Teams & Riders Peter Sagan discussion thread.

[Leinster]

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It will be exactly the same schedule as in 2017 which honestly also is a very good one apart from no Amstel which he can win. I hope he finally participates.

he can win liege too (the current liege bastogne liege...)

With his current physique and race program he can't.

I think the race program is the bigger issue than the weight. If an injury forced him off the bike for the end of March/early April and he needed a classic win to rescue his spring, I’d say he could win Liege as easily as any other.

 

[Zinoviev Letter]

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It will be exactly the same schedule as in 2017 which honestly also is a very good one apart from no Amstel which he can win. I hope he finally participates.

he can win liege too (the current liege bastogne liege...)

With his current physique and race program he can't.

Yes exactly. Does he have the capacity to win Liege if he targets it and drops quite a few kgs of muscle mass? Yes, very likely he would be a strong contender. Can he do so while peaking for other classics and while carrying around 12+ kg extra over anyone competitive in LBL? Almost certainly not.

 

[Zinoviev Letter]

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It will be exactly the same schedule as in 2017 which honestly also is a very good one apart from no Amstel which he can win. I hope he finally participates.

he can win liege too (the current liege bastogne liege...)

With his current physique and race program he can't.

I think the race program is the bigger issue than the weight. If an injury forced him off the bike for the end of March/early April and he needed a classic win to rescue his spring, I’d say he could win Liege as easily as any other.

Nobody close to his weight has been close to winning LBL in a long time. Matthews, who is noticeably lighter than the current version of Sagan, is the nearest and even he was not in contention for the win. Before that we are talking about a younger and again considerably lighter version of GVA placing well but again not being near the win. LBL has been about the flyweights for a long time and until some big lump learns to punch with Valverde and Martin after a long day climbing it will continue to be.

 

[SKSemtex]

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now he has the team to do even more damage in milan san remo and flanders. now he has the r
team to win roubaix. last year he was robbered in roubaix, he just need to avoid punctures and crashes

By which you mean now he has Daniel Oss.

He wasn’t robbed in Roubaix. There are punctures and crashes every year there, you just have to hope the other guy gets them worse than you.

Sagan´s main problem in spring classics is that he is so marked that other teams will always use any of his mistakes, temporary problems and especially punctures. PR 2016, 2017 were the best example.

If peloton had reacted on GVA´s problems the same way as it reacts when Sagan has one, GVA would have been gone before Arenberg. Even in RVV he could be gone a long time before the Sagan´s crash.

If there are any unwritten rules regarding waiting for the Froome if he has a problem there must be the same unwritten rule in the peloton to ride as hard as possible if Sagan has one. .

I wonder if the byke of Daniel Oss (190 CM) can be good enough for Sagan (184) to win the race in case of the puncture in last cobble sectors

 

[Jspear]

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now he has the team to do even more damage in milan san remo and flanders. now he has the r
team to win roubaix. last year he was robbered in roubaix, he just need to avoid punctures and crashes

By which you mean now he has Daniel Oss.

He wasn’t robbed in Roubaix. There are punctures and crashes every year there, you just have to hope the other guy gets them worse than you.

Sagan´s main problem in spring classics is that he is so marked that other teams will always use any of his mistakes, temporary problems and especially punctures. PR 2016, 2017 were the best example.

If peloton had reacted on GVA´s problems the same way as it reacts when Sagan has one, GVA would have been gone before Arenberg. Even in RVV he could be gone a long time before the Sagan´s crash.

If there are any unwritten rules regarding waiting for the Froome if he has a problem there must be the same unwritten rule in the peloton to ride as hard as possible if Sagan has one. .

I wonder if the byke of Daniel Oss (190 CM) can be good enough for Sagan (184) to win the race in case of the puncture in last cobble sectors

GVA will be just as marked this year. He’s proven to be a classics sprinter, soloist, etc. He’s no longer the nearly man. This is good for Sagan.

 

[Netserk]

No he won't. Marked, yes; not as marked as Sagan though.

 

[Jspear]

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No he won't. Marked, yes; not as marked as Sagan though.

Riders would be idiots not to mark him just as much. He’s proven himself to be just as strong and smarter (imo). I don’t see him getting any sort of leeway that isn’t also afforded to Sagan.

 

[Breh]

GvA is a soloist?

