Teams & Riders Peter Sagan discussion thread.

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Red Rick said:
Very easy to ride cool when you're not in contention for GC and you can waste energy without consequence. It's not comparable.

It's funny to argue about riding style considering the vast majority of Sagan's wins are sprints.
The majority of his wins are sprints, because he is a top class sprinter able to beat the fastest of the fast on his day.

However, despite that, we still see him attacking again and again in race after race. He is frequently the fastest sprinter in a breakaway, yet he’ll still attack.

Any rider who only had Sagan’s wins from solos or 2-up sprints (ie, 1 Worlds, Flanders and Roubaix, plus a few others) would be seen as one of the top riders of his generation. Sagan has that, and several group and bunch sprints (his other 2 WC titles and most of his GT stages) to his name.
 
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Leinster said:
Red Rick said:
Very easy to ride cool when you're not in contention for GC and you can waste energy without consequence. It's not comparable.

It's funny to argue about riding style considering the vast majority of Sagan's wins are sprints.
The majority of his wins are sprints, because he is a top class sprinter able to beat the fastest of the fast on his day.

However, despite that, we still see him attacking again and again in race after race. He is frequently the fastest sprinter in a breakaway, yet he’ll still attack.

Any rider who only had Sagan’s wins from solos or 2-up sprints (ie, 1 Worlds, Flanders and Roubaix, plus a few others) would be seen as one of the top riders of his generation. Sagan has that, and several group and bunch sprints (his other 2 WC titles and most of his GT stages) to his name.

Among which big one day races such as Gent-Wevelgem and GP Montréal.

I really have no clue why Red Rick is acting like Sagan is just some ordinary sprinter and couldn't agree more with your post.
 
According to tabloid roomers in Slovak paper yesterday Sagan apparently lost 7kg from 80 to 73kg. This was stated by a former professional cyclist Milan Dvorscik, the article speculates his break up with his wife and son might be a factor in all of this. The newspaper is usually Daily Mail style junk.

I have no idea what was his weight last year, but if 7kg is true then he may have targeted back end of spring classics rather then Belgian races, but I doubt it. Here is link in SK language:
https://www.cas.sk/clanok/824901/sagan-vyrazne-schudol-a-stratil-formu-dobehli-ho-osobne-trapenia/
 
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virenque216 said:
According to tabloid roomers in Slovak paper yesterday Sagan apparently lost 7kg from 80 to 73kg. This was stated by a former professional cyclist Milan Dvorscik, the article speculates his break up with his wife and son might be a factor in all of this. The newspaper is usually Daily Mail style junk.

I have no idea what was his weight last year, but if 7kg is true then he may have targeted back end of spring classics rather then Belgian races, but I doubt it. Here is link in SK language:
https://www.cas.sk/clanok/824901/sagan-vyrazne-schudol-a-stratil-formu-dobehli-ho-osobne-trapenia/

Well, Dvorscik likes to speculate too much about the things he has no clue about. He also said in this article that after the loss of weight Sagan may think about winning the tour in 2 or 3 years which is bulls***.
 
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Well, Dvorscik likes to speculate too much about the things he has no clue about. He also said in this article that after the loss of weight Sagan may think about winning the tour in 2 or 3 years which is bulls***.[/quote]


I didn't even feel necessary to mention that Dvorscik fantasy about Sagan winning the Tour in 2-3 years. Though I would be curious to hear from Sagan himself if he lost that amount of weight and why, maybe because of illness or intentionally.
 
That loss of weight partly due to illness coincided with extra training at altitude instead of his usual early spring campaign, which would support some notion of being lighter with LBL in mind and now that 7kg being mentioned opens up more questions. If that was lost due to illness so quickly then no wonder why he lacks his usual acceleration and may not get his form back until summer
 
RedRick is correct. These guys only hit a true 100% a few times per year, but its impossible to be at your best on a given day if your mind isn't good. If you toss in being sick and losing weight, his racing has actually been impressive.
 
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yaco said:
I question whether Sagan has been at the same level since his crash in stage 17 of the 2018 TDF - Could there be some lingering issues from the crash !

Possibly.

He did had that virus at a crucial period before the build-up to this classics season. He was out for a week or two. He apparently lost some weight because of it. That could explain not really being at his best in the last month. Even though he have made the final selection in these races, others have simply been stronger and better. I also think going to both TDU and San Juan might not have been ideal either in the start of the season.

