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SHAD0W93 said:
rick james said:
SHAD0W93 said:
I think it is perfectly fair to criticize him because he is constantly stating he wants to fight dopers or people he thinks cheats. If he is actually cheating himself that makes him a hypocrite.

but you don't know that, like most things in here, its all guess work
I know that but it was in response to the post above stating he doesn't know why people will criticize Phil. As of now he is innocent but people are entitled to criticize him based on their opinion they believe he is cheating even though he is against it.

you understand he's not a Pro cyclist so he can do whatever he wants?
 
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rick james said:
SHAD0W93 said:
rick james said:
SHAD0W93 said:
I think it is perfectly fair to criticize him because he is constantly stating he wants to fight dopers or people he thinks cheats. If he is actually cheating himself that makes him a hypocrite.

but you don't know that, like most things in here, its all guess work
I know that but it was in response to the post above stating he doesn't know why people will criticize Phil. As of now he is innocent but people are entitled to criticize him based on their opinion they believe he is cheating even though he is against it.

you understand he's not a Pro cyclist so he can do whatever he wants?
Do you undertand that he is calling out people as dopers and cheaters? That by doing so and if he is doing the same thing as them that makes him a hypocrite.
 
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hrotha said:
He's not doing the same thing unless he's competing, though. Doping by definition requires anti-doping rules. If none apply to him, he's not doping.
Maybe I'm out of touch but wouldn't that still be the same thing if he was racing or not even though the only body that will test him is of his own doing? If any pro uses a drug that is considered doping and some random joe uses it to boost their performance, does that not equal the same result besides he is not competing.
 
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SHAD0W93 said:
hrotha said:
He's not doing the same thing unless he's competing, though. Doping by definition requires anti-doping rules. If none apply to him, he's not doping.
Maybe I'm out of touch but wouldn't that still be the same thing if he was racing or not even though the only body that will test him is of his own doing? If any pro uses a drug that is considered doping and some random joe uses it to boost their performance, does that not equal the same result besides he is not competing.
It's completely different - I'm surprised you would think otherwise.
 
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SHAD0W93 said:
hrotha said:
He's not doing the same thing unless he's competing, though. Doping by definition requires anti-doping rules. If none apply to him, he's not doping.
Maybe I'm out of touch but wouldn't that still be the same thing if he was racing or not even though the only body that will test him is of his own doing? If any pro uses a drug that is considered doping and some random joe uses it to boost their performance, does that not equal the same result besides he is not competing.
Ask Durianrider.
He s the amateur past or present doper who started this thread.
Guy made quote friends with Phil and proceeded to make a video during which he was dropped like a rock on a climb in Australia and claimed his buddy is on the juice.
 
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hrotha said:
He's not doing the same thing unless he's competing, though. Doping by definition requires anti-doping rules. If none apply to him, he's not doping.
If my training partner is taking EPO and testosterone, he's doping. It's certainly against zero rules, but it's still doping.
 
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red_flanders said:
hrotha said:
He's not doing the same thing unless he's competing, though. Doping by definition requires anti-doping rules. If none apply to him, he's not doping.
If my training partner is taking EPO and testosterone, he's doping. It's certainly against zero rules, but it's still doping.
He's taking PEDs and being a tool. He's not doping or robbing you of your livelihood.
 
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hrotha said:
red_flanders said:
hrotha said:
He's not doing the same thing unless he's competing, though. Doping by definition requires anti-doping rules. If none apply to him, he's not doping.
If my training partner is taking EPO and testosterone, he's doping. It's certainly against zero rules, but it's still doping.
He's taking PEDs and being a tool. He's not doping or robbing you of your livelihood.
Cheating is cheating to me. Robbing you? Pro cyclists can surely go get another job. If you cheat you're a scumbag one way or the other.
 