 

[SKSemtex]

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No he won't. Marked, yes; not as marked as Sagan though.

Riders would be idiots not to mark him just as much. He’s proven himself to be just as strong and smarter (imo). I don’t see him getting any sort of leeway that isn’t also afforded to Sagan.

He was proven winner before PR. They could get rid of him minimum two times during the race. They did not care. They cared only about Sagan. I know, it is very biased opinion but GVA won few races especially PR only because of pelotonś main goal is to get rid of Sagan.

 

[portugal11]

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No he won't. Marked, yes; not as marked as Sagan though.

Riders would be idiots not to mark him just as much. He’s proven himself to be just as strong and smarter (imo). I don’t see him getting any sort of leeway that isn’t also afforded to Sagan.

He was proven winner before PR. They could get rid of him minimum two times during the race. They did not care. They cared only about Sagan. I know, it is very biased opinion but GVA won few races especially PR only because of pelotonś main goal is to get rid of Sagan.

this... their rivals think (in their heads) that gva is beatable on equal conditions (same amount of work,...) but with sagan is different, everybody know that sagan is the best so sometimes they prefer to get rid of sagan very soon or suck his wheel all the time like gva does many times

 

[Jspear]

Those points are fair enough and I agree with you that this is how it was in the past. IMHO, I think things will be different for GVA this year in light of his great year last year.

 

[Jspear]

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GvA is a soloist?

Sorry, I was wrong...I guess he's always had someone with him.

 

[Leinster]

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GvA is a soloist?

Sorry, I was wrong...I guess he's always had someone with him.

Except his TdF stage win that put him in yellow in 2016.

 

[Valv.Piti]

I think he should be scheduled for Amstel now. Good decision!

 

[tobydawq]

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I think he should be scheduled for Amstel now. Good decision!

Nice. It has been very strange that he hasn't ridden it the last four years.

 

[Son of Amsterhammer]

I enjoy GVA and Sagan's battles. Sagan has no peers IMO, but GVA is one of the very few that will make Sagan work all the way to the line (and sometimes get the better of him).

 

[Keram]

http://www.cyclingweekly.com/news/l...atican-ask-pope-baptise-son-yes-really-365078

I hope he will behave good and do not do something stupid/lame in the presence of pope. :lol: I like his behaviour mostly but this time would be really inappropriate.

 

[Valv.Piti]

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I enjoy GVA and Sagan's battles. Sagan has no peers IMO, but GVA is one of the very few that will make Sagan work all the way to the line (and sometimes get the better of him).

More often than not, GVA gets the better of him in classics, but Sagan is still the better rider of the two. Greg is cutthroat and rides 110% on results and nothing else, whereas you get the feeling that Sagan also sometimes rides for the show. Greg is so badass after +200 km in cold weather with your typical Belgian cobbled classic race in the legs.

 

[rrYan]

For those, who want to refresh Pet's 2017 highlights ... https://youtu.be/aBj64u4Bu1k

 

[Alexandre B.]

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For those, who want to refresh Pet's 2017 highlights ... https://youtu.be/aBj64u4Bu1k

Excellent editing.

 

[Son of Amsterhammer]

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For those, who want to refresh Pet's 2017 highlights ... https://youtu.be/aBj64u4Bu1k

Really enjoyed that!!! Great work!

 

[sprints n stones]

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For those, who want to refresh Pet's 2017 highlights ... https://youtu.be/aBj64u4Bu1k

Thanks for this compilation ,so many just focus on top 3 placings , was good to see all the highs and lows of the year. Loved the use of black and white shots to add to the drama. Really excellent work !!

 

[42x16ss]

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I think he should be scheduled for Amstel now. Good decision!

Sagan and McCarthy working together at Amstel is a scary proposition

 

[sprints n stones]

Yes Amstel looking to be very exciting.
For those that like to follow Juraj as well, season looks like this - 4x Challenge Mallorca, Abu Dhabi, Paris-Nice, Milan
-San Remo, G-W , Dwars Door Vlaanderen, RvV, Tour of California, Hammer Sportzone, Tour of Switzerland.
He's not currently listed for Tour de France.
Think that's the most independent season he's had from Peter. Probably Oss coming has given Peter someone else he can completely rely on.

 

[Velolover2]

I hope he goes for the sprints in TDU. He seems to be in great shape.