Playing God: Eufemiano Fuentes

[Gregga]

"Only"? It was viewed as a big success at the time. Remember where he came from.

You're right, I just meant the 13 guys faster than him were probably taking the same stuff, which is quite frightening. According to Matte Rendell, this ultimate season killed him, as he really needed to stop cycling to treat his cocaine addiction.

 

[airstream]

And I still wonder were Vino is hidden in all that mess !

I'm afraid Vino's and spaniards' docs already visited a furnace.

 

[roundabout]

You're right, I just meant the 13 guys faster than him were probably taking the same stuff, which is quite frightening. According to Matte Rendell, this ultimate season killed him, as he really needed to stop cycling to treat his cocaine addiction.

Makes you wonder what pre June 5th 1999 Pantani was on.

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

And I still wonder were Vino is hidden in all that mess !

Vino is not there I am afraid. How many schumi clients have been indicated at Puerto?

Makes you wonder what pre June 5th 1999 Pantani was on.

The same minus the transfusions I assume, only he wasn't killing his body with la coca at that time.

 

[Gregga]

Vino is not there I am afraid. How many schumi clients have been indicated at Puerto?

Hamilton reported Vino as one of Fuentes' clients in his book, according to him Fuentes was gentleman enough to share his brand new freezer between the top riders, Birillio, Vino, Ullrich and Hamilton. Seems Ferrari was the adviser on blood doping, not the operator.

The same minus the transfusions I assume, only he wasn't killing his body with la coca at that time.

Sure cocaine began destroying his lungs and heart since 2001. To explain the 52% Hct in Madonna di Campiglio, Matt Rendell made the hypothesis Pantani had a transfusion during the '99 Giro. We'll never know, but in 2000 he had sudden peaks of W/kg more consistent with transfusions than EPO (at the end of the Giro and in Briancon/Courchevel/Morzine in the Tour)

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

Sure cocaine began destroying his lungs and heart since 2001. To explain the 52% Hct in Madonna di Campiglio, Matt Rendell made the hypothesis Pantani had a transfusion during the '99 Giro. We'll never know, but in 2000 he had sudden peaks of W/kg more consistent with transfusions than EPO (at the end of the Giro and in Briancon/Courchevel/Morzine in the Tour)

Like this one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4QALgx0XdE

WTF was Lanfranchi on...
Simoni? Casagrande?

Got to re read the Rendell book, do not remember the hypothesis on Campiglio to be fair. And yes, still a hypothesis. There are so many of those.

On the sudden rise in the Tour you might be right, on the other hand, he totally blew up on the way to Morzine. I remember he looked like an old man on the lower slopes on the Ventoux for example.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLH2sVcchcw
At least we know what dopestrong was on, a laughable action to show his 'force'.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8O3Mwz8VKws
It is fair to say Pantani got a free pass, minute fifteen and further.
Now, when did Heras go to USPS...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLuk054z3ao
And there is Heras again. To stay on Puerto topic...
Question, where did Virenque get his blood?

 

[sniper]

New documents identify Marta "Galgo" Dominguez as Fuentes client from 1997 (when she was 22 years old) onwards.

“¿Cómo me voy a dopar?”, se preguntaba Domínguez, que nunca ha dado positivo, en una entrevista televisiva, “si paso prácticamente un control diario”.

http://deportes.elpais.com/deportes/2013/02/16/actualidad/1361037817_310005.html

Article is interesting, as it details how Marta Dominguez can be identified, including through the name of her dog.

y como confesaron Basso y Jaksche a la juez de Puerto recientemente, Fuentes usaba el nombre de los perros de sus clientes como código para las bolsas de sangre

 

[sniper]

After the 'closure' of Operation Galgo in 2012, Dominguez was elected "senadora" of the Partido Popular in Palencia.

 

[Benotti69]

New documents identify Marta "Galgo" Dominguez as Fuentes client from 1997 (when she was 22 years old) onwards.
http://deportes.elpais.com/deportes/2013/02/16/actualidad/1361037817_310005.html

Article is interesting, as it details how Marta Dominguez can be identified, including through the name of her dog.

This demonstrates to me that people will dope no matter what, whether their sport is a wealthy one or not.

The argument that the women's peloton dont dope becuase there is no money in the sport is nonsense.

 

[roundabout]

I think Fuentes had been working with the athletics team in the 80's and probably up to Barcelona games.

Who knows if that was more of a federation thing than an own decision by Dominguez to go to him.

 

[the asian]

This demonstrates to me that people will dope no matter what, whether their sport is a wealthy one or not.

The argument that the women's peloton dont dope becuase there is no money in the sport is nonsense.

People will dope regardless of the levels they compete or the money earning potential of their sport, but the degree of sophistication of the doping program depends on the $$$.

 

[airstream]

I'm rather surprised that Ufe himself is not a goverment member at least on a regional level. Pf, Marta Dominguez?! Fuentes' role is far mor significant.

 

[Bobito_B]

After the 'closure' of Operation Galgo in 2012, Dominguez was elected "senadora" of the Partido Popular in Palencia.

In Spain one votes for a party. The party gets a number of seats in the Senate according to how many votes it gets. Marta Dominguez was on the list, but that doesn't mean anybody was really voting for her. In any case the Spanish senate is an ornamental body, and nobody really knows what it does, which in any case is not much.

What is true is that the Partido Popular is full of corrupt mafiosos, so Marta should feel right at home.

 

[rata de sentina]

Perjury doesn't seem to be punished by the Spanish legal system, alas. Already a number have been caught out lying through their teeth not the least of whom is Fuentes and yet they all seem remarkably sanguine about it. Doesn't bode well for this trial when people on the stand can lie with impunity. The frank admissions of some make a stark contrast with others.

 

[D-Queued]

This demonstrates to me that people will dope no matter what, whether their sport is a wealthy one or not.

The argument that the women's peloton dont dope becuase there is no money in the sport is nonsense.

Unless you are a doping woman. Then, you lead with your best argument.

Dave.

 

[sniper]

Perjury doesn't seem to be punished by the Spanish legal system, alas. Already a number have been caught out lying through their teeth not the least of whom is Fuentes and yet they all seem remarkably sanguine about it. Doesn't bode well for this trial when people on the stand can lie with impunity. The frank admissions of some make a stark contrast with others.

+1

Spain seem to have different standards. This article claims that the Puerto trial restores Spain's credibility in the fight against doping.
http://deportes.elpais.com/deportes/2013/02/17/actualidad/1361132686_627702.html

 

[sniper]

pressure on Odriozola, president of Spanish Athletics Federation (FAE), who defended Domínguez during Operación Galgo (2010/11).

http://deportes.elpais.com/deportes/2013/02/17/actualidad/1361128409_742332.html

 

[JimmyFingers]

Are there any other names apart from cyclists emerging yet? Otherwise cycling will be the sacrificial lamb and the rest will be covered up

 

[wirral]

The story that VN has just put up in which "The head of Spain’s anti-doping agency has vowed that body will do its utmost to use the evidence gathered as part of Operacion Puerto to pursue cases once the current legal trial finishes." boggles my mind. 6 years later and they promise action. Any way, seems they are under some pressure from WADA.

http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/13970/Spanish-anti-doping-chief-promises-to-try-to-identify-Operacion-Puerto-clients-after-trial-ends.aspx

 

[wirral]

“When the trial finishes, this is not over. We will go to work,” vowed Ana Munoz, the head of Spain's anti-doping agency,

"We expect to have some closure by 2038 just before all the athletes get their old age pensions."

[The second quote is not real. It is my joke. (But it might end up being real)]

 

[hrotha]

The story that VN has just put up in which "The head of Spain’s anti-doping agency has vowed that body will do its utmost to use the evidence gathered as part of Operacion Puerto to pursue cases once the current legal trial finishes." boggles my mind. 6 years later and they promise action. Any way, seems they are under some pressure from WADA.

http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/13970/Spanish-anti-doping-chief-promises-to-try-to-identify-Operacion-Puerto-clients-after-trial-ends.aspx

The head of the Spanish Anti-Doping Agency, Ana Muñoz, has been in charge for less than a year. So far she's talked the talk - after the Puerto trial she'll have her first chance to truly walk the walk.

 

[wirral]

I thought that might be the case. Who was in charge for the last 5 years? Presumably, SADA (?) said they could not do anything during that period as it was sub judice.

 

[Descender]

I'm not holding my breath.

If, and that's a big if, Muñoz is really determined to go for it, she will be stopped soon enough.

 

[Descender]

Atletico de Madrid, the football team, is being linked to OP by a well-known Spanish blogger.

He includes a page from the OP files where the word ATLETI (the colloquial term for the team in Spain) can be clearly read, despite the Guardia Civil's rather clumsy habit of placing their seal in the most interesting places.

BUT, it might just refer to Atletismo (athletics/track & field). The amount of BBs and money is quite high though for a sport like that. Who knows...

http://ciclismo2005.blogspot.com.es/

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-hxRGerPUfHY/USFZlGSBYoI/AAAAAAAADTQ/NGZviiwyZlM/s1600/Tomo+IV+113.jpg

 

[hrotha]

I'm not holding my breath.

If, and that's a big if, Muñoz is really determined to go for it, she will be stopped soon enough.

I agree. If she's serious, she'll be sacked or she'll resign.

That would be nice. "I'm resigning because they won't let me do my job because they're protecting the cheaters. Goodbye".