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nayr497 said:
hrotha said:
red_flanders said:
hrotha said:
He's not doing the same thing unless he's competing, though. Doping by definition requires anti-doping rules. If none apply to him, he's not doping.
If my training partner is taking EPO and testosterone, he's doping. It's certainly against zero rules, but it's still doping.
He's taking PEDs and being a tool. He's not doping or robbing you of your livelihood.
Cheating is cheating to me. Robbing you? Pro cyclists can surely go get another job. If you cheat you're a scumbag one way or the other.
I agree more with Hrotha because the way it bothers people is an unspoken rule of 'fair play' - it's unfair, but it's not doping because:
(1) first it has to be a competition. Do you compete with your training partner in some aspect
(2) there have to be rules to your competition

Does your training partner use performance-enhancing drugs with the intent of competing in sanctioned sports events... then it's doping with respect to someone else's set of rules. The moment I sign for my cycling racing license, then it would become doping, regardless of intent - and regardless of whether I race or not. Because the license can be revoked by the cycling federation. I sign a written contract saying I can't take drugs or they can take away the license
 
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hrotha said:
He's not doing the same thing unless he's competing, though. Doping by definition requires anti-doping rules. If none apply to him, he's not doping.
what do you think phil would say if I straight up asked him if he was using PEDs? He's at least a liar who stakes his entire livelihood on a lie, if nothing else.
 
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proffate said:
what do you think phil would say if I straight up asked him if he was using PEDs? He's at least a liar who stakes his entire livelihood on a lie, if nothing else.
Yes, in a way Gaimon participated in a charade, whether the 'Mr. Clean' tattoo on his arm is true or not. Like you said because:
  • Gaimon's salary depended on sponsorships
    Sponsorships depend on a cycling team's race results
    Race results in many of Gaimon's events depended on doping.
    Gaimon was domestique for Clasicómano Luigi, that speaks for itself
 
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hrotha said:
red_flanders said:
hrotha said:
He's not doing the same thing unless he's competing, though. Doping by definition requires anti-doping rules. If none apply to him, he's not doping.
If my training partner is taking EPO and testosterone, he's doping. It's certainly against zero rules, but it's still doping.
He's taking PEDs and being a tool. He's not doping or robbing you of your livelihood.
No, he's certainly not robbing me or anyone. But he's doping. He's taking dope to enhance his performance.

What it isn't is cheating or robbing.
 
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proffate said:
.Froomestrong. said:
I dont "know" that Phil is clean, but I can suggest that there is absolutely nothing for him to gain by doping now. No one cares if he gets KoM's, and his income isnt dependent on it.
same argument applies to masters racers, who we all know as a general rule are clean as a whistle!
OK, I hear your tongue-in-cheek and raise you: master riders aren't doping to win, they are just trying to improve their quality of life! :rolleyes: :lol:
 


474w for 11.5 minutes at 66kg...

Recently on instagram he got caught out for lying about the fact he rides an open mold bike from http://www.lightcarbon.com. The model is the LCR007v and he tried to make a few of his fans feel guility for pointing that out. He said they were trolls and lying to get some fame. Google images clearly shows us that the LCR007v is indeed the very same frameset that he rides. It is made by lightcarbon.com in Xaimen China and sold to a few different western brands who add on a few grand to the rrp.

So he lied about his chinese open mould bike so why not lie about other stuff that is easier to hide? I used to think he was sort of ok, just another fake LA type personality but now I don't rate him half a banana peel.
 
@durianrider
I could be way off base, but at this point I think people are more interested in your obsession with Gaimon rather than whether or not he is on the gear.
Did he bang your wife or girlfriend (qm)
Any theories I have for your obsession will remain undisclosed because I am not a doctor, and it would be unfair to speculate.
Just one question: You have admitted in the past you used steroids out of competition because you were curious to feel the results. Fair enough.
Why are you on this mission to expose an ex-pro who is trying to make a living riding his bike wearing a cookie uniform (qm)
Oh yeah, just as an aside, a couple years ago you said you would give anyone 10 thousand dollars if they could make you a better person. You were adamant, so I took you up on the offer. I mean, even if I wasn't successful we would have spent a couple days riding, shooting the schit, eating some mangoes and drinking Sprite; so it seemed like a win win situation in that no one would lose.
But you didn't respond. Sigh.
 
the delgados said:
@durianrider
I could be way off base, but at this point I think people are more interested in your obsession with Gaimon rather than whether or not he is on the gear.
Did he bang your wife or girlfriend (qm)
Any theories I have for your obsession will remain undisclosed because I am not a doctor, and it would be unfair to speculate.
Just one question: You have admitted in the past you used steroids out of competition because you were curious to feel the results. Fair enough.
Why are you on this mission to expose an ex-pro who is trying to make a living riding his bike wearing a cookie uniform (qm)
Oh yeah, just as an aside, a couple years ago you said you would give anyone 10 thousand dollars if they could make you a better person. You were adamant, so I took you up on the offer. I mean, even if I wasn't successful we would have spent a couple days riding, shooting the schit, eating some mangoes and drinking Sprite; so it seemed like a win win situation in that no one would lose.
But you didn't respond. Sigh.
Why is he so obsessed about Thorfin Sassquatch? I talk with Thorfin and he says he has never even met Phil but cookie man went on this incredible tirade of slander against him.

