winning Ronde, which is a race that suits him more. Cancellara on the other hand is usually stronger at Paris-Roubaix. When it comes to out and out pure power on the flat, Cancellara is stronger, which is why Fabian put 24 seconds into him at Tirreno in a flat 10km TT. Yesterday, Sagan had put out a fairly sustained effort for about 7 or 8km, which probably tired him out less than Cancellara's monster effort on the Kwaremont. The way the race had panned out meant that Sagan had more strength at the end than Fabian.

Sagan may very well win Paris-Roubaix and has a great chance as he is in fantastic form, but IMO at least he is not the outright favourite some are making him out to be

No one is arguing with that. However, at this time, only Fabian could be seen as a bigger favorite than Sagan, even as a rolleur.

How many bottles of vodka does one need to put second tier guys like Niki Secondstra and Ian Stancapie above Peter as favorites?

 

[King Boonen]

I'd put Sagan as the number 1 favourite for PR easily now. Outside chance for Kristoff or Rowe if the race goes right.

 

[elmati]

Well, according to bookies, Sagan is the biggest favorite for PR. Closely followed by Fabian. I'm just a layman so I can't make any predictions of my own, but I believe the bookies know what they are doing. After all, they want to make money.

 

[BalearicBeats]

It seems like Juraj is motivated by Peter's performances this season! Must be fun for him to be able to help Peter and even finish!

 

[elmati]

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It seems like Juraj is motivated by Peter's performances this season! Must be fun for him to be able to help Peter and even finish!

Even Sagan seems to be doing well with Juraj and Kolar helping him. This was the 2nd time the trio raced together (Richmond was the 1st one, although that was for Team Slovakia),

 

[SKSemtex]

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It seems like Juraj is motivated by Peter's performances this season! Must be fun for him to be able to help Peter and even finish!

Even Sagan seems to be doing well with Juraj and Kolar helping him. This was the 2nd time the trio raced together (Richmond was the 1st one, although that was for Team Slovakia),

Good brother and friend. He is already preparing the ground for their new contract .

 

[Lance Armstrong]

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It seems like Juraj is motivated by Peter's performances this season! Must be fun for him to be able to help Peter and even finish!

Even Sagan seems to be doing well with Juraj and Kolar helping him. This was the 2nd time the trio raced together (Richmond was the 1st one, although that was for Team Slovakia),

3rd time, Gent - Wevelgem too.

 

[elmati]

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Good brother and friend. He is already preparing the ground for their new contract .

I'm actually a bit surprised that a rider has so much say in who gets signed. Same goes for Valach (Sagan's NT coach, he became DS for Tinkoff shortly after Richmond IIRC).

3rd time, Gent - Wevelgem too.

Even better.

 

[contador_attacks]

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I'm really happy for the man... Balls, son! Balls! Tactically, he was perfect.

This win could open the flood gates. It will obviously be a massive boost for his confidence.

Yes - I truly believe that big win in his palmares aside from the World's was a necessity to unlock his full potential- so it won't be about whether or not winning but how many of those can he achieve in the coming years

+1.

 

[barmaher]

The world championship win opened the floodgates.

 

[Mr.White]

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Sagan's strength is explosiveness on hills. That's why he once came 3rd in Amstel when the finish was still on top of the Cauberg, came 12th or 13th once at Fleche and won the Tour of Poland. He is also a good roleur, but his roleur skills are not as strong as his skills on bergs. He may well win Paris-Roubaix, but it will be harder for him than winning Ronde, which is a race that suits him more. Cancellara on the other hand is usually stronger at Paris-Roubaix. When it comes to out and out pure power on the flat, Cancellara is stronger, which is why Fabian put 24 seconds into him at Tirreno in a flat 10km TT. Yesterday, Sagan had put out a fairly sustained effort for about 7 or 8km, which probably tired him out less than Cancellara's monster effort on the Kwaremont. The way the race had panned out meant that Sagan had more strength at the end than Fabian.

Sagan may very well win Paris-Roubaix and has a great chance as he is in fantastic form, but IMO at least he is not the outright favourite some are making him out to be

If he's not outright favorite, then he's certainly close no.2 (behind Canc). The guy is a beast, his only weakness was long distance, but that's not the case anymore, as we all saw yesterday. He's a full package, explosion on the hill, monster on the flat, daredevil on the decent. And I bet we will not see anyone beating him in a sprint after a hard race anymore. I don't see anyone dropping him in Roubaix, not Cancellara, not anyone...

 

[MagnusMagnussen]

Source: Het Nieuwsblad

 

[TMP402]

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genitalia.

 

[Hugo Koblet]

What a boss.

 

[MichalJ]

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Were you one of those hyping up Kwiat before today by any chance?

If I'm wrong, fair enough, I'll admit my judgement was wrong, but of course, it will similarly be great to re-read your post if Sagan doesn't deliver on Sunday

Kwiat is the only rider that can realistically win the 5 monuments. How many 1 day races has the guy already won? Amstel, Strade, e3, Worlds FFS.

His attack at MSR wasn't far off, and he made the winning move at his first ever RVV. Yeah, with the exception of Peter, he is by far the most powerful classics rider from the new guard. Funny how you didn't read the "unlikely" part.

Well, it was third RVV for Kwiatkowski this year. 2011 - DNF, 2013 - 40th, 2016 - 27th.
But yeah, he is strong already, and who knows, where is his potential.

 

[yaco]

And he is still riding with huge handicap -his team. I wonder what his palmarès could be if he switch to team like BMC and riding with GVA. Thay could toss on the beginning of race and have it all.

Sagan is one of those unique riders who doesn't need a strong team.

 

[Hugo Koblet]

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Were you one of those hyping up Kwiat before today by any chance?

If I'm wrong, fair enough, I'll admit my judgement was wrong, but of course, it will similarly be great to re-read your post if Sagan doesn't deliver on Sunday

Kwiat is the only rider that can realistically win the 5 monuments. How many 1 day races has the guy already won? Amstel, Strade, e3, Worlds FFS.

His attack at MSR wasn't far off, and he made the winning move at his first ever RVV. Yeah, with the exception of Peter, he is by far the most powerful classics rider from the new guard. Funny how you didn't read the "unlikely" part.

Well, it was third RVV for Kwiatkowski this year. 2011 - DNF, 2013 - 40th, 2016 - 27th.
But yeah, he is strong already, and who knows, where is his potential.

That doesn't tell the whole story though as he was very strong and on the attack in 2013.

 

[Cannibal72]

And he is still riding with huge handicap -his team. I wonder what his palmarès could be if he switch to team like BMC and riding with GVA. Thay could toss on the beginning of race and have it all.

Sagan is one of those unique riders who doesn't need a strong team.

Given all the problems BMC have had with team leadership (and indeed their record of under-achieving), I reckon that he'd actually have been hurt by riding for a team like that; if he's had anything at Liquigas and Tinkoff, it's freedom.

 

[Lance Armstrong]

After all decided to ride the sixth monument, Scheldeprijs:
Tinkoff
111 Sagan, Peter
112 Baška, Erik
113 Blythe, Adam
114 Brutt, Pavel
115 Gogl, Michael
116 Kolar, Michael
117 Sagan, Juraj
118 Trusov, Nikolay

 

[CheckMyPecs]

And he is still riding with huge handicap -his team. I wonder what his palmarès could be if he switch to team like BMC and riding with GVA. Thay could toss on the beginning of race and have it all.

Sagan is one of those unique riders who doesn't need a strong team.

Thankfully, because his team is crap.