He will be motivated today, but like he said in the interview... You need some luck in PR because it is unpredictable and a crash and mechanical could happen at any time. Hope he has a good race.
 
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Hm, so this is the 2015 edition of Sagan - there at the front at the crucial moments, but bonking in the last 20km.
Clearly missing some kilos/endurance ... maybe that sickness, maybe different training. Personal issues probably do not help.

Still, he did all the right things, just the legs were not there ... unlike GVA.

Together with Gilbert and Politt, he contributed the most to the decisive split.
 
About the personal issues, shouldn't it be more for last year? Last spring could probably be the worst time of his life and he won Roubaix. I don't really follow riders' personal stories, so maybe I get it wrong.
 
I think today's sudden turn-off was due to lack of sugar. Simple as that. He went from looking like his usual self which he hasn't done previously in this season to not being able to follow Lampaert on flat, un-cobbled roads.

I was very happy to see him do as well as he did most of the day. He exceeded my expectations but of course it's disappointing to see him die like that. Luckily he just managed to hang on to 5th.
 
DonEsteban said:
Hm, so this is the 2015 edition of Sagan - there at the front at the crucial moments, but bonking in the last 20km.
Clearly missing some kilos/endurance ... maybe that sickness, maybe different training. Personal issues probably do not help.

Still, he did all the right things, just the legs were not there ... unlike GVA.

Together with Gilbert and Politt, he contributed the most to the decisive split.

Yeah, he was always present where he was supposed to today and did what he should, but he just didn't have the fuel (or power).
 
gunara said:
About the personal issues, shouldn't it be more for last year? Last spring could probably be the worst time of his life and he won Roubaix. I don't really follow riders' personal stories, so maybe I get it wrong.


is takes time for the enormity of the situation to sink in ...Sometimes one feels 'happy' with the decision but as times goes by one can feel a 'failure' or if one has made a mistake, etc

For me Sagan is probably the most gifted rider in that last 10 years but not the best ,,,The best for me is the one who fights and fights and never gives up as well as having talent ...I feel sometimes Sagan has relied on his abilities and hasnt had to overcome adversity the same as some others. That it might have come too easy

I prefer Boonen & Gilbert, Contador & Cancelera as top riders in the last 10 /15year
 
HelloDolly said:
For me Sagan is probably the most gifted rider in that last 10 years but not the best
Could not agree more. Despite his three WC wins, two monuments and countless stages and green jerseys he's still somewhat of an underachiever. How he hasn't won a single MSR despite being top favorite for most of the ones he's entered is beyond me.
 
jsem94 said:
HelloDolly said:
For me Sagan is probably the most gifted rider in that last 10 years but not the best
Could not agree more. Despite his three WC wins, two monuments and countless stages and green jerseys he's still somewhat of an underachiever. How he hasn't won a single MSR despite being top favorite for most of the ones he's entered is beyond me.
Well there's definitely a reason Milano Sanremo is known as the lottery of one day races.

I am not so sure how I should rate Sagan. Definitely think he has overachieved at the Worlds for example, and I don't think he's as gifted as Boonen or Cancellara on the cobbles, and he's also had weaker teams in those races, especially compared to Boonen.

Seeing him in the Ardennes should be very interesting, though I'm not quite sure riding Roubaix will help him. Still think he is too big for those races if I were to take Kwiatkowski as a reference.
 
Red Rick said:
jsem94 said:
HelloDolly said:
For me Sagan is probably the most gifted rider in that last 10 years but not the best
Could not agree more. Despite his three WC wins, two monuments and countless stages and green jerseys he's still somewhat of an underachiever. How he hasn't won a single MSR despite being top favorite for most of the ones he's entered is beyond me.
Well there's definitely a reason Milano Sanremo is known as the lottery of one day races.

I am not so sure how I should rate Sagan. Definitely think he has overachieved at the Worlds for example, and I don't think he's as gifted as Boonen or Cancellara on the cobbles, and he's also had weaker teams in those races, especially compared to Boonen.

Seeing him in the Ardennes should be very interesting, though I'm not quite sure riding Roubaix will help him. Still think he is too big for those races if I were to take Kwiatkowski as a reference.

He can do well at Amstel and under the right circumstances can win Amstel. Fleche Wallone and LBL I don't think he is a good enough climber to be in the mix. I still Valverde has a better chance to win Flanders than Sagan will ever have to win LBL. As I said I do think Sagan can win Amstel if he targets it.