Teams & Riders Peter Sagan discussion thread.

[Keram]

Isnt he first rider in history to won Roubaix and Ronde in rainbow? Correct me if I am wrong. If I remember it corectly Boonen won only Flanders in rainbow. But in history maybe someone done it. Anyway I am super happy right now. His biggest win so far. Sagan is building up some great palmares. Ronde, Roubaix,3wc 3x gw, E3, Kuurne, Brabantse pjil, 2x Quebec, Montreal, European road race title. 8 TDF + 4 Vuelta stages. Impressive.

 

[SKSemtex]

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If Sagan really wants to troll he enlists for Liege and starts tweeting about #striveforfive

He should definitely go there just for fun of it and help his teammates. Bora team could be quite strong there.

As long as they don't force Konrad to work for Majka in LBL once again...

Anybody knows if Kennaugh is riding this?

 

[Angliru]

Look at that, Boonen was right!

I have a feeling Sagan could get rid of Dillier long time ago. they both new it and made kind of agreement. imho
I think Sagan still had huge reserve on the end.

I agree with this, and I think it was a mistake on Sagan's part. It's always better to get to the finish line on your own if you can, because that way you won't lose if you make a mistake or your rival is stronger than you anticipated. And if you puncture or whatever, you get a second chance instead of pretty much losing it all. I suspect Sagan was too scared of going solo on those final 15 km and having to fend off a pursuing group of contenders. It worked out well for him, but still, I consider it a mistake.

I think once he realized Dillier was willing to share the work Sagan knew the race was his and that they stood a better chance of staying away.

 

[BigMac]

Best there ever was.

 

[KGB]

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Isnt he first rider in history to won Roubaix and Ronde in rainbow? Correct me if I am wrong. If I remember it corectly Boonen won only Flanders in rainbow. But in history maybe someone done it. Anyway I am super happy right now. His biggest win so far. Sagan is building up some great palmares. Ronde, Roubaix,3wc 3x gw, E3, Kuurne, Brabantse pjil, 2x Quebec, Montreal, European road race title. 8 TDF + 4 Vuelta stages. Impressive.

I guess Hinault was first 37yrs. ago.

 

[Nirvana]

Finally he decided to attack and he succeeded.
Lol at who said that he couldn't hold a gap so was right to wait for the sprint like in last races.

 

[Valv.Piti]

Im afraid he still is overrated, particularly in the mainstream media - experts and commentators, for example, stating he is the best cyclist of his generation really rubs me the wrong way. He clearly isn't at this moment. But I am glad that he finally abandoned whining and took the bulls by he horns, just like Boonen advised him to.

 

[BigMac]

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Im afraid he still is overrated, particularly in the mainstream media - experts and commentators, for example, stating he is the best cyclist of his generation really rubs me the wrong way. He clearly isn't at this moment. But I am glad that he finally abandoned whining and took the bulls by he horns, just like Boonen advised him to.

Who's the best rider of this generation?

 

[Hellyea]

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Im afraid he still is overrated, particularly in the mainstream media - experts and commentators, for example, stating he is the best cyclist of his generation really rubs me the wrong way. He clearly isn't at this moment. But I am glad that he finally abandoned whining and took the bulls by he horns, just like Boonen advised him to.

Can't wait to read who you think the best cyclist of his generation is.

 

[Valv.Piti]

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Im afraid he still is overrated, particularly in the mainstream media - experts and commentators, for example, stating he is the best cyclist of his generation really rubs me the wrong way. He clearly isn't at this moment. But I am glad that he finally abandoned whining and took the bulls by he horns, just like Boonen advised him to.

Who's the best rider of this generation?

Well, I rate all of Contador, Cancellara, Boonen, Nibali, Gilbert and Valverde higher than Sagan.

 

[MuskyOurSaviour]

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Im afraid he still is overrated, particularly in the mainstream media - experts and commentators, for example, stating he is the best cyclist of his generation really rubs me the wrong way. He clearly isn't at this moment. But I am glad that he finally abandoned whining and took the bulls by he horns, just like Boonen advised him to.

Who's the best rider of this generation?

Well, I rate all of Contador, Cancellara, Boonen, Nibali, Gilbert and Valverde higher than Sagan.

That's not his generation though.

 

[Parker]

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Isnt he first rider in history to won Roubaix and Ronde in rainbow? Correct me if I am wrong.

Whenever asking if a rider is the first to do something, always check if Merckx did it.

He did. Roubaix in 68 and Flanders in 75.

(With Sanremo in 72 and 75, Liege in 72 and 75 and Lombardy in 71 thrown in for good measure)

 

[Red Rick]

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Im afraid he still is overrated, particularly in the mainstream media - experts and commentators, for example, stating he is the best cyclist of his generation really rubs me the wrong way. He clearly isn't at this moment. But I am glad that he finally abandoned whining and took the bulls by he horns, just like Boonen advised him to.

Who's the best rider of this generation?

Well, I rate all of Contador, Cancellara, Boonen, Nibali, Gilbert and Valverde higher than Sagan.

I think we have different definitions of generations

I definitely rate Contador, Cancellara, Boonen and Nibali higher than Sagan. Valverde probably too.

 

[May0maniac]

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Im afraid he still is overrated, particularly in the mainstream media - experts and commentators, for example, stating he is the best cyclist of his generation really rubs me the wrong way. He clearly isn't at this moment. But I am glad that he finally abandoned whining and took the bulls by he horns, just like Boonen advised him to.

Who's the best rider of this generation?

Well, I rate all of Contador, Cancellara, Boonen, Nibali, Gilbert and Valverde higher than Sagan.

Yes, but they are all way older than Sagan, his generation is probably the guys born around 1990.

 

[BigMac]

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Im afraid he still is overrated, particularly in the mainstream media - experts and commentators, for example, stating he is the best cyclist of his generation really rubs me the wrong way. He clearly isn't at this moment. But I am glad that he finally abandoned whining and took the bulls by he horns, just like Boonen advised him to.

Who's the best rider of this generation?

Well, I rate all of Contador, Cancellara, Boonen, Nibali, Gilbert and Valverde higher than Sagan.

They're all from a different generation, though?

 

[trucido]

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Im afraid he still is overrated, particularly in the mainstream media - experts and commentators, for example, stating he is the best cyclist of his generation really rubs me the wrong way. He clearly isn't at this moment. But I am glad that he finally abandoned whining and took the bulls by he horns, just like Boonen advised him to.

Who's the best rider of this generation?

Well, I rate all of Contador, Cancellara, Boonen, Nibali, Gilbert and Valverde higher than Sagan.

The youngest in your list (Nibali) has like 5-6 years on Sagan, not to mention the others.

 

[tomorrow]

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he is not gonna do LBL and probably wont do amstel ...LBL is too close to california and he needs to be there because of business

He's doing amstell, he ended his interview for Slovak TV, we'll see each other next Sunday during amstel

 

[KGB]

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Isnt he first rider in history to won Roubaix and Ronde in rainbow? Correct me if I am wrong.

Whenever asking if a rider is the first to do something, always check if Merckx did it.

He did. Roubaix in 68 and Flanders in 75.

(With Sanremo in 72 and 75, Liege in 72 and 75 and Lombardy in 71 thrown in for good measure)

In rainbow jersey?

 

[BigMac]

Regardless, I don't rate any of those guys higher than Sagan in terms of natural ability. He was born for this. He's cycling's Messi.

 

[Nirvana]

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Isnt he first rider in history to won Roubaix and Ronde in rainbow? Correct me if I am wrong. If I remember it corectly Boonen won only Flanders in rainbow. But in history maybe someone done it. Anyway I am super happy right now. His biggest win so far. Sagan is building up some great palmares. Ronde, Roubaix,3wc 3x gw, E3, Kuurne, Brabantse pjil, 2x Quebec, Montreal, European road race title. 8 TDF + 4 Vuelta stages. Impressive.

I guess Hinault was first 37yrs. ago.

Hinault never won Ronde.

Merckx won Roubaix in 1968 and Ronde in 1975 as WC.
Van Looy did the double in 1962 (and also won another Roubaix in 1961 as WC).

 

[tobydawq]

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Im afraid he still is overrated, particularly in the mainstream media - experts and commentators, for example, stating he is the best cyclist of his generation really rubs me the wrong way. He clearly isn't at this moment. But I am glad that he finally abandoned whining and took the bulls by he horns, just like Boonen advised him to.

Who's the best rider of this generation?

Well, I rate all of Contador, Cancellara, Boonen, Nibali, Gilbert and Valverde higher than Sagan.

Really?

Already for a few years, I have been thinking that Sagan is the best.

But then again, I already thought after PN 2010 that he would become the best rider in history. Which he might become if he isn't already. Which is a discussion I shall not delve into at the moment.

 

[SKSemtex]

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Im afraid he still is overrated, particularly in the mainstream media - experts and commentators, for example, stating he is the best cyclist of his generation really rubs me the wrong way. He clearly isn't at this moment. But I am glad that he finally abandoned whining and took the bulls by he horns, just like Boonen advised him to.

Yes, we got it. he will stop be overrated only if he smokes PITI on Mur de Huy or win GT.

 

[Parker]

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Isnt he first rider in history to won Roubaix and Ronde in rainbow? Correct me if I am wrong.

Whenever asking if a rider is the first to do something, always check if Merckx did it.

He did. Roubaix in 68 and Flanders in 75.

(With Sanremo in 72 and 75, Liege in 72 and 75 and Lombardy in 71 thrown in for good measure)

In rainbow jersey?

Yes.

And Rik van Looy did the Flanders/Roubaix double in the jersey.

 

[Valv.Piti]

Right, I phrased it the wrong way... I meant some considered him better than all of those riders, scrap the generation-thing. And I really don't agree with that! I have no clue to why I wrote that.

In his generation he definitely is the best, but riders around his age probably aren't that great anyways - I suppose Quintana is the rider that comes the closest of those? A

 

[tobydawq]

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Right, I phrased it the wrong way... I meant some considered him better than all of those riders, scrap the generation-thing. And I really don't agree with that! I have no clue to why I wrote that.

In his generation he definitely is the best, but riders around his age probably aren't that great anyways - I suppose Quintana is the rider that comes the closest of those? A

What?? The 1990 generation must surely be the strongest of all time... Definitely the deepest.

Quintana, Kwiatkowski, Aru, Pinot, Bardet, Dumoulin, Chaves, Matthews, Felline, Naesen, Bonhauui, Dillier, Colbrelli, Phinney, Dennis, Bennetts...