Ive ridden with Phil and seen his mutant watts first hand. Ive never seen anything like it and Ive ridden hard rides with many pro's over the last 20 years from Lance to Cadel to Froome and Valverde. Hard rides, not beach cruises. Rides so hard I wasnt the first person to get dropped, team riders got dropped because they were out of condition or couldnt be assed riding so hard. Ive taken PED's before out of competition and know what is natural and what is not. You can see it in peoples legs. Ive got a couple of friends who have used EPO and didn't tell me until after I called them out on it privately. If it looks too good to be true then it is regarding performances.


I just find it really curious how a guy with a soap bar tattoo is riding EPO watts per kg and flipping off so hard at anyone who points out the obvious when he has made his new career on being the 'call out guy'. I find it all interesting and after he insulted me publicaly for asking him private questions I guess Ive slipped into a WWE style banter match.

Cookie man didn't score anyone I know. The chicks I know wouldn't find a guy with arms skinny than theirs attractive. Each to their own though.

Natasha told me if I got as skinny cookie man then Im sleeping on the sofa lol.

This is my gf Natasha.
https://www.instagram.com/p/Bvxo_jFlCde/

PS the 10k offer still stands for anyone who could transform my life to something radically better than it is today. I don't see how that is possible though. Can you think how it could be better?
 
durianrider said:
PS the 10k offer still stands for anyone who could transform my life to something radically better than it is today. I don't see how that is possible though. Can you think how it could be better?
Spend less time having idiotic squabbles on the internet? Going out on a limb...

Definitely your gf is smoking hot. Kudos.
 
durianrider said:
the delgados said:
@durianrider
I could be way off base, but at this point I think people are more interested in your obsession with Gaimon rather than whether or not he is on the gear.
Did he bang your wife or girlfriend (qm)
Any theories I have for your obsession will remain undisclosed because I am not a doctor, and it would be unfair to speculate.
Just one question: You have admitted in the past you used steroids out of competition because you were curious to feel the results. Fair enough.
Why are you on this mission to expose an ex-pro who is trying to make a living riding his bike wearing a cookie uniform (qm)
Oh yeah, just as an aside, a couple years ago you said you would give anyone 10 thousand dollars if they could make you a better person. You were adamant, so I took you up on the offer. I mean, even if I wasn't successful we would have spent a couple days riding, shooting the schit, eating some mangoes and drinking Sprite; so it seemed like a win win situation in that no one would lose.
But you didn't respond. Sigh.
Why is he so obsessed about Thorfin Sassquatch? I talk with Thorfin and he says he has never even met Phil but cookie man went on this incredible tirade of slander against him.

Ive ridden with Phil and seen his mutant watts first hand. Ive never seen anything like it and Ive ridden hard rides with many pro's over the last 20 years from Lance to Cadel to Froome and Valverde. Hard rides, not beach cruises. Rides so hard I wasnt the first person to get dropped, team riders got dropped because they were out of condition or couldnt be assed riding so hard. Ive taken PED's before out of competition and know what is natural and what is not. You can see it in peoples legs. Ive got a couple of friends who have used EPO and didn't tell me until after I called them out on it privately. If it looks too good to be true then it is regarding performances.


I just find it really curious how a guy with a soap bar tattoo is riding EPO watts per kg and flipping off so hard at anyone who points out the obvious when he has made his new career on being the 'call out guy'. I find it all interesting and after he insulted me publicaly for asking him private questions I guess Ive slipped into a WWE style banter match.

Cookie man didn't score anyone I know. The chicks I know wouldn't find a guy with arms skinny than theirs attractive. Each to their own though.

Natasha told me if I got as skinny cookie man then Im sleeping on the sofa lol.

This is my gf Natasha.
https://www.instagram.com/p/Bvxo_jFlCde/

PS the 10k offer still stands for anyone who could transform my life to something radically better than it is today. I don't see how that is possible though. Can you think how it could be better?

You said you d float 10 grand to anyone who could make you a better person.
Send me ten grand and you will be considered the best person ever.
